And how does the priest know the condition of Biden's soul?
Imagine you were denied? Just imagine that feeling of being in church, lining up for communion, and being denied.
And how does the priest know the condition of Biden's soul?
Imagine you were denied? Just imagine that feeling of being in church, lining up for communion, and being denied.
Oh, then having the world know because your priest talked to the media.
I’m sure it was a tough moment for Biden but maybe just maybe it will cause him to look deep and reconsider his position on abortion. Let’s face it the RC is stanchly pro-life and the priest has the responsibility of dispersing the Eucharist.And how does the priest know the condition of Biden's soul?
Imagine you were denied? Just imagine that feeling of being in church, lining up for communion, and being denied.
The minister of Holy Communion is not asked to discern the question of subjective guilt, but only whether there is an objective situation of sin.
To be “sinful”, one’s behavior must be objectively contrary to the dictates of faith or morals. CCC 1849-1853. Conduct that is offensive, irritating, distasteful, and so on, might or might not be sinful, yet, as the legislative history of Canon 915 makes clear, only sinful behavior triggers consequences for reception. Peters, Incrementa in Progressu 837. Canon 915 does not demand verification that would-be recipients are subjectively guilty for sinful behavior before withholding Holy Communion (canon law hardly expects ministers to read souls), but it does set out that one’s conduct must be sinful in the eyes of the Church (not necessarily those of the minister in question) to justify withholding the Eucharist. While extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion are likely to have some sense as to what kinds of behavior are “sinful”, they are unlikely to have the background necessary for illuminating factually close cases.
-The meaning of "Sinful" in Canon 915
That would be embarrassing, but receiving the Eucharist unworthily also has consequences (1 Cor 11:29). Sins such as supporting abortion also have consequences that go beyond embarrassment.
Public sin requires public rebuke. That is also an old Christian maxim.
I’m sure it was a tough moment for Biden but maybe just maybe it will cause him to look deep and reconsider his position on abortion. Let’s face it the RC is stanchly pro-life and the priest has the responsibility of dispersing the Eucharist.
FWIW I watched a gentleman turned away from the chalice at an Eastern Orthodox Parish for having coffee on his breath.
God bless you and no but that’s between you your priest and God.I had an abortion. I regret it to this day. Shall I be denied the rest of my life?
I am at the worst point in my life, and if I went to church on Sunday and was denied communion, I'd likely kill myself once home.
I guess this is why I feel for Biden. Just some background for you.
It all depends on which law do you revere most. If you are a Christian who will compromise God's will for a vote, you shouldn't be a politician.This is the sort of thing Americans were afraid of when JFK was running. The fear that Catholic politicians would be controlled by the Pope has pretty much vanished now, because of course there's no evidence for it. But it's disquieting to see the attempt made.
Biden does not advocate abortion. He accepts the Catholic position. However he thinks it's improper for the US to enforce it by law, since most of our citizens aren't Catholics.
Yes...he ought to be denied communion. But then again, he isn't Catholic. Only President of the United States.President Donald Trump is twice divorced thrice married, tells lies in public, boasts of his lewd desires and claims to have engaged in lewd acts so ought he be denied communion?
It's a tribal thing I think. Dressing in moral outrage isn't very convincing.
Really? What would my tribe be then?You spoke of tribes, and you made your tribe well known.
Really? What would my tribe be then?
By the way, I'd be careful about communion for every public figure because so many of them are involved in shady things. Mind you, many quite ordinary people are too so if admission to communion is to be tested my guess is that few would pass the test. Many Christians engage in things that would mark them as informally excommunicate. But perhaps the idea with communion is to heal the spiritually sick and make whole the damaged soul, if that is the case both Joe Biden and Donald Trump might be in need of the grace intended in communion.
I speak of the church universal, at least within the US.Not just a church but many churches and very many Christians.
Never heard of that denomination.I speak of the church universal, at least within the US.
If Trump is not a Christian, he would not want to take communion anyway, but I can guarantee he hasn't repented from anything.
What are your qualification for saying he has not repented?