Certainty Jesus Returns No Later than 2023

[watchfulChristian]

Another admission by God that He is the one who desolated Israel because of their abominations, just like in Daniel 9:

Ezek 5:11 Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord God; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.
12 A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.

Consequences for Israel's sin. Lots of verses throughout the OT and NT.

Notice this is a 3rd part of Israel, but in the Great Trib it will be 1/3 of mankind (Rev. 9.18). Never before in human history was this possible until the advent of nuclear weapons I am very sad to say. You don't know man's sin so naturally you have no sense what is about to happen in the next decade.

The first nuke that will go off will be in the first half of the 7 year Trib in Rev. 8 (details in Rev. 17.16) that takes out the Vatican.

 

[watchfulChristian]

We are in agreement that it was the Roman armies that God sent to destroy and desolate Israel, burn Jerusalem and the Temple, are we not?

God allowed it, but it was the people of the Antichrist: "people of the prince".

Matt 24:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

That's not Matt. 24.7.

 

[watchfulChristian]

LOL!

nope.

Amen.

By reason of strength 80 years otherwise 70 years. Take the median of 75 so 75 years from 1948 is 2023. This gives the latest possible time the 7 Year Tribulation can end and Jesus step down, but see the opening post to see how more exacting we can get.

If you wanted to add 5 more years to 80 years the problem is that is 2028 and there really is not enough oil left in the world in 2028 so the battle will occur a good time before that. And the Tribulation must start in connection with the Tetrad 2014/15 to remain consistent with the 1949/50 and 1967/68 Tetrad, for the 6th Seal before the Tribulation starts already has men hiding in caves because of problems going on. Therefore, you should not expect a gap of from 2015 to 2020 for the start of the Tribulation. It would immediately follow the 2014/15 Tetrad.

 

[Markusanthem]

God allowed it, but it was the people of the Antichrist: "people of the prince".


That's not Matt. 24.7.

God said he sent the Roman (Daughter of Babylon) armies, called them "his armies".

Matt 24:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


Isaiah 47:5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.
6I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.


Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


The prince is Jesus in Daniel 9 because the angel told us so. The antichrist isn't even in these verses. The antichrist does not destroy the city or the sanctuary but God sure did using the Roman armies/his armies.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Markusanthem]

Amen.

By reason of strength 80 years otherwise 70 years. Take the median of 75 so 75 years from 1948 is 2023. This gives the latest possible time the 7 Year Tribulation can end and Jesus step down, but see the opening post to see how more exacting we can get.

If you wanted to add 5 more years to 80 years the problem is that is 2028 and there really is not enough oil left in the world in 2028 so the battle will occur a good time before that. And the Tribulation must start in connection with the Tetrad 2014/15 to remain consistent with the 1949/50 and 1967/68 Tetrad, for the 6th Seal before the Tribulation starts already has men hiding in caves because of problems going on. Therefore, you should not expect a gap of from 2015 to 2020 for the start of the Tribulation. It would immediately follow the 2014/15 Tetrad.

No, you can't take 70 and make it 75. It's 70. Period.

2018 is 70 years from Israel's revival as a nation.

By 2018, God will be reigning on this earth.

Scripturally, it is after 70 years that God moves.

Isaiah 23 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Isaiah 23 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Jeremiah 25 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Jeremiah 29 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

 

[watchfulChristian]

God said he sent the Roman (Daughter of Babylon) armies, called them "his armies".

Matt 24:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

That's not Matt. 24.7. You got your verses mixed up.

The prince is Jesus in Daniel 9 because the angel told us so. The antichrist isn't even in these verses. The antichrist does not destroy the city or the sanctuary but God sure did using the Roman armies/his armies.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

"Messiah the Prince" or "Annointed One" is not the prince of Rome in the following verse. That will never do.

And Jesus made no covenant in 30 AD for 7 years. Silly. Dan. 9.27 is about the 70th seven and future Antichrist.

Jesus is cut off in verse 25, Israel is destroyed 70 AD in verse 26 and verse 27 the Antichrist breaks his covenant at the end of this age.

You make everything ass backwards.

 

[Markusanthem]

That's not Matt. 24.7. You got your verses mixed up.


Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. "Messiah the Prince" or "Annointed One" is not the prince of Rome in the following line. That will never do.

And Jesus made no covenant in 30 AD for 7 years. Silly. Dan. 9.27 is about the 70th seven and future Antichrist.

It doesn't say the covenant is 7 years or that there's some "7-year treaty".

It says that he (Jesus) confirms the covenant with many for one seven.

Jesus confirmed the New Covenant with many of Israel for 3 1/2 years during his ministry.

144,000 of Israel (12,000 from every tribe) are sealed during 3 1/2 years at the end.

Paul made it very clear:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

 

[watchfulChristian]

No, you can't take 70 and make it 75. It's 70. Period.

