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Featured Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by ClementofA, Dec 25, 2017.

  1. ClementofA

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    Can you find a single translation that reads the way you have translated 1 Cor.15:22?

    AS in Adam ALL die SO ALSO in Christ shall ALL be made alive (1 Cor.15:22)

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
  2. Doug Melven

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    Finding a correct translation never bothered you before, why should it now?
    You only use other translations when they fit your doctrine.
    If no translation fits your doctrine, you question the translators ability, why stop now?
     
  3. ClementofA

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    IOW you have blind faith in BDAG, like many people have in a church leader or a pope? You don't check their references for accuracy & you don't care that they purposely left out references that oppose their conclusions? Nor that other scholars oppose them? Or they might be biased or have filthy lucre as their motive via selling books, so would write things in agreement with those who would buy their books? Other scholars have pointed to the quote of Chrysostom, that refutes BDAG & BDAG omited. Why is that? Here it is again:

    "For that his[Satan's] kingdom is of this age,[αἰώνιος] i.e., will cease with the present age[αιώνι] ..." (Homily 4 on Ephesians, Chapter II. Verses 1-3).

    CHURCH FATHERS: Homily 4 on Ephesians (Chrysostom)

    Which also refutes your aionios theory that it's one definition is eternal. Even BDAG disagrees with you.

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

    "The Third Law of Theology: For every theologian there is an equal and opposite theologian."

     
  4. ClementofA

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    I provide correct translations. You provide none that supported what you stated. See the difference?

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

    "The Third Law of Theology: For every theologian there is an equal and opposite theologian."
     
