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Certainty Jesus Returns No Later than 2023

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by watchfulChristian, May 19, 2012.

  1. watchfulChristian

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    Will Jesus return within 75 years from when Israel became a nation (by 2023 at the latest)? Yes,

    • because 75 years is within a lifetime (Ps. 90.10);
    • because Abraham entered the promise land at 75 (Gen. 12.5);
    • because "you know the summer is near" (Matt. 24.32) when the "fig tree...branch is tender" (v.32);
    • Ezekiel's prophecy on his side for 390 days takes us to exactly May, 1948 when Israel became a nation again;
    • thus, you "know that it is near, even at the doors" (v.33).
    Can we narrow down the time of the Tribulation and when Jesus returns? Yes,

    • because before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31, Rev. 6.12) there is a great earthquake (2010/11), unique solar eclipse (Nov. 3, 2013) and unique lunar eclipse (2014/15);
    • thus, the Tribulation can start no sooner than 2015.
    How do we get even more exact for the time the Tribulation starts?

    • Each year there are from Feast of Trumpets 2,520 (Dan. 9.27, 12.7, Rev. 12.6) days to Tisha B'Av or 2,550 (Dan. 12.11) days to Day of Atonement;
    • there are 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) from the day before Passover to Tisha B'Av from 2016 to 2022 and for 2017 to 2023;
    • thus, we know the Tribulation starts on Feast of Trumpets either Sept. 14, 2015 or Oct. 3, 2016.
    Which year does the Tribulation start?

    • There are seven sets of seven from June 7, 1967 (double fulfilment of Dan. 9.25) when Israel became a nation to the Day of Atonement June 23, 2015 (total of 17,640 days);
    • when Jesus returns, He judges the nations for 30 days from the 1260th to the 1290th day;
    • 2015 is a Jubilee year once every 50 years and it is a Sabbath year once every seven years (these years are confirmed going back to the start of the first Jubilee which was 3986 BC when Adam was 18 years old;
    • thus, the Tribulation must start on Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14 in 2015.
    What day does Jesus step down on the mount of olives?

    • Jesus would step down on the 2,520th day which would be Aug. 7, 2022.
     
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  2. Markusanthem

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    The devil only gets 42 months of power (Revelation 13).

    Christ will appear for the church no later than 2015, but likely 2014 or even 2013.

    He will come on the clouds with the church 3 1/2 years after that, giving the devil 42 months to rule the earth.

    Israel will be 70 years old in 6 years - 2018. Christ will be reigning by then.
     
  3. watchfulChristian

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    Jesus appears at the end of the 7 year Tribulation, and the Tribulation starts with the first rapture to 3rd heaven "before the throne" (7.9) before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the Tribulation begins. There was no rapture, according to readiness, in 2006, 2007 or 2008. It would have been on the news.

    Before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31) 3 events must occur before the Tribulation starst: 1) great earthquake, 2) unique solar eclipse, 3) unique lunar ecipse in that precise order (Rev. 6.12). None of these happened in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.
     
  4. dana b

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    The year "2022" matches the first half of the "hour of temptations." It says that after the seventh trumpet there would be silence in heaven for "half an hour." If one day of God's is 1000 years, then an hour of God's is 42.6 years.(1000 divided by 24 hours of a man's day)

    So then "silence in heaven for half an hour" would amount to about 22 years. This means that the silence in heaven/our churches today will enc in 2022 just as your above post diciphers.

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  5. hiscosmicgoldfish

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    I had a dream that Jesus dosn't return for hundreds of years yet.
     
  6. watchfulChristian

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    Just goes to show you dreams can be deceptive. You are most susceptible when you have a passive mind for the evil spirits to enter, and the most passive time is when you are asleep.
     
  7. watchfulChristian

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    The Year-Day Theory

    Recently the study of prophecy had earned for itself a bad reputation among believers because of the so-called year-day theory. According to this theory, many numbers of days in the Scriptures are computed as though a day were a year [even Isaac Newton made this mistake with all kinds of calculations], thus fostering predictions as to the precise date for the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ—an exercise of the mind which is plainly contradictory to the Lord’s announcement: for no one knows the date of His return, not even Jesus himself. Then, too, some commentators on Revelation have twisted God’s word in ways that are meant to fit in with this year-day theory. We have no intention to argue about this theory; we only desire to point out a right understanding of the “days” that are mentioned in the Bible.

