Certainty Jesus Returns No Later than 2023

[Jipsah]

That's weird that you think you can still live on earth with "no more sea" (Rev. 21.1).

There isn't any sea to speak of on Mars as I recall, either. God's either gonna have to terraform Mars or Marsify us. Which do you reckon it'll be?

And just on the off chance that you're not intentionally being funny but expect us to take this babble seriously, what Scripture do you have to support The Amazing Trip To Mars in any way, shape, or form?

The largest mountain in the solar system is located on Mars

That's nice.

which is the perspective John viewed the new city from in spirit or vision.

Did this come from a "graphic novel" (formerly called comic books) by any chance?

 

[watchfulChristian]

The abomination of desolation - Israel and the Temple were desolated - 70AD. This has nothing to do with the 70th week, where Christ was cut off in the middle of it.

I never said the 70th seven had something to do with 70 AD. You're confused. The 70th seven has nothing to do with when Jesus died, for obviously the 69th seven and 70th seven don't overlap and there was no 7 year period recorded during that time either. You're confused.

"wing of abominations"??? That's not in the passage.

Sure it is. Check your ASV, RSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV. I explained why that term is used.

Israel was desolated until the time of the end (the consummation) in 70 AD. Israel will not be destroyed or desolated again.

70 AD is not the end, for transgressions would have ended (Dan. 9.24). Israel will be under desolation even to the time of the end when Jesus returns.

Israel was desolated in 70AD. They have been "left desolate" until the time of the end, the "consummation", just as Daniel 9 stated.

They will not be destroyed/desolated again.

Israel won't be left desolate, but be made desolate again: "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate" (Dan. 9.27). Whereas Dan. 9.26 says "end of war desolations are determined" or NLT says "war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end."

There is no seven year period listed anywhere in scripture in regards to the abomination of desolation.

The abomination of desolation has nothing to do with the 70th week.

The desolation was of Israel, Jerusalem and the Temple - it occurred in 70AD.

They will not be destroyed or desolated again.

The last seven in Dan. 9.27 is the 70th seven and it is 2,520 days like all the previous 69 sevens were. 2,520 is interesting as a number too because it is the smallest number divisible by all numbers from 2 to 10. Pay attention! "Abomination" is mentioned in Dan. 9.27. This abomination in the 70th week is mentioned because it has to do with the 70th seven.

The desolation in 70 AD was not final since there are still transgressions with Israel which will go away when the 70th seven is done.

Israel will be desolate again, but the Temple will not be harmed (Rev. 11.2).

Jesus' ministry was 3 1/2 years. Jesus confirmed the New Covenant with many in Israel during that 3 1/2 year ministry. He will confirm the New Covenant with many more in Israel during the final 3 1/2 years - 144,000 (rev 7, 9)

The 70th seven is not split up into two time periods. How silly. And His ministry was more like 3 years not three and half. Also you have the first half of the 70th seven overlapping the second half of the 69th seven which ended March 28, 33 AD.

Rev. 9 puts the 1st woe at 5 months, the 2nd woe at 13 months, leaving 24 months for the 3rd woe. Before the woes of 42 months there are 42 months in Rev. 8 for a total of 84 months or 7 years.

144,000 Jews (Rev. 7.1-8) will be protected during the Great Tribulation and flee to perhaps Petra, while 144,000 overcomer Christians (Rev. 14.1-5) who were virgins and closest to Christ will be raptured alive at the start of the 7 year Trib. (There will be others also besides the 144,000).

No, Daniel 9:27 states:

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

This has already happened and won't happen again. This is definitely not referring to the antichrist.

"The people" [oi the prince] "shall come; that is, the Romans whose prince is the Antichrist of the past and future Neron Kaiser (666 in Aramaic).

It actually says "the end of the war" in reference to the city and the sanctuary.

The "consummation" is the time of the end.

Israel is left desolate until the time of the end.

War did not end 70 AD.

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Dan. 9.24).

Israel is not left desolate, obviously since she has arose again, so she will be left desolate again!