  5. Der Alter

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    Two hundred years + before Augustine.
    ٠ “The Epistle of Barnabas” (70-130AD)
    The way of darkness is crooked, and it is full of cursing. It is the way of eternal death with punishment.
    ٠Ignatius of Antioch (110AD)
    Corrupters of families will not inherit the kingdom of God. And if they who do these things according to the flesh suffer death. how much more if a man corrupt by evil reaching the faith of God. for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him. (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1-2)
    ٠From Clement of Rome (150AD)
    If we do the will of Christ, we shall obtain rest; but if not, if we neglect his commandments, nothing will rescue us from eternal punishment (“Second Clement” 5:5)
    But when they see how those who have sinned and who have denied Jesus by their words or by their deeds are punished with terrible torture in unquenchable fire, the righteous, who have done good, and who have endured tortures and have hated the luxuries of life, will give glory to their God saying, ‘There shall be hope for him that has served God with all his heart!’ (“Second Clement” 17:7)
    ٠From “The Martyrdom of Polycarp” (155AD)
    This work was written by an Early Church Father (unknown author) and is dated very early in the history of Christianity. It describes the death of Polycarp, a disciple of the Apostle John, and also describes early teachings of the church:
    Fixing their minds on the grace of Christ, [the martyrs] despised worldly tortures and purchased eternal life with but a single hour. To them, the fire of their cruel torturers was cold. They kept before their eyes their escape from the eternal and unquenchable fire (“Martyrdom of Polycarp” 2:3)
    ٠From Tatian (160AD)
    We who are now easily susceptible to death, will afterwards receive immortality with either enjoyment or with pain.
    ٠From Athenagoras of Athens (175AD)
    We are persuaded that when we are removed from the present life we will live another life, better than the present one…or, if they fall with the rest, they will endure a worse life, one in fire. For God has not made us as sheep or beasts of burden, who are mere by-products. For animals perish and are annihilated. On these grounds, it is not likely that we would wish to do evil. (“Apology”)
    ٠From Theophilus of Antioch (181AD)
    Give studious attention to the prophetic writings [the Bible] and they will lead you on a clearer path to escape the eternal punishments and to obtain the eternal good things of God. . . . [God] will examine everything and will judge justly, granting recompense to each according to merit. To those who seek immortality by the patient exercise of good works, he will give everlasting life, joy, peace, rest, and all good things. . . . For the unbelievers and for the contemptuous, and for those who do not submit to the truth but assent to iniquity, when they have been involved in adulteries, and fornications, and homosexualities, and avarice, and in lawless idolatries, there will be wrath and indignation, tribulation and anguish; and in the end, such men as these will be detained in everlasting fire (“To Autolycus” 1:14)
    ٠From Irenaeus (189AD)
    …Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven,, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess’ to Him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all; that He may send ‘spiritual wickednesses,’ and the angels who transgressed and became apostates, together with the ungodly, and unrighteous, and wicked, and profane among men, into everlasting fire; but may, in the exercise of His grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept His commandments, and have persevered in His love, some from the beginning of their Christian course, and others from the date of their repentance, and may surround them with everlasting glory. (“Against Heresies” 1:10:10)
    The penalty increases for those who do not believe the Word of God and despise his coming. . . . t is not merely temporal, but eternal. To whomsoever the Lord shall say, ‘Depart from me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire,’ they will be damned forever (“Against Heresies” 4:28:2)
    ٠From Clement of Alexandria (195AD)
    All souls are immortal, even those of the wicked. Yet, it would be better for them if they were not deathless. For they are punished with the endless vengeance of quenchless fire. Since they do not die, it is impossible for them to have an end put to their misery. (from a post-Nicene manuscript fragment)
    ٠From Tertullian (197AD)
    These have further set before us the proofs He has given of His majesty in judgments by floods and fires, the rules appointed by Him for securing His favor, as well as the retribution in store for the ignoring, forsaking and keeping them, as being about at the end of all to adjudge His worshippers to everlasting life, and the wicked to the doom of fire at once without ending and without break, raising up again all the dead from the beginning, reforming and renewing them with the object of awarding either recompense. (“Apology” 18:3)
    Then will the entire race of men be restored to receive its just deserts according to what it has merited in this period of good and evil, and thereafter to have these paid out in an immeasurable and unending eternity. Then there will be neither death again nor resurrection again, but we shall be always the same as we are now, without changing. The worshipers of God shall always be with God, clothed in the proper substance of eternity. But the godless and those who have not turned wholly to God will be punished in fire equally unending, and they shall have from the very nature of this fire, divine as it were, a supply of incorruptibility (“Apology” 44:12–13)
    Therefore after this there is neither death nor repeated resurrections, but we shall be the same that we are now, and still unchanged–the servants of God, ever with God, clothed upon with the proper substance of eternity; but the profane, and all who are not true worshippers of God, in like manner shall be consigned to the punishment of everlasting fire–that fire which, from its very nature indeed, directly ministers to their incorruptibility. (“Apology” 48:12)
    If, therefore, any one shall violently suppose that the destruction of the soul and the flesh in hell amounts to a final annihilation of the two substances, and not to their penal treatment (as if they were to be consumed, not punished), let him recollect that the fire of hell is eternal — expressly announced as an everlasting penalty; and let him admit that it is from this circumstance that this never-ending "killing" is more formidable than a merely human murder, which is only temporal. — On the Resurrection of the Flesh Chapter 35
    ٠From Hippolytus of Rome (212AD)
    Standing before [Christ’s] judgment, all of them, men, angels, and demons, crying out in one voice, shall say: ‘Just is your judgment!’ … to the lovers of evil shall be given eternal punishment. The unquenchable and unending fire awaits these latter, and a certain fiery worm which does not die and which does not waste the body but continually bursts forth from the body with unceasing pain. No sleep will give them rest; no night will soothe them; no death will deliver them from punishment; no appeal of interceding friends will profit them (“Against the Greeks 3”)
    ٠From Felix Minucius (226AD)
    I am not ignorant of the fact that many, in the consciousness of what they deserve, would rather hope than actually believe that there is nothing for them after death. They would prefer to be annihilated rather than be restored for punishment… Nor is there either measure nor end to these torments. That clever fire burns the limbs and restores them, wears them away and yet sustains them, just as fiery thunderbolts strike bodies but do not consume them (“Octavius” 34:12–5:3)
    ٠From Cyprian of Carthage (252 AD)
    An ever-burning Gehenna and the punishment of being devoured by living flames will consume the condemned; nor will there be any way in which the tormented can ever have respite or be at an end. Souls along with their bodies will be preserved for suffering in unlimited agonies. . . . The grief at punishment will then be without the fruit of repentance; weeping will be useless, and prayer ineffectual. Too late will they believe in eternal punishment, who would not believe in eternal life (“To Demetrian” 24)
    Oh,what and how great will that day be at its coming, beloved brethren, when the Lord shall begin to count up His people, and to recognize the deservings of each one by the inspection of His divine knowledge, to send the guilty to Gehenna, and to set on fire our persecutors with the perpetual burning of a penal fire, but to pay to us the reward of our faith and devotion! (“To Thibaris” 55:10)
    ٠From Lactantius (307AD)
    But, however, the sacred writings inform us in what manner the wicked are to undergo punishment. For because they have committed sins in their bodies, they will again be clothed with flesh, that they may make atonement in their bodies; and yet it will not be that flesh with which God clothed man, like this our earthly body, but indestructible, and abiding forever, that it may be able to hold out against tortures and everlasting fire…The same divine fire, therefore, with one and the same force and power, will both burn the wicked and will form them again, and will replace as much as it shall consume of their bodies, and will supply itself with eternal nourishment …Then they whose piety shall have been approved of will receive the reward of immortality; but they whose sins and crimes shall have been brought to light will not rise again, but will be hidden in the same darkness with the wicked, being destined to certain punishment. (“Divine Institutes” 7:21)
    ٠From Cyril of Jerusalem (350AD)We shall be raised therefore, all with our bodies eternal, but not all with bodies alike: for if a man is righteous, he will receive a heavenly body, that he may be able worthily to hold converse with angels; but if a man is a sinner, he shall receive an eternal body, fitted to endure the penalties of sins, that he may burn eternally in fire, nor ever be consumed… (“Catechetical Lectures” 18:19)The real and true life then is the Father, who through the Son in the Holy Spirit pours forth as from a fountain His heavenly gifts to all; and through His love to man, the blessings of the life eternal are promised without fail to us men also. We must not disbelieve the possibility of this, but having an eye not to our own weakness but to His power, we must believe; for with God all things are possible. And that this is possible, and that we may look for eternal life, Daniel declares, And of the many righteous shall they shine as the stars forever and ever. And Paul says, And so shall we be ever with the Lord: for the being forever with the lord implies the life eternal. But most plainly of all the Savior Himself says in the Gospel, And these shall go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into life eternal. (“Catechetical Lectures” 18:28)
     