    The advocates of the year-day theory base their conception on Numbers 14.34 and Ezekiel 4.6. Let us first examine Numbers: "After the number of the days in which ye spied out the land, even forty days, for every day a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my alienation." Here we are told that due to their unbelief, the children of Israel were disciplined by God for forty years, a year for every day they had spied out the land. But this does not apply equally to other "days" mentioned in Scripture, and certainly not to the "days" found in Revelation. As to Ezekiel: "And again, when thou hast accomplished these, thou shalt lie on thy right side, and shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah: forty days, each day for a year, have I appointed it unto thee." Here we see that God commanded Ezekiel to lie down in a certain position as a response to the iniquity of Judah. This has nothing to do with the other "days" found in the Bible.

    Let us look at a few more passages.

    (1) "And yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights" (Gen. 7.4). Did God wait for seven years and then have the rain fall for forty years? No, for the record goes on to explain as follows: "And it came to pass after the seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. . . . And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights" (vv.10,12). Here, a day is not a year.

    (2) "Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: the three branches are three days; within yet three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head" (Gen. 40.12,13). Was it that after three years the chief butler was released from prison? Not at all: "And it came to pass the third day . . . [that] he restored the chief butler unto his butlership again" (vv.20,21).

    (3) "Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day’s portion every day . . . And it shall come to pass on the sixth day . . . [that] it shall be twice as much as they gather daily" (Ex. 16.4,5). The children of Israel went out to gather manna every day, not once a year.

    (4) God gave meat to the children of Israel to eat for "a whole month" (Num. 11.19, 20). They did not eat meat for thirty years.

    (5) "Within three days ye are to cross this Jordan" (Joshua 1.11). What actually happened afterwards? Did the children of Israel cross over Jordan after three years? No, they crossed after three days.

    (6) "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matt. 12.40). Was the Lord Jesus in the heart of the earth for three years? We know from the biblical record that He was there for only three days and three nights.

    From this evidence, therefore, we can easily conclude that the year-day theory is erroneous. If some of the "days" appearing in the book of Revelation are to be taken as years, then the rest of the "days" found therein should also be treated as years. And in that case, the three and a half years of the Great Tribulation would have to be calculated as a thousand two hundred and sixty years; and the millennial kingdom would have to be extended out to three hundred and sixty thousand years. Obviously, we know that such calculations as these cannot be true.

    May we therefore trust the Holy Spirit to guide us correctly as we read the word of God. Let us not seize upon strange ideas like this. Even though the Bible is most wonderful, it is not to be explained in any quaint or bizarre way. We ought to learn to be more obedient to God in our thought. And then we will not be likely to misinterpret His word.
     
  8. watchfulChristian

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    The alignment of this thread is messed up.
     
  9. watchfulChristian

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    ...
     
  10. watchfulChristian

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    The year day theory is false.
     
  11. Trogool

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    You people never get tired of pushing the dates back when it fails to happen, do you?
     
  12. watchfulChristian

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    The Year-Day Theory

    Recently the study of prophecy had earned for itself a bad reputation among believers because of the so-called year-day theory. According to this theory, many numbers of days in the Scriptures are computed as though a day were a year [even Isaac Newton made this mistake with all kinds of calculations], thus fostering predictions as to the precise date for the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ—an exercise of the mind which is plainly contradictory to the Lord’s announcement: for no one knows the date of His return, not even Jesus himself. Then, too, some commentators on Revelation have twisted God’s word in ways that are meant to fit in with this year-day theory. We have no intention to argue about this theory; we only desire to point out a right understanding of the “days” that are mentioned in the Bible.

    The advocates of the year-day theory base their conception on Numbers 14.34 and Ezekiel 4.6. Let us first examine Numbers: "After the number of the days in which ye spied out the land, even forty days, for every day a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my alienation." Here we are told that due to their unbelief, the children of Israel were disciplined by God for forty years, a year for every day they had spied out the land. But this does not apply equally to other "days" mentioned in Scripture, and certainly not to the "days" found in Revelation. As to Ezekiel: "And again, when thou hast accomplished these, thou shalt lie on thy right side, and shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah: forty days, each day for a year, have I appointed it unto thee." Here we see that God commanded Ezekiel to lie down in a certain position as a response to the iniquity of Judah. This has nothing to do with the other "days" found in the Bible. We know Ezekiel's prophecy takes us to the exact month of May and exact year of 1948.

