THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 8

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THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 8

After I believed in Jesus the Holy Spirit led me to study only the scriptures and wait for the Holy Spirit to give me insight into the scriptures I didn’t understand. One day after I read Dan 8, while I was watching the news about the Persian Gulf War Jesus revealed to me that this war was part of the fulfillment of Daniel 8. Shortly afterwards, Jesus revealed to me that the Iran Iraq war, which began in 1980, marked the beginning of the vision found in Daniel 8.

According to Dan 8:3 and 20 Daniel saw a ram with two horns and that the longer of the two horns came up last. The angel told Daniel in verse 20 below that the two horns represented the kings of Media and Persia. Jesus revealed to me that the fulfillment of the first horn to arise was Ayatollah Komeini of Iran or Persia. The second longer horn that came up last was Saddam Hussein of Iraq or Media.
Dan. 8:3 Then I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a ram which had two horns was standing in front of the canal. Now the two horns were long, but one was longer than the other, with the longer one coming up last.
Dan 8:20 "The ram which you saw with the two horns represents the kings of Media and Persia.


According to Daniel 8:4 Daniel saw the two horns butting northward, southward and westward and there was no nation around them that could stop them. During the war the ram butted northward when Saddam put down the rebellious Kurds in the north several times. The ram initially butted southward when Ayatollah Komeini and Saddam Hussein sank oil tankers destined for Saudi Arabia. During one of these missions King Fahd of Saudi Arabia shot down one of Ayatollah Komeini’s planes. The ram also butted southward when Ayatollah Komeini sent a suicide truck bomber into Kuwait. The ram butted westward when Saddam Hussein began launching Scud missiles into Israel after the Iran Iraq War ended and the Persian Gulf War started.
Dan 8:4 I saw the ram butting westward, northward, and southward, and no other beasts could stand before him, nor was there anyone to rescue from his power; but he did as he pleased and magnified himself.

When Saddam Hussein and Ayatollah Khomeini began shooting missiles into each others populated cities the UN stepped in and put and end to the Iran Iraq War in 1988.

Then, in August of 1990 the ram butted southward again when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

Then, according to Dan 8:5 Daniel saw a Shaggy goat, which Jesus revealed to me was the USA, coming from the west, covering the whole earth, which symbolized that the entire world was outraged at Saddam Hussein for invading Kuwait and supported the US led 34 nation coalition that formed to drive Saddam out of Kuwait. Daniel saw the Shaggy goat coming without touching the ground, which symbolized the 99% of the Persian Gulf War that took place through the air. The remainder of the time was spent processing the Iraqi soldiers that surrendered because of the bombing campaigns and pinpoint missile attacks. The large conspicuous horn between the Shaggy goats eyes symbolized Saudi Arabia, which was depicted as conspicuous because everyone wondered why the Muslim nation of Saudi Arabia allowed the USA, a nonMuslim nation, to help them defend themselves against a fellow Muslim nation, Iraq.
Dan 8:5 While I was observing, behold, a male goat was coming from the west over the surface of the whole earth without touching the ground; and the goat had a conspicuous horn between his eyes.

According to Dan 8:21 the Shaggy goat was also referred to as the Kingdom of Greece.
Dan 8:21 "And the shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

The USA was symbolically called the Kingdom Greece in Dan 8:21 because it followed the same historical pattern as occurred in Greece after Daniel saw the vision in 559 BC. At the time Daniel saw this vision the Greeks were becoming tired of being ruled by corrupt and oppressive kings and in 506 BC they formed a Democracy. The USA started in a similar way. The Christians were tired of being ruled over by oppressive kings who would not allow them practice Christianity the way they wanted to so they left Europe and sailed to North American and formed a Democracy. After the Greeks formed a Democracy the Democratic city states loosely joined together and threw off their Persian overlords. In the same way, the 13 colonies in North America joined together and threw off their British overlords in the Revolutionary War. After the Greeks threw the Persians out they entered into the 50 years Golden Age of Greece. In the same way, after the 13 colonies drove the British out the US entered into a golden age. Then, just as humanism crept into Greece during its golden age humanism entered into the USA after the British were driven out. At the end of the Golden Age in Greece democracy was overthrown. In the same way, the Socialists in the Democratic Party and the RINOs are in the process of overthrowing democracy in the USA.