  6. ClementofA

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    Aside from the fact that doesn't address the rebuttal of Augustine's argument re Mt.25:46 in the OP, there is another thread for extra-biblical, uninspired, cherry picked, & mistranslated opinions of men, which your post was full of:

    Church Fathers & Universalism since Early Church times
     
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  7. ClementofA

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    Already addressed you here:

    John 3:36, 3:16, 1 Jn.1:2, aionios life:
    Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46

    You've never refuted what that says.

    Nor this:

    Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
    Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
    32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

    my threads:

    Have you been decieved by your Bible translation?

    For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

    Augustine's ignorance & error re Matthew 25:46
     
  8. Der Alter

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    IOW you have blind faith in high priestess Ramelli, Beauchemin, etc. like many people have in a church leader or a pope? You don't check their references for accuracy & you don't care that they purposely left out references that oppose their conclusions? Nor that other scholars oppose them? Or they might be biased or have filthy lucre as their motive via selling books, so would write things in agreement with those who would buy their books?
    ....Do any of your so-called sources such as high priestess Ramelli and Beauchemin ever, ever include any references which show any other view but theirs? The difference is, which I stated in my post and which you ignored, BDAG listed dozens of scripture and historical references supporting their translations. Nobody but nobody that you have quoted has done anything near that mostly just their unsupported opinion.

    Do you actually think that one verse quoted from Chrysostom refutes everything in BDAG? You have a serious problem. That is not the way language works. Nothing you have or ever could post refutes anything, especially a work like BDAG, too many credible references.

    Wrong again! We have the same situation here. What is the meaning of kosmos, commonly translated "world?"
    Mark 8:36
    (36) For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? [Matthew 26:13, Matthew 16:26, Luke 9:25]
    Romans 1:8
    (8) First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
    1 John 5:19
    (19) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
    Revelation 12:9
    (9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    Can a person literally gain the entire planet earth? Was the faith of the church at Rome literally spoken of throughout the entire world? Was the entire world literally deceived by Satan. Or is that a figure of speech?
    The fourth law of Theology is everyone who has a PC and/or a Strong's thinks they are a Greek and Hebrew scholar and knows more than any lexicon or scholar who ever lived.
    .....I am still waiting for the Greek for Origen Commentary on John bk. 13.60. What is the problem? All it takes is one click, you already have the TLG subscription.
     