    Let us look at a few more passages.

    (1) "And yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights" (Gen. 7.4). Did God wait for seven years and then have the rain fall for forty years? No, for the record goes on to explain as follows: "And it came to pass after the seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. . . . And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights" (vv.10,12). Here, a day is not a year.

    (2) "Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: the three branches are three days; within yet three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head" (Gen. 40.12,13). Was it that after three years the chief butler was released from prison? Not at all: "And it came to pass the third day . . . [that] he restored the chief butler unto his butlership again" (vv.20,21).

    (3) "Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day’s portion every day . . . And it shall come to pass on the sixth day . . . [that] it shall be twice as much as they gather daily" (Ex. 16.4,5). The children of Israel went out to gather manna every day, not once a year.

    (4) God gave meat to the children of Israel to eat for "a whole month" (Num. 11.19, 20). They did not eat meat for thirty years.

    (5) "Within three days ye are to cross this Jordan" (Joshua 1.11). What actually happened afterwards? Did the children of Israel cross over Jordan after three years? No, they crossed after three days.

    (6) "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matt. 12.40). Was the Lord Jesus in the heart of the earth for three years? We know from the biblical record that He was there for only three days and three nights.

    From this evidence, therefore, we can easily conclude that the year-day theory is erroneous. If some of the "days" appearing in the book of Revelation are to be taken as years, then the rest of the "days" found therein should also be treated as years. And in that case, the three and a half years of the Great Tribulation would have to be calculated as a thousand two hundred and sixty years; and the millennial kingdom would have to be extended out to three hundred and sixty thousand years. Obviously, we know that such calculations as these cannot be true.

    May we therefore trust the Holy Spirit to guide us correctly as we read the word of God. Let us not seize upon strange ideas like this. Even though the Bible is most wonderful, it is not to be explained in any quaint or bizarre way. We ought to learn to be more obedient to God in our thought. And then we will not be likely to misinterpret His word.
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2012
  13. watchfulChristian

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    I've never pushed a date back ever. The Tribulation is still 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

    I only used the year 2023 as a starting point to derive the Tribulation. But you would have known that if you read carefully and conscientiously enough the opening post.
     
  14. watchfulChristian

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    No! The silence is not in the 7th trumpet, but just before the Tribulation starts with the 1st trumpet. The 7th Seal opens the 7 Trumpets of the Tribulation, and the 7th Trumpet pours out the 7 bowls of wrath.

    You're confusing the 7th Seal with the 7th Trumpet.
     
  15. dana b

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    As the Apostle Peter told us "a day with the lord is equal to a thousand." And he warned us not to forget this. Why?

    It is because it is important for understanding all of the other phrases that teach us the exact year which we live in. Mankind is living in a civilization which began with Adam in Mesopotamia in 4000 BC. It is destined by God to last, corresponding to his Genesis seven days, for 7000 years. Peter obviously knew this and in 2 Pet.3;9 he tells us that about this "the lord is not slack in his promise."

    We today are living at the end of six millenniums since God set Adam into the Mesopotamian garden called Eden. When you understand the Bibles as the wise men and Magis of old then you can see how history and human destiny have progressed following the layout for them written into the Genesis Bible Code.

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  16. dana b

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  18. dana b

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    Yes, the 2520 days do also interpret as "2520 years" according to Daniel. See the chart below;

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  20. Codger

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    Oh good grief - the latest empty Futuristic speculation. First it was 40 years (a generation) after the formation of modern day Israel in 1948. 1948 + 40 = 1988. 1988 came and went and was selectively forgotten.

    Next it was stated that the "correct" starting date was actually 1967 with the capture of Jerusalem. So 1967 + 40= 2007. This also came and went - and was forgotten. Now it is 1948 + 75 years (the new generation definition) so this will be in 2023. What happened to the "Correct" starting date of 1967? Maybe the next speculation will be 75 years after the 1967 war which equals 2042.

    With a negative credibility rating why would anyone believe this stuff. Not one futuristic speculation has come to pass in the last 60 years despite the fact that there are thousands of them.

    Best not to put dates on speculations, but rather try to keep them all in the future where you cannot be proven to be wrong.
     
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