 

[mmksparbud]

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." Mark 13:32

Now, God the Father and God the Son, are one--if you know me, you know the Father. Can't get any closer than that--and yet the Son does not know when God will return. Do you think that Christ did not know math?? He had the knowledge of Daniel, Ezekiel, He knew the word of God, it was His study. He certainly knew how to add and subtract---you think He couldn't understand all these verses from the old testament that you've all been quoting?? And yet He does not know when God will return. You think the angels can't add and subtract? You think the angels in heaven do not know the old testament and even the new from memory??----but you all, with your little understanding and your adding machines and computers think you know more than Jesus, and more than the angels. If Jesus doesn't know, what on earth makes you think that any of you can know??

Take heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is......Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing,or in the morning; Lest coming suddenly He find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Mark 13:33-37.

He'll find some of you not sleeping, but adding and subtracting and ignoring the rest of His word, His work, His plans for you, your duty to others.

 

[watchfulChristian]

There isn't any sea to speak of on Mars

Earth will be burnt up: "the first heaven and the first earth were passed away" and "Heaven and earth shall pass away". We know scientifically the earth will be burned up. Why do you reject both science and Scripture?

Some consider this fleeing of the earth and heaven as only a divine act of re-making, but the succeeding clause, 'and there was found no place for them', clearly shows that the old heaven [from the perspective of earth] and earth are completely destroyed; for there is the mark of sin in the old creation. This fulfills what is prophesied in 2 Peter 3.4,10,12. Evidently God sends fire with which to burn up the old heaven and earth."

"The elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" (2 Pet. 3.10).

"Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?" (v.12).

Why do you reject this fact of Scripture?

 

[watchfulChristian]

"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." Mark 13:32

What day is this? The end of the world: "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" (Mark 13.31,32). Jesus doesn't return at the end of the world for there would be no world to return to then. How silly.

Jesus said you can "know" when He returns even "right at the door" (Matt. 24.33). Why do you reject what Jesus said? I know my friend is coming over today, though I don't know the hour, but I know it is today, this very day.

You're sleeping.

 

[Markusanthem]

I never said the 70th seven had something to do with 70 AD. You're confused. The 70th seven has nothing to do with when Jesus died, for obviously the 69th seven and 70th seven don't overlap and there was no 7 year period recorded during that time either. You're confused.

Jesus was cut off in the middle of the 70th week.

70 AD is not the end, for transgressions would have ended (Dan. 9.24). Israel will be under desolation even to the time of the end when Jesus returns.

No, Israel will be restored and in her place with a temple in Jerusalem at the time of the end.

Israel won't be left desolate, but be made desolate again: "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate" (Dan. 9.27). Whereas Dan. 9.26 says "end of war desolations are determined" or NLT says "war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end."

Israel and the temple were already destroyed and left desolate until the time of the end as of 70AD.

The last seven in Dan. 9.27 is the 70th seven and it is 2,520 days like all the previous 69 sevens were. 2,520 is interesting as a number too because it is the smallest number divisible by all numbers from 2 to 10. Pay attention! "Abomination" is mentioned in Dan. 9.27. This abomination in the 70th week is mentioned because it has to do with the 70th seven.

No, the abomination of desolation refers to the desolation of Israel. It has nothing to do with the 70th week. It already occurred almost 2000 years ago.

The desolation in 70 AD was not final since there are still transgressions with Israel which will go away when the 70th seven is done.

Scripture says they will be restored and protected by God at the time of the end, not destroyed and desolated again.

Israel will be desolate again, but the Temple will not be harmed (Rev. 11.2).


The 70th seven is not split up into two time periods. How silly.

Sure it is.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

Rev. 9 puts the 1st woe at 5 months, the 2nd woe at 13 months, leaving 24 months for the 3rd woe. Before the woes of 42 months there are 42 months in Rev. 8 for a total of 84 months or 7 years.

The only thing factual is 5 months for the 1st woe. All else is speculation on your part.

144,000 Jews (Rev. 7.1-8) will be protected during the Great Tribulation and flee to perhaps Petra, while 144,000 overcomer Christians (Rev. 14.1-5) who were virgins and closest to Christ will be raptured alive at the start of the 7 year Trib. (There will be others also besides the 144,000).