Dan. 8:6-7 depicts the Persian Gulf when it tells us that Daniel saw the Shaggy goat with the large conspicuous horn come up along side the ram with the two and was enraged at the ram and there was nothing that the ram could do and the ram was thrown down in violence.
Dan 8:6 And he came up to the ram that had the two horns, which I had seen standing in front of the canal, and rushed at him in his mighty wrath. 7 And I saw him come beside the ram, and he was enraged at him; and he struck the ram and shattered his two horns, and the ram had no strength to withstand him. So he hurled him to the ground and trampled on him, and there was none to rescue the ram from his power.

In order for Persian Gulf War to qualify as the fulfillment of Dan. 8:6 and 7, Iran had to take part in the Persian Gulf War, because Daniel saw the Shaggy goat come up along side the ram with the two horns. Ayatollah Komeini of Iran took part in the Persian Gulf War when he agreed to supply Saddam Hussein in the event that an embargo was enforced against Iraq and he allowed Iraqi private, commercial and military jets to take refuge in Iran when the Persian Gulf War started. Also, when the USA began bombing Baghdad, the capital of Iraq, Ayatollah Komeini called for suicide terrorist acts against all Americans in the Middle East.

According to Dan 8:8 and 22 Daniel saw that after the war, while the Shaggy goat magnified itself, which was fulfilled by President George Bush Sr. when he held victory parades throughout the USA and he went on a Middle East victory tour, the large conspicuous horn, which I said was Saudi Arabia once already, broke without the authority of the king of that nation and four conspicuous horns or kingdoms began growing towards the four winds of heaven. Jesus did not give me the names of the four horns, but He did reveal to me that they were the conspicuous Muslim kingdoms that began growing throughout the earth after the Persian Gulf War. Based on this revelation I was able to figure out that the horn that broke in the vision was fulfilled by Osama bin Laden, who is from Saudi Arabia, when he revolted against King Fahd for not allowing his Muslim militia to defend Saudi Arabia against Saddam Hussein of Iraq, and without the authority of King Fahd, the four conspicuous Muslim terrorist kingdoms began growing towards the four winds of heaven. As far as I can tell from my research these four kingdoms include al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Hezbollah.
Dan 8:8 Then the male goat magnified himself exceedingly. But as soon as he was mighty, the large horn was broken; and in its place there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.
Dan 8:22 "And the broken horn and the four horns that arose in its place represent four kingdoms which will arise from his nation, although not with his power.


To further tie the four Muslim terrorist organizations to the fulfillment of these scriptures Dan 8:23, 9-12 and 24-25 tell us that when these four conspicuous kingdoms complete their transgressions, which are the terrorist acts that they have been committing since Osama bin Laden revolted against King Fahd, a rather small horn, which is the Antichrist, will arise out of one of these conspicuous kingdoms, remove the regular sacrifice and commit horrors and transgressions until he is destroyed with out human agency. We know that these scriptures are referring to the Antichrist because he is the only person that removes the regular sacrifice, and is destroyed without human agency by Jesus at His coming.
Dan 8:23 "And in the latter period of their rule, When the transgressors have run their course, A king will arise Insolent and skilled in intrigue.
Dan. 8:9 Out of one of them came forth a rather small horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Beautiful Land. 10 It grew up to the host of heaven and caused some of the host and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it trampled them down. 11 It even magnified itself to be equal with the Commander of the host; and it removed the regular sacrifice from Him, and the place of His sanctuary was thrown down. 12 And on account of transgression the host will be given over to the horn along with the regular sacrifice; and it will fling truth to the ground and perform its will and prosper.
Dan 8:24 “His power will be mighty, but not by his own power, And he will destroy to an extraordinary degree and prosper and perform his will; He will destroy mighty men and the holy people. 25 “And through his shrewdness he will cause deceit to succeed by his influence; And he will magnify himself in his heart, And he will destroy many while they are at ease. He will even oppose the Prince of princes, But he will be broken without human agency.


In order to understand another point that the angel told Daniel in the vision in Dan. 8 we have take quick look at the vision that Daniel saw and recorded in Dan. 7. In this vision Daniel saw the fourth beast, which had ten horns and he was told in the vision in Dan 7:24 that the ten horns are a kingdom of ten nations in which ten kings would arise and after the tenth king arises the Antichrist will arise from among them and subdue three of the kings. With this picture in mind we can return to the vision in Dan 8 and see that Dan. 8:21 is telling us that the large conspicuous horn between the shaggy goats eyes, which I said symbolized Saudi Arabia twice so far also symbolized the nation the first of the ten kings will arise within. This means that Saudi Arabia is one of the ten nations that make up ten-nation kingdom found in Dan.7:24.
Dan 8:21 "And the shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