2018 is 70 years from Israel's revival as a nation.

By 2018, God will be reigning on this earth.

Scripturally, it is after 70 years that God moves.

It says 70 and by reason of strength 80. 75 is the average.

The only thing that will happen by 2018 is the Temple will be built again and the Vatican will be nuked.

 

[Markusanthem]

Jesus is cut off in verse 25, Israel is destroyed 70 AD in verse 26 and verse 27 the Antichrist breaks his covenant at the end of this age.

There is no covenant of the antichrist. That is fiction.

 

[Markusanthem]

It says 70 and by reason of strength 80. 75 is the average.

The only thing that will happen by 2018 is the Temple will be built again and the Vatican will be nuked.

Wait and see. The Temple will be built before the Vatican is nuked and both will occur way before 2018.

Just look at the geopolitical landscape right now. It's not going to take 6 more years for the Islamists to form a caliphate and invade Israel. Iran is ready now to attempt to destroy Israel. This year and next year are going to be very eventful in the middle east.

 

[watchfulChristian]

It doesn't say the covenant is 7 years or that there's some "7-year treaty".

Sure it does, it says "covenant". Some Bible versions even say "The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven" (Dan. 9.27). Jesus is not ruling at that time. Remember, Satan is the god of this world.

It says that he (Jesus) confirms the covenant with many for one seven.

Nope. What you call Jesus is Neron Kaiser (666 in Aramaic) who is going to be released from the pit (Rev. 9.1,2) and inhabit the body of a prince.

No record of a 7 year covenant by Jesus. Fanciful.

Jesus confirmed the New Covenant with many of Israel for 3 1/2 years during his ministry.

Nope. Jesus preached 3 years and never mentioned anything about a 7 year covenant as required by Dan. 9.27: "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week".

144,000 of Israel are sealed during 3 1/2 years at the end.

Yes, 144,000 remnant of Jews will be protected probably in Petra. Whereas 144,000 virgin firstfruit Christians will be raptured alive.

Paul made it very clear:

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Amen. Nothing about a 7 year covenant.

 

[watchfulChristian]

There is no covenant of the antichrist. That is fiction.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" (Dan. 9.27), same as...

"The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings" (Dan. 9.27).

Jesus never put an end to sacrifices, but Israel kept on sacrificing at least till 70 AD, but tried to do so again in the 2nd century as well. Even in the Tribulation they will do so again.

 

[Markusanthem]

Sure it does, it says "covenant". Some Bible versions even say "The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven" (Dan. 9.27). Jesus is not ruling at that time. Remember, Satan is the god of this world.


Nope. What you call Jesus is Neron Kaiser (666 in Aramaic) who is going to be released from the pit (Rev. 9.1,2) and inhabit the body of a prince.

No record of a 7 year covenant by Jesus. Fanciful.


Nope. Jesus preached 3 years and never mentioned anything about a 7 year covenant as required by Dan. 9.27: "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week".


Yes, 144,000 remnant of Jews will be protected probably in Petra. Whereas 144,000 virgin firstfruit Christians will be raptured alive.


Amen. Nothing about a 7 year covenant.

There is no 7-year covenant. - not by Jesus, not by the antichrist.

The covenant in Daniel 9 is the New Covenant, the acceptance of which seals us with the Holy Spirit, just like the 144,000.

Paul understood it. Why can't you?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


Jesus confirmed the covenant, the new covenant, with many of Israel during his 3 1/2 year ministry. Jesus will confirm the covenant, the new covenant, with 144,000 of Israel during the final 3 1/2 years.

Daniel 9 is telling us about how Israel and Jerusalem will be reconciled back to God through Jesus, Messiah the Prince, the Prince that shall come. It's got nothing to do with the antichrist.

 

[watchfulChristian]

Wait and see. The Temple will be built before the Vatican is nuked and both will occur way before 2018.

Just look at the geopolitical landscape right now. It's not going to take 6 more years for the Islamists to form a caliphate and invade Israel. Iran is ready now to attempt to destroy Israel. This year and next year are going to be very eventful in the middle east.

The Temple needs to be completed before the 2300 days start. There are 2300 days from April 21, 2016, day before passover, 4th day inspection of the lamb, to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

The Vatican will be nuked in 2016, 2017 or 2018.

Islam is utterly incapable of invading Iran. Israel would nuke Iran before that would ever happen. It will be the United Nations that walk into Israel under the head of the Antichrist whose army is that of USA and of Europe mostly.

You are jumping the gun a bit.

That's funny "wait and see"? As if I had a choice. lol.

 

[Markusanthem]

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" (Dan. 9.27), same as...

"The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings" (Dan. 9.27).

No, that is not the same at all.