No, it says that the day of wrath begins at the 6th seal and Jesus said the tribulation is over at the 6th seal.

The 144,000 Jews are fleeing nowhere. They have the seal of God and are protected by Him.

"The people" [oi the prince] "shall come; that is, the Romans whose prince is the Antichrist of the past and future Neron Kaiser (666 in Aramaic).

The angel said the prince that shall come is the Messiah, Messiah the Prince.

War did not end 70 AD.

The city and the Temple were destroyed, Israel desolated in 70AD.

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Dan. 9.24).

Israel is not left desolate, obviously since she has arose again, so she will be left desolate again!

No, no scripture says Israel will be destroyed and left desolate again. In fact, it repeatedly says that God will save Israel.

 

[watchfulChristian]

Ask yourself, who is desolated by the abomination of desolation?

Israel left desolate 70 AD and even when they reclaim their land are left desolate again.

The abomination of desolation has already occurred.

Impossible for then transgressions would have ended (Dan. 9.24). The abomination is of the 70th seven in which sacrifices stop (they will start up again soon), yet cancelled again by the Antichrist in the midst of the week.

The devil only gets 42 months; the same 42 months that the New Covenant is confirmed with 144,000 of Israel during the time of wrath - the last half of the 70th week.

The Antichrist gets 42 months to be the abomination of desolation in the midst of the week in the Temple that will not be destroyed this time but measured (Rev. 11.2). 144,000 Jews (Rev. 7.1-8) will find protection for 42.

The first 42 months the earth is hurt (Rev. 8). The 2nd 42 months people are hurt and killed (Rev. 9-11). Rev. 12-19 give the details of these major points from 7 to 11.

 

[Markusanthem]

Israel left desolate 70 AD and even when they reclaim their land are left desolate again.

No. They will not be desolated again. They have been revived and are about to be restored.

Hosea 6:Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Impossible for then transgressions would have ended (Dan. 9.24). The abomination is of the 70th seven in which sacrifices stop (they will start up again soon), yet cancelled again by the Antichrist in the midst of the week.

No, you see, you keep associating the 70 sevens with the abomination of desolation.

There is no scriptural reason to assume the abomination of desolation has anything to do with the 70 weeks - it does not.

The Antichrist gets 42 months to be the abomination of desolation in the midst of the week in the Temple that will not be destroyed this time but measured (Rev. 11.2). 144,000 Jews (Rev. 7.1-8) will find protection for 42.

No, the abomination of desolation left Israel desolate.

This isn't going to happen again.

The antichrist has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation. No scripture says the antichrist has anything to do with the abomination of desolation.

The first 42 months the earth is hurt (Rev. 8). The 2nd 42 months people are hurt and killed (Rev. 9-11). Rev. 12-19 give the details of these major points from 7 to 11.

No, that is pure speculation on your part. No scripture says for 42 months the earth is hurt and for 42 months people are hurt.

 

[watchfulChristian]

Jesus was cut off in the middle of the 70th week.

Jesus was not cut off in the middle of the 70th week because that would overlap the 69th week. The weeks are consecutive.

No, Israel will be restored and in her place with a temple in Jerusalem at the time of the end.

I know Israel will be restored as she is now before the outer court is not measured and left desolate (Rev. 11.2).

Israel and the temple were already destroyed and left desolate until the time of the end as of 70AD.

The Temple mount is not left desolate, for the Temple is being built and is to be measured (protected) (Rev. 11.2)

No, the abomination of desolation refers to the desolation of Israel. It has nothing to do with the 70th week. It already occurred almost 2000 years ago.

The abomination is mentioned in the 70th week in Dan. 9.27.

Scripture says they will be restored and protected by God at the time of the end, not destroyed and desolated again.

Yes they will be left desolate again (Rev. 11.2).

The only thing factual is 5 months for the 1st woe. All else is speculation on your part.

The 2nd woe is 13 months (Rev. 9.15), leaving 24 months for the 3rd woe.