After Jesus revealed this to me I began praying and asking Him which nations make up the other nine nations and who are the kings. Then in 2006, when I turned on news and they were talking about Hezbollah attacking Israel the Holy Spirit revealed to me that the ten-nation kingdom is made up of those nations that are fighting with Israel. Then Jesus gave me a second insight in the scriptures to show me that it was He who had just given me the first insight. He revealed to me that the nations that make up the ten-nation kingdom have to be those nations that are fighting with Israel because according to Dan 9:27, when the Antichrist emerges on the scene he makes a peace treaty between many nations and Israel and peace treaties are made between nations that are fighting.
Dan 9:27 “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

Then the Holy Spirit gave me the insight that the ten kings that arise with in the ten-nation kingdom are the leaders of the terrorist organizations. The Holy Spirit didn’t give me the names of kings, but He did let me know in my heart that I could figure it out. I knew that Saudi Arabia was one of the ten nations so I began to think about which nations have been fighting with Israel since they became and nation and as far as I can tell the ten-nation kingdom includes Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Qatar.

I then began looking into, which prominent Muslim terrorist leaders might qualify as the ten kings. So far all but two of the prominent Muslim terrorist organization leaders, which include Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon and Khaled Maashal, the leader of Hamas, who has taken refuge in Qatar, have been killed by US drone strikes or old age. And because the scriptures build the picture that all ten kings are alive when the Antichrist emerges from among them, I decided to stop focusing on this, but remain attentive. According to Dan.7:24 after the tenth terrorist king emerges the Antichrist will emerge from among them and when he makes the peace treaty between many nations and Israel he will have to subdue three of the ten Muslim terrorist leaders in order to put it into effect.
Dan. 7:24 ‘As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.

According to Dan. 8:13-14 the length of time the Antichrist will remain on the scene is 2300 days or about 7 years.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” 14 He said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored.”
 

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Dan 8 was fulfilled, as the Scripture itself says, in the ancient kingdoms of Persia, Greece, and Antiochus 4. If you wish to apply these things *in principle* to modern events, that is another thing. But the actual biblical application is to ancient times. Let's be clear about that?
 
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Dan 8 was fulfilled, as the Scripture itself says, in the ancient kingdoms of Persia, Greece, and Antiochus 4. If you wish to apply these things *in principle* to modern events, that is another thing. But the actual biblical application is to ancient times. Let's be clear about that?
According to Dan 8:19 the vision in Dan 8 pertains to the final period of indignation or the end of the end times, which disqualifies the idea that the vision pertains to anything in the BC era.
Dan. 8:19 He said, “Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end.
 
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According to Dan 8:19 the vision in Dan 8 pertains to the final period of indignation or the end of the end times, which disqualifies the idea that the vision pertains to anything in the BC era.
Dan. 8:19 He said, “Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end.
The prophecy in Dan 8 is directly referring to ancient Persia and Greece. I don't know any scholars who would say otherwise. Your claim that the "time of the end" must refer to the endtimes in the modern era therefore is obviously a misapplication of the term.

As I've said many times, words and phrases do not carry a specific context with them. They must be defined by the context in which the terms are used. If I say, it is the time of the end for Queen Elizabeth, the "time of the end" does not refer to the Reign of Antichrist!

Dan 8.20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king.
 
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The prophecy in Dan 8 is directly referring to ancient Persia and Greece. I don't know any scholars who would say otherwise. Your claim that the "time of the end" must refer to the endtimes in the modern era therefore is obviously a misapplication of the term.

As I've said many times, words and phrases do not carry a specific context with them. They must be defined by the context in which the terms are used. If I say, it is the time of the end for Queen Elizabeth, the "time of the end" does not refer to the Reign of Antichrist!