  9. Der Alter

    Der Alter This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    Nonsense! You don't know how it works. Oh you mean extra-biblical, uninspired, cherry picked, & mistranslated opinions of men, which your posts are always full of? Is Origen inspired? Is Chrysostom inspired? Can you absolutely guarantee me that everything you post from your cherry picked etc. ECF are not mistranslated to favor UR? And I am still waiting for the Greek for Origen Commentary on John bk. 13.60. If you don't have anything to hide all it takes is one click.
     
  10. LoveofTruth

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    This simply refers to God's people who he judged in sin and put their face in the dust that there might be hope. If they were to humble themselves repent and seek his face in faith he would forgive and not cast off. The context of that section says as much. He talks of the many miseries of Jerusalem

    This also refers to the prophet and his own struggles .

    "How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!...3 Judah is gone into captivity because of affliction, and because of great servitude: she dwelleth among the heathen, she findeth no rest: all her persecutors overtook her between the straits........22 Let all their wickedness come before thee; and do unto them, as thou hast done unto me for all my transgressions: for my sighs are many, and my heart is faint."(Lamentations 1:1,3,22 KJV)

    " How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and
    cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!...18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night:"( Lamentations 2:1,18 KJV)


    and so we read

    "40 Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the Lord. 41 Let us lift up our heart with our hands unto God in the heavens."(Lamentations 3:40,41 KJV)

    You take this out of context and try to build a super structure out of it.

    Universalism is still a false doctrine. And your argument fails again.
     
  11. ClementofA

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    Prove it. How would you know, since you said you don't check the references. And you said people generally don't. Then people are told BDAG is the greatest resource & they simply believe that like blind mice blindly following a church or cult leader or a pope.

    Where do you think the Chrysostom reference came from? Not your precious BDAG. Or quotes from Origen? BDAG left those out too. Why? Or how about other universalist church fathers? BDAG excluded them too. Or how about other references to aionios as finite duration, e.g. Philo, LXX, etc, etc, etc. BDAG left out ALL of the above. Why? There is a pattern here, you see? It's called anti-universalist, book selling, filthy lucre bias. Or pro HellFire Club bias. Or both.

    Actually Ramelli, Keizer & others have done so. Often with full quotes given, even with Greek & English translations, unlike BDAG.


    It opposes BDAG. Obviously. Who said "everything"? And how would you know, having never verified BDAG references? Which are only a tiny, tiny fraction of ancient aionios usages.


    Do you have a point to make?

    I don't & have told you so several times already.


    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
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  12. ClementofA

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    Their opinions re theoogy are not inspired like your ECF mistranslations. But like references in BDAG they indicate how the ancients understood their own Greek language, which is the language of the NT. See the difference?


    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
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  13. ClementofA

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    The reference isn't to God's people, but "the sons of men":

    Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
    Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
    32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…

    That translation opposes your false dogma of endless torments.

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
  14. Der Alter

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    Meaningless hate filled diatribe. The very same thing can be said about all the anti-mainline Christianity rhetoric posted here and in all the UR sources you quote. It proves absolutely nothing. All URs are told high priestess Ramelli and other such writings are the greatest resource & they simply believe that like blind mice blindly following a church or cult leader or a pope. See how easy that is? Let me know if you want to address the topic instead of meaningless ad homs.
    .....If you paid the slightest bit of attention you know beyond any doubt everything you said does not apply to me and most people here on this forum. I don't take anything for granted I research everything. You might have missed me saying, I think it was yesterday, I shelled out about $150.00 for the Logos electronic edition of BDAG. But I have no intention of shelling out $140.00 for a year subscription to TLG.
     
  15. Der Alter

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    The opinions that you post are not inspired like the ECF mistranslations such as Origen, Clement etc. Meaningless diatribe you have not and never will prove that anything is a mistranslation. You do not have the requisite education and knowledge. All you are doing is saying anything which proves UR wrong is a mistranslation, etc.
     