No, it says that the day of wrath begins at the 6th seal and Jesus said the tribulation is over at the 6th seal.

There is no solar or lunar eclipse specifically mentioned at the end of the Tribulation like for Rev. 6.12 before the Trib.

The 144,000 Jews are fleeing nowhere. They have the seal of God and are protected by Him.

144,000 will flee and be protected. "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day" (Matt. 24.20).

The angel said the prince that shall come is the Messiah, Messiah the Prince.

The prince is the Antichrist, not Jesus for Jesus is not the prince of the Romans. How silly.

The city and the Temple were destroyed, Israel desolated in 70AD.

She will be left desolate even to the end after she reclaimed the land again.

No, no scripture says Israel will be destroyed and left desolate again. In fact, it repeatedly says that God will save Israel.

Israel will be saved after three and half years. Amen.

 

[mmksparbud]

What day is this? The end of the world: "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father" (Mark 13.31,32). Jesus doesn't return at the end of the world for there would be no world to return to then. How silly.

Jesus said you can "know" when He returns even "right at the door" (Matt. 24.33). Why do you reject what Jesus said? I know my friend is coming over today, though I don't know the hour, but I know it is today, this very day.

You're sleeping.

Yes, you can know it's right around the corner, it's got to be soon. Not rejecting anything Christ said. "Know that it is nigh, even at the doors."

"And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elects sake, whom He hath chosen,he hath shortened those days."

I'm wide awake, watching, expecting His return any minute and living my life according to His will--but I'm not spending endless, useless hours in silly mathematical equations that do not lead to the salvation of anyone's soul, but may be making some people rather arrogant about how much smarter than Christ and the angels they are.

 

[watchfulChristian]

No. They will not be desolated again. They have been revived and are about to be restored.

Israel is already a nation, but Rev. 11.2 says to measure only the Temple because only the Temple will be protected in the Great Trib.

No, you see, you keep associating the 70 sevens with the abomination of desolation.

Because Dan. 9.27 says "abomination".

There is no scriptural reason to assume the abomination of desolation has anything to do with the 70 weeks - it does not.

Other than the fact that it uses the word "abomination" for the final week.

No, the abomination of desolation left Israel desolate.

Dan. 9.26 says "desolations are determined" which occurred 70 AD. Dan. 9.27 says after the abomination: "overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Two different events. Dan. 9.26 was 70 AD. Dan. 9.27 is the 70th seven.

This isn't going to happen again.

Israel will be left desolate again as the world congregates in the middle east over oil and to stop Iran and Israel takes preemptive action against Iran. Israel will again not be tolerated by the national community as Dan. 9.27 predicts.

The antichrist has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation. No scripture says the antichrist has anything to do with the abomination of desolation.

The abomination is an idol and the idol is of the Antichrist that can actually speak. "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed" (Rev. 13.15).

No, that is pure speculation on your part. No scripture says for 42 months the earth is hurt and for 42 months people are hurt.

No speculating. Since the 42 months hurts people in Rev. 9, that leaves 42 months in Rev. 8 which we see the earth is hurt. Read Rev. 8 then read Rev. 9.

 

[watchfulChristian]

Yes, you can know it's right around the corner, it's got to be soon. Not rejecting anything Christ said. "Know that it is nigh, even at the doors."

Yes, but I can't consider you a Christian because you believe in annihilationism since you are SDA and you believe in the lie when your Jesus didn't return you made up Investigative Judgment that think began 1844. Nonsense.

"And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elects sake, whom He hath chosen,he hath shortened those days."

I'm wide awake, watching, expecting His return any minute and living my life according to His will--but I'm not spending endless, useless hours in silly mathematical equations that do not lead to the salvation of anyone's soul, but may be making some people rather arrogant about how much smarter than Christ and the angels they are.

Yes, hours are not helpful. But the days are.

If we keep the word of His patience (Rev. 3.10), are watchful (Matt. 24.40-42), and prayerful (Luke 21.36) we can escape the hour of trial (Rev. 3.10) that is to come upon the whole world (Luke 21.36) by being first raptured "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the Tribulation begins.