Dan 8.20 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia. 21 The shaggy goat is the king of Greece, and the large horn between its eyes is the first king.
If you took Dan 8:19 into account you would never have claimed the vision pertains to events that occurred before the end of the end times. You obviously completely omitted this scripture and clumsily made up a story about why you think the Shaggy goat was referred to as the Kingdom of Greece, which contradicted the scripture you omitted from your story. What you wrote is best categorized as an academic blunder.
Dan. 8:19 He said, “Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end.
If you took Dan 8:19 into account and you listened to the Holy Spirit you would have arrived at:
According to Dan 8:21 the Shaggy goat was also referred to as the Kingdom of Greece.
Dan 8:21 "And the shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
The USA was symbolically called the Kingdom Greece in Dan 8:21 because it followed the same historical pattern as occurred in Greece after Daniel saw the vision in 559 BC. At the time Daniel saw this vision the Greeks were becoming tired of being ruled by corrupt and oppressive kings and in 506 BC they formed a Democracy. The USA started in a similar way. The Christians were tired of being ruled over by oppressive kings who would not allow them practice Christianity the way they wanted to so they left Europe and sailed to North American and formed a Democracy. After the Greeks formed a Democracy the Democratic city states loosely joined together and threw off their Persian overlords. In the same way, the 13 colonies in North America joined together and threw off their British overlords in the Revolutionary War. After the Greeks threw the Persians out they entered into the 50 years Golden Age of Greece. In the same way, after the 13 colonies drove the British out the US entered into a golden age. Then, just as humanism crept into Greece during its golden age humanism entered into the USA after the British were driven out. At the end of the Golden Age in Greece democracy was overthrown. In the same way, the Socialists in the Democratic Party and the RINOs are in the process of overthrowing democracy in the USA.
 
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Dan 8:21 "And the shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
The USA was symbolically called the Kingdom Greece in Dan 8:21
The USA ? Really, James, that is pretty far fetched.

from the kjv....

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

So you are claiming George Washington as being the great horn ?

The United States is not going to break up into four separate nations.
 
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The USA ? Really, James, that is pretty far fetched.

from the kjv....

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

So you are claiming George Washington as being the great horn ?

The United States is not going to break up into four separate nations.
I reposted what I wrote to correct your perverted view of what I wrote. If you are going to correct what I posted address it head on and tell everyone how the development of the US wasn't like the history of Greece. Also tell everyone how your inaccurate teaching about Alexander the Great's conquest, which occurred before the end times began, fits the fulfillment of Dan 8, which Dan 8:19 tells us is about the final period of indignation in the end times.
According to Dan 8:19 the vision in Dan 8 pertains to the final period of indignation or the end of the end times, which disqualifies Alexander the Great’s conquest because it took place in 331 BC, which is before the end times began.
Dan. 8:19 He said, “Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end.
According to Dan 8:21 the Shaggy goat was also referred to as the Kingdom of Greece.
Dan 8:21 "And the shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

The USA was symbolically called the Kingdom Greece in Dan 8:21 because it followed the same historical pattern as occurred in Greece after Daniel saw the vision in 559 BC. At the time Daniel saw this vision the Greeks were becoming tired of being ruled by corrupt and oppressive kings and in 506 BC they formed a Democracy. The USA started in a similar way. The Christians were tired of being ruled over by oppressive kings who would not allow them practice Christianity the way they wanted to so they left Europe and sailed to North American and formed a Democracy. After the Greeks formed a Democracy the Democratic city states loosely joined together and threw off their Persian overlords. In the same way, the 13 colonies in North America joined together and threw off their British overlords in the Revolutionary War. After the Greeks threw the Persians out they entered into the 50 years Golden Age of Greece. In the same way, after the 13 colonies drove the British out the US entered into a golden age. Then, just as humanism crept into Greece during its golden age humanism entered into the USA after the British were driven out. At the end of the Golden Age in Greece democracy was overthrown. In the same way, the Socialists in the Democratic Party and the RINOs are in the process of overthrowing democracy in the USA.
 
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According to the image shown to Nebuchadnezzer, the 4th kingdom, the one after Greece, is the one which is continuous (The Bible tells you this. ) Rome--that kingdom is mixed with others in the feet of the image.

Alexander is the goat horn, and the four branches were the 4 divisions of Greece after his death.
 
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According to the image shown to Nebuchadnezzer, the 4th kingdom, the one after Greece, is the one which is continuous (The Bible tells you this. ) Rome--that kingdom is mixed with others in the feet of the image.

Alexander is the goat horn, and the four branches were the 4 divisions of Greece after his death.
I agree. It is the last kingdom before the return of the Lord. Revelation has to fit into the last kingdom in Daniel 2 and also Daniel 7. Most modern ideas don't have the kingdom continuing but stop it with the fall of the Roman Empire. Or preterism, well I don't know what they teach about it.
 
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Dan 8 was fulfilled, as the Scripture itself says, in the ancient kingdoms of Persia, Greece, and Antiochus 4. If you wish to apply these things *in principle* to modern events, that is another thing. But the actual biblical application is to ancient times. Let's be clear about that?
Absolutely.
 
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