Jesus never put an end to sacrifices, but Israel kept on sacrificing at least till 70 AD, but tried to do so again in the 2nd century as well. Even in the Tribulation they will do so again.

Yes, Jesus put an end to sacrifices.

Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;


Jesus was the sacrificial lamb. He ended the need for sacrifices for those who believe in Him - the New Covenant!

 

[watchfulChristian]

There is no 7-year covenant. - not by Jesus, not by the antichrist.

Yes, just as all the sevens are 7 years so is the last one 7 years and it is a covenant by the prince of the Romans of the revived Roman empire (Rev. 18).

The covenant in Daniel 9 is the New Covenant, the acceptance of which seals us with the Holy Spirit, just like the 144,000.

The new covenant of the cross is not the covenant in Dan. 9.27 which was 2,520 days. Jesus never made any such covenant.

Paul understood it. Why can't you?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

No 7 year covenant. You're putting words into Paul's mouth.

Jesus confirmed the covenant, the new covenant, with many of Israel during his 3 1/2 year ministry. Jesus will confirm the covenant, the new covenant, with 144,000 of Israel during the final 3 1/2 years.

Daniel 9 is telling us about how Israel and Jerusalem will be reconciled back to God through Jesus, Messiah the Prince, the Prince that shall come. It's got nothing to do with the antichrist.

Jesus ministered for 3 years and never said anything about a 7 year covenant. 144,000 is protection of Jews during the Great Trib.

Dan. 9.24 speaks of that reconciliation. Even so to be saved an individual Jew must give his life to Christ.

 

[Markusanthem]

The Temple needs to be completed before the 2300 days start. There are 2300 days from April 21, 2016, day before passover, 4th day inspection of the lamb, to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

The Vatican will be nuked in 2016, 2017 or 2018.

Islam is utterly incapable of invading Iran. Israel would nuke Iran before that would ever happen. It will be the United Nations that walk into Israel under the head of the Antichrist whose army is that of USA and of Europe mostly.

You are jumping the gun a bit.

That's funny "wait and see"? As if I had a choice. lol.

There isn't 2300 days left. As soon as the church is removed, there's only 42 months left.

 

[watchfulChristian]

No, that is not the same at all.

It's the same.

Yes, Jesus put an end to sacrifices.

Sacrifices continued. They didn't end.

Jesus is the fulfilment of sacrifices, but Jesus made no 7 year treaty; nor do the 69th and 70th seven overlap; nor is Jesus the prince of the Romans. That's evil.

Daniel deals with atonement (Dan. 9.25), the destruction of Jerusalem (v.26), the Tribulation and Antichrist at the end of this age (v.27).

You have things ass backwards.

 

[watchfulChristian]

There isn't 2300 days left. As soon as the church is removed, there's only 42 months left.

Dan. 8.14 says it will take 2300 days to cleanse the Temple. Jesus steps down on the 2300th day in 2022 from the day before passover 2016 when the Red Heifer and Lamb are dedicated to the newly constructed Temple.

The Church is not removed. The body of Christ remains on earth to lead people to Christ still by the Holy Spirit.

What is removed are overcomer believers (Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) "before the throne" (7.9) before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the Tribulation commences its 7 years.

 

[Markusanthem]

Yes, just as all the sevens are 7 years so is the last one 7 years and it is a covenant by the prince of the Romans of the revived Roman empire (Rev. 18).

No, there is no seven year covenant. It says the covenant is confirmed for seven years.

The new covenant of the cross is not the covenant in Dan. 9.27 which was 2,520 days. Jesus never made any such covenant.

No, the new covenant is not seven years. There is no seven year covenant. The new covenant, which is eternal, is confirmed by Jesus with many for seven years.

No 7 year covenant. You're putting words into Paul's mouth.

Agreed - there is no seven year covenant. There is no seven year covenant mentioned in Daniel 9. There is no seven year covenant made by Christ. There is no seven year covenant made by the antichrist.

That is fiction.

It is Jesus who confirms the New Covenant with many of Israel for seven years, 3 1/2 of which is already complete.

Think about it: Daniel 9 is talking about how Israel is going to be reconciled to God through Messiah the Prince, the Prince that shall come and supposedly there's no mention of the New Covenant????

The covenant with many that is confirmed by Jesus is the New Covenant. It is the New Covenant that takes away the sins of Israel and completes all that is listed in Daniel 9:24.

Jesus ministered for 3 years and never said anything about a 7 year covenant.

No, Jesus' ministry was 3 1/2 years. He was born in the fall and died in the Spring. His ministry began when he was 30.

144,000 is protection of Jews during the Great Trib.

Yes, sealed and protected just like we are sealed and protected.

Dan. 9.24 speaks of that reconciliation. Even so to be saved an individual Jew must give his life to Christ.

Hence, the covenant that Christ confirms with many for one seven!