Iran, wary of wider war, urges its proxies to avoid provoking US

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Iran, eager to disrupt U.S. and Israeli interests in the Middle East but wary of provoking a direct confrontation, is privately urging Hezbollah and other armed groups to exercise restraint against U.S. forces, according to officials in the region.

To emphasize the new directive, Iran has dispatched military leaders and diplomats across the region to meet with local officials and militia members.

“Iran is doing its utmost to prevent the expansion of the war and the escalation from reaching the point of no return,” said an Iraqi official with close ties to Iranian-backed forces there.

U.S. officials say the message might be having some effect. As of Saturday, Iranian-backed militias in Iraq and Syria hadn’t attacked U.S. forces in more than 13 days, an unusual lull since the war in Gazabegan in October. The militants held their fire even after a U.S. drone strike in Baghdad killed a senior Kataib Hezbollah official.

Days after Kataib Hezbollah claimed responsibility for the attack that killed the three U.S. Army reservists, an Iranian military commander landed in Baghdad last month to meet with the group’s leaders. The commander pressured it to issue a statement suspending attacks on U.S. targets.

The leaders were unhappy with the suspension, the Iraqi official said, but acceded to the request of the country that has trained and armed their forces.

Iranian officials met with members of Hezbollah this month in Lebanon. One Hezbollah member summarized Tehran’s message: “We are not keen on giving Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu any reason to launch a wider war on Lebanon or anywhere else.”

One Iranian-backed group has given no indication of standing down. The Houthis in Yemen have disrupted global trade by harassing commercial shipping through the Red Sea
 

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We'll see if the Red Sea trade route normalizes. Hopefully.

...it seems not. US forces conducted strikes this past weekend...including the destruction of an underwater drone - a first by the Houthi's:

CENTCOM successfully conducted strikes against three mobile anti-ship cruise missiles, one unmanned underwater vessel (UUV) and one unmanned surface vessel (USV). It was the first observed Houthi employment of a UUV since attacks began in Oct. 23, according to CENTCOM.

CENTCOM determined the targets presented an imminent threat to U.S. Navy ships and merchant vessels in the region.



And today:

The crew of a cargo ship in the Red Sea was forced to abandon ship Monday night after the Houthi militia hit it with a ballistic missile fired from Yemen, the U.S. military said.

 
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including the destruction of an underwater drone
I didn't know there was such a thing but why not? But it makes sense, lol

"The Iranian-backed Houthis have fired dozens of missiles for weeks at passing ships without inflicting much damage or often missing their targets, an effort aimed at trying to force Israel to abandon its war against Hamas militants in Gaza."

The problem here is that we are using $100 missiles to knock down $10 missiles, and the cost to us the longer this fight goes on. A couple of weeks ago Houthis hit an oil tanker and luckily the warhead didn't go off.
The crew of a cargo ship in the Red Sea
Unfortunately, this cargo is food. We don't have flagged ships in that area we a protecting everyone else.
 
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I didn't know there was such a thing but why not? But it makes sense, lol

I understand underwater drone's are harder to detect than arial drones or missiles and if used together in a coordinated attack, a Navy ship's defenses could be overwhelmed. The Ukranians have demonstrated the power of these weapons against the Russian Navy.
 
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I understand underwater drone's are harder to detect than arial drones or missiles and if used together in a coordinated attack, a Navy ship's defenses could be overwhelmed. The Ukranians have demonstrated the power of these weapons against the Russian Navy.
Couldn't you imagine a torpedo that never misses? Those poor people in subs.
 
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Couldn't you imagine a torpedo that never misses?
Drones aren't "never miss", they are externally controlled. This is true of all the drones (surface, land, air, underwater). They are only as good as their operators and the uplink.
Those poor people in subs.
The resemblance of submarines to underwater coffins is a constant.
 
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Drones aren't "never miss", they are externally controlled. This is true of all the drones (surface, land, air, underwater). They are only as good as their operators and the uplink.

The resemblance of submarines to underwater coffins is a constant.
I wonder how underwater unmanned vehicles would be controlled.
 
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I wonder how underwater unmanned vehicles would be controlled.
I think they mostly operate like a diesel sub with the snorkel above water until it is time to attack. I can't remember if I saw a Ukrainian one or it was a surface drone with an enclosed shell.
 
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Drones aren't "never miss", they are externally controlled. This is true of all the drones (surface, land, air, underwater). They are only as good as their operators and the uplink.
I know because we would have a lot of sunken ships in the Red Sea. I was just thinking of radio-controlled torpedos. Like we have radio control drone toys.
 
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I know because we would have a lot of sunken ships in the Red Sea. I was just thinking of radio-controlled torpedos. Like we have radio control drone toys.

Didn't some torpedoes "fly by wire" (and maybe still do?) Some missiles do like the TOW (the "W" is for wire-guided) missile.
 
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I think they mostly operate like a diesel sub with the snorkel above water until it is time to attack. I can't remember if I saw a Ukrainian one or it was a surface drone with an enclosed shell.
So they get their commands through the snorkel and then execute them automately?
 
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Didn't some torpedoes "fly by wire" (and maybe still do?) Some missiles do like the TOW (the "W" is for wire-guided) missile.
I'm not that smart. I know surface missiles fly by wire. I would have to look it up but my head hurts from answering your other reply.
 
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So they get their commands through the snorkel and then execute them automately?
Probably. Target ID is the final problem. I know it is tricky for cruise missiles w/o uplinks. (Fail safe zones, etc.)
 
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I'm not that smart. I know surface missiles fly by wire. I would have to look it up but my head hurts from answering your other reply.
I was surprised to learn (about a year ago) that TOW missiles were wire guided. Didn't realize that was a thing. (I have to go now, but I'll look at the other thread later.)
 
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I was surprised to learn (about a year ago) that TOW missiles were wire guided. Didn't realize that was a thing. (I have to go now, but I'll look at the other thread later.)
What? Really? Do they trail a wire behind them when flying to their destination, all the way back to the launch site?
 
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What? Really? Do they trail a wire behind them when flying to their destination, all the way back to the launch site?

I have heard that is what they have. A wire trailing behind them.

In World War II the German's had the Fritz-X bomb that was guided by wire. It used a wire to prevent potential jamming of a signal.

Fritz-X Bomb
 
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