 

[mmksparbud]

No SDA ever made up the 1844 nonsense--they didn't exist until 1863--those were the Millerites. Christians are those who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, He came to earth and paid the price for us, died and rose again and will return to get us. What I do not believe in, and I claim the bible verses that have been repeated here over and over and over that hell is not forever, but only until all is burned up. That eternal life is given to the saved (according to the word of God), that God alone is Immortal, that eternal life is not given to the lost, that the earth will be made over after it is burned up along with all evil. That Jesus Christ is our High Priest and sits on the right hand of God. That when Christ returns "His reward is with Him", and that God alone knows when He's comiming back.

 

[watchfulChristian]

No SDA ever made up the 1844 nonsense--they didn't exist until 1863--those were the Millerites. Christians are those who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, He came to earth and paid the price for us, died and rose again and will return to get us. What I do not believe in, and I claim the bible verses that have been repeated here over and over and over that hell is not forever, but only until all is burned up. That eternal life is given to the saved (according to the word of God), that God alone is Immortal, that eternal life is not given to the lost, that the earth will be made over after it is burned up along with all evil. That Jesus Christ is our High Priest and sits on the right hand of God. That when Christ returns "His reward is with Him", and that God alone knows when He's comiming back.

Free will is not truly free unless Hell exists forever because if you don't have the choice to be eternally separated from God then you don't have free will.

Hades (Sheol, soul sleep, timeless unawares) is throw into the Lake of Fire (Hell), but Hell isn't thrown into Hell, that's silly. We are all made in God's image unable to cease to exist, permanently existing, but that is not the same thing as eternal life, that is, to be with God.

The earth can't be made up again because when it is burned up it is burned up for good. Scientifically we know the sun keeps growing which will make earth unbearable to live on one day.

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them . . . And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea . . . And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God" (Rev. 20.11, 21.1,10). The largest mountain in the solar system is located on Mars which is the perspective John viewed the new city from in spirit or vision.

"Some consider this fleeing of the earth and heaven as only a divine act of re-making, but the succeeding clause, 'and there was found no place for them', clearly shows that the old heaven [from the perspective of earth] and earth are completely destroyed; for there is the mark of sin in the old creation. This fulfills what is prophesied in 2 Peter 3.4,10,12. Evidently God sends fire with which to burn up the old heaven and earth."

You worship another Jesus who annnihilates souls in His image. How evil.

The word of God has told us when Jesus is coming back which you admit you reject. Jesus returns to reign on earth for 1000 years with His overcomers with a rod of iron.

 

[watchfulChristian]

To me that's strange all these cults of the past, those still in them try to divorce themselves with some of their false teachings but still cling to others.

If that is the trend then all the cults are amalgamating into a common thread of belief: premillennialism, OSAS Arminian, eternal Hell's separation, etc. or maybe not.

 

[mmksparbud]

Oh, for crying outloud!! God is evil for eliminating sin???---He would be evil if He were burning and torturing people for ever and ever--that is mean, evil. A new heaven and a new earth--just what it says. Hell is for as long as it takes to burn Satan and all his followers--and not one minute longer!! That is justice, torturing someone forever and ever is beyond cruel. Good grief--believe what you want. There will come a time when no one will have any more doubts or questions. Free will is free will---you can choose to obey God or not. To think that there is no free will unless there is an everlasting burning hell is more than silly--all evil will end--all--evil--will end.---Burning in hell forever means that not only has God given eternal life to the lost, but that He is allowing sin, evil, to live forever. You will believe whatever you want, I choose to believe what the bible says--plainly. God is love, He only hates Evil and He is far more anxious to get this whole business over with than any of us ever will be as He has had to see it from it's ugly beginnings!! He wants it over and done with with, never to rear it's ugly head again and no way is He going to sit there and watch sinners burning forever and ever!! Done, over with--as am I. I do not have the patience for this right now, my nueropathies are calling!!