  16. Doug Melven

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    I think Young himself may have had a different meaning for "age" than is normally thought of.
    Psalm 90:2
    Young's Literal Translation
    Before mountains were brought forth, And Thou dost form the earth and the world, Even from age unto age Thou art God.
    Most other versions say everlasting to everlasting.
    Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.
    Psalm 90:2 - Bible Gateway

    Unless Young meant to say that God was finite.
     
  17. LoveofTruth

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    No the sons of men there were the Jews and Jeremiah etc. God was dealing with His people. And the verses simply say that God will have compassion, mercy and love. It is of the Lord's mercies we are not consumed. Jesus said God makes the Sun to shine on the evil and the good. But that doesn't mean his wrath is not on all that do evil. God is angry at the wicked every day as s rupture team he's and yet he is also loving and reaches out to them in love. God cannot deny himself.

    But as we know from all scripture, that his mercy and compassion and love is shown in Jesus Christ and mens belief in him. then, and only then they "shall not be condemned", but if they do not repent and believe they "shall not see life, " but the wrath of God abides on them.

    To say they "shall not see life" is definitive. They shall not ever see it.
     
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    KJV (and almost all others) disagree with you:

    Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
    Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
    32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…

    It's "sons of men", BTW, not sons of the Jews or sons of Israel.


    The context is about eonian life, not eternal life. Such as life in the age (or eon) to come, e.g. the millennial age eon kingdom of Christ:

    "and in the coming eon, life eonian." (Lk.18:30, CLV)

    "He who is believing in the Son has life eonian, yet he who is stubborn as to the Son shall not be seeing life, but the indignation of God is remaining on him." (Jn.3:36)

    Unless, of course, they repent & believe. As all will do.

    At any time, in this life or the next, one believes, then they will "see life".

    All were once unbelievers & stubborn. Did that mean they could not "ever" see life, as you claim? Of course not. Otherwise we'd all be lost for "ever".

    Following your reasoning leads to everyone being lost for "ever", you yourself included.

    But Christ is the "Saviour of the world" (John 4), not as your theology says the Saviour of a few & eternal tormentor of many.

    And Christ is the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world (Jn.1:29), not the sin of a few & burn most in fire forever.

    "Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God"

    https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
     
  19. ClementofA

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    Good for you. Though what good will it do you when you don't even check the references but blindly believe it like a pope?

    Where do you think the Chrysostom reference came from? Not your precious BDAG. Or quotes from Origen? BDAG left those out too. Why? Or how about other universalist church fathers? BDAG excluded them too. Or how about other references to aionios as finite duration, e.g. Philo, LXX, etc, etc, etc. BDAG left out ALL of the above. Why? There is a pattern here, you see? It's called anti-universalist, book selling, filthy lucre bias. Or pro HellFire Club bias. Or both.
     
  20. ClementofA

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    The argument is based upon what scholars say, including those of the pro HellFire Boys Club:

    Your "qualified" men following the Douay & KJV traditions of men of "the church" of the Inquisitions, Crusades & dark ages have been caught in a deception (Jer.8:8-9):

    Considering, then, that the Greek word aionios has a range of meanings, biased men should not have rendered the word in Mt.25:46 by their theological opinions as "everlasting". Thus they did not translate the word, but interpreted it. OTOH the versions with age-lasting, eonian & the like gave faithful translations & left the interpreting up to the readers as to what specific meaning within the "range of meanings" the word holds in any specific context. What biased scholars after the Douay & KJV traditions of the dark ages "church" have done is change the words of Scriptures to their own opinions, which is shameful.

    Jeremiah 8:8 "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.
    9 "The wise men are put to shame, They are dismayed and caught; Behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD..."

    "After all, not only Walvoord, Buis, and Inge, but all intelligent students acknowledge that olam and aiõn sometimes refer to limited duration. Here is my point: The supposed special reference or usage of a word is not the province of the translator but of the interpreter. Since these authors themselves plainly indicate that the usage of a word is a matter of interpretation, it follows (1) that it is not a matter of translation, and (2) that it is wrong for any translation effectually to decide that which must necessarily remain a matter of interpretation concerning these words in question. Therefore, olam and aiõn should never be translated by the thought of “endlessness,” but only by that of indefinite duration (as in the anglicized transliteration “eon” which appears in the Concordant Version)."

    Eon As Indefinte Duration, Part Three

    "Add not to His words, lest He reason with thee, And thou hast been found false."(Prov.30:6)


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