 

[Jipsah]

Yes, but I can't consider you a Christian

Zat mean anyone who doesn't believe thet sort of rubbish that you produce isn't a Christian? Wow, that's amazing! You're kind of a new female (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) Supreme Pontiff, aren't you?

because you believe in annihilationism

Which of the ancient creeds of the Church does that conflict with? I must have missed that one. Or is this just some of Brooks's Dogma that one must believe to be a considered a Christian?

Of course, if one is to adhere to Troy's Dogma then one has to contradict the words of our Lord Himself and adhere only to the Word of Troy. I reckon I'll pass.

 

[mmksparbud]

And by the way--just in case you don't know--God can do whatever He wants!!!! He can make a new heaven and a new earth, complete with a new sun (isn't that part of a new heaven? HE MADE THEM ALL TO BEGIN WITH, REMEMBER?? You have a problem with a God who annihilates those He created in His image, but have no problem with Him torturing those same people, made in His image, forever and ever??!!! Now, how silly is that!!! Adam and Eve were barred from the Garden of Eden, "lest they eat of the tree of life, and live forever in sin"---If Adam and Eve had to have the tree of life to eat from to live forever, and I've asked this question before--just who is going to give the lost fruit from the tree of life so they can keep on living forever and being tortured?? God going to toss them our leftovers, or maybe you will be in charge of that---seems right up your alley. Good night!!

 

[watchfulChristian]

Oh, for crying outloud!! God is evil for eliminating sin???---He would be evil if He were burning and torturing people for ever and ever--that is mean, evil. A new heaven and a new earth--just what it says. Hell is for as long as it takes to burn Satan and all his followers--and not one minute longer!! That is justice, torturing someone forever and ever is beyond cruel. Good grief--believe what you want. There will come a time when no one will have any more doubts or questions. Free will is free will---you can choose to obey God or not. To think that there is no free will unless there is an everlasting burning hell is more than silly--all evil will end--all--evil--will end.---Burning in hell forever means that not only has God given eternal life to the lost, but that He is allowing sin, evil, to live forever. You will believe whatever you want, I choose to believe what the bible says--plainly. God is love, He only hates Evil and He is far more anxious to get this whole business over with than any of us ever will be as He has had to see it from it's ugly beginnings!! He wants it over and done with with, never to rear it's ugly head again and no way is He going to sit there and watch sinners burning forever and ever!! Done, over with--as am I. I do not have the patience for this right now, my nueropathies are calling!!

God wants to be with with free willed beings, so the minute He forces someone not to have the choice to be eternally separated from Him, He is creating a being less than he could be and fellowshipping with beings less satisfying to God. In fact, you're very Calvinist.

You have a misconception about this fire, because it is unlike natural fire that eventually burns out. It is a fire of judgment. It is metaphorical. It is expressed as graphically as possible because God doesn't want you to go there, but you surely will if you deny its existence. Just know this place is most appropriate for the person who wants to be eternally separated from God.

John 17.3 says eternal life is an ability to know God as well as eternal blessings. Those who go to Hell want no such relationship. They lock themselves in from the inside. It is more painful or scary for them to relinquish control of self to place their trust in God than to keep holding onto their independency.

When the Bible says forever it means forever. The unsaved "shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (Rev. 20.10), "and whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (v.15). "He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone" (14.10), and "they have no rest day nor night" (v.11), for it "will never burn out" (Matt. 25.41).

Because you cannot accept this Jesus then just read John 3.18.

 

[watchfulChristian]

Zat mean anyone who doesn't believe thet sort of rubbish

"Do not fear them who can kill the body only rather fear Him who can destroy both the soul and body in hell" (Matt. 10.28). "Destroy" doesn't here mean annihilation, but in the lexicon: "render useless...to perish, to be lost, ruined...to lose...metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell...to put out of the way entirely, abolish." The unsaved can no longer do damage to the elect because they will be eternally separated from us like a prisoner locked in jail for life. "The hour is coming...unto the resurrection of life" and separated by a thousand years, some "unto the resurrection of damnation" (John 5.28-29). "He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him" (John 3.36). "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal" (Matt. 25.46). "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the exclusion of the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" (2 Thess. 1.8-9).

Since you admit you reject the Jesus who creates this option for people, just read John 3.18.