Atomic clocks do not exist

[morse86]

This is really embarrassing. You all are just parroting rubbish you have memorized but not one of you can critically think. Don't give me "disconnected from reality" mathematics.

Let's focus on the point. A simple point. Does no atmosphere affect the atomic clocks even a little bit enough to make the tick rate fast so that it looks like "gravitational time dilation"? There is no amount of shielding that can protect sensitive instruments from solar flares.


For you "$cientists" and "twilight zone mathematicians", you may want to read this paper "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments": https://www.avaresearch.com/files/UnskilledAndUnawareOfIt.pdf

 

[Shemjaza]

This is really embarrassing. You all are just parroting rubbish you have memorized but not one of you can critically think. Don't give me "disconnected from reality" mathematics.

Let's focus on the point. A simple point. Does no atmosphere affect the atomic clocks even a little bit enough to make the tick rate fast so that it looks like "gravitational time dilation"? There is no amount of shielding that can protect sensitive instruments from solar flares.

You have just ignored every comment and argument people presented.

I have zero expectation that you will even consider what we write here, but I hope anyone reading this who thinks there's actual controversy will reconsider.

Atomic clocks in all environments on the Earth follow exactly the same time. Atomic clocks in different orbits all exactly follow the predictions of general relativity.

The mathematics of relativity developed by Einstein was around decades before actual applied nuclear science and space travel.

If the clocks in space were chaotic your silly idea might have merit, but they aren't.

You also haven't explained why atomic clocks work at all if relativity isn't accurate.

For you "$cientists" and "twilight zone mathematicians", you may want to read this paper "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments": https://www.avaresearch.com/files/UnskilledAndUnawareOfIt.pdf

The irony of you posting work about the Dunning–Kruger effect is preposterous. You are simultaneously dishonest, ignorant and completely closed minded. In short you are the perfect example of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action.

But the bizarre thing is that you still haven't explained why you dispute the action of outer space random solar effects on atomic clocks... but on other posts claim that outer space doesn't even exist.

Which is it?

 

[morse86]

Nice try, very subtle. Of course space doesn't exist, that isn't the argument though. I'm using your own evidence to prove atomic clocks (and time dilation) does not exist. I didn't say space clocks were chaotic. I said that solar flares increase the tick rate, which is why all atomic clocks tick faster...only parroting $cientists would call that "gravitational time dilation".

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Atomic clocks aboard GPS satellites are subject to other influences that could desynchronize them, such as solar flares. However, if scientists employed a network of clocks in the hunt, it would improve their chances of distinguishing between contaminated measurements said Dmitry Budker, a physicist at UC Berkeley.

I can find plenty of sources that state solar flares affect on atomic clocks. Atomic clocks work regardless of relativity. It really has nothing to do with relativity. It is counting atoms, that is all.

 

[Shemjaza]

Nice try, very subtle. Of course space doesn't exist, that isn't the argument though. I'm using your own evidence to prove atomic clocks (and time dilation) does not exist. I didn't say space clocks were chaotic. I said that solar flares increase the tick rate, which is why all atomic clocks tick faster...only parroting $cientists would call that "gravitational time dilation".

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I can find plenty of sources that state solar flares affect on atomic clocks. Atomic clocks work regardless of relativity. It really has nothing to do with relativity. It is counting atoms, that is all.

There's no evidence that solar flares are perfectly regular and perfectly vary by altitude and orbit to mimic the effects of relativity.

The effects of the sun are unpredictable, so your counter suggestion that solar and atmosphere effects can account for the variation is ridiculous.

In addition it beggars belief that the effects of the Sun, just happen to perfectly mimic the predicted effects of relativity.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Let's focus on the point. A simple point. Does no atmosphere affect the atomic clocks even a little bit enough to make the tick rate fast so that it looks like "gravitational time dilation"?

Dude, the atoms are in a vacuum chamber, so no: the atmosphere does not affect the atomic clocks.

For you "$cientists" and "twilight zone mathematicians", you may want to read this paper "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments": https://www.avaresearch.com/files/UnskilledAndUnawareOfIt.pdf

Irony meter broken. Speaking as a person with '$cientific' training, your incompetence is quite clear to me, but apparently you are unaware of it.

 

[morse86]

Dude, the atoms are in a vacuum chamber, so no: the atmosphere does not affect the atomic clocks.



Irony meter broken. Speaking as a person with '$cientific' training, your incompetence is quite clear to me, but apparently you are unaware of it.

Are you saying solar flares do not affect a vacuum chamber??!?!? Are you a conspiracy theorist?!?!?? Perhaps you read my question wrong. I asked, does having no atmosphere affect atomic clocks? The science evidence so far is yes.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Are you saying solar flares do not affect a vacuum chamber??!?!? Are you a conspiracy theorist?!?!?? Perhaps you read my question wrong. I asked, does having no atmosphere affect atomic clocks? The science evidence so far is yes.

Atmosphere is irrelevant, since the atoms are not exposed to the atmosphere or lack of it.

Otherwise, you have nothing new to offer. I dispensed with it in post #10.

Atomic clocks do not exist

 

[Shemjaza]

Are you saying solar flares do not affect a vacuum chamber??!?!? Are you a conspiracy theorist?!?!?? Perhaps you read my question wrong. I asked, does having no atmosphere affect atomic clocks? The science evidence so far is yes.

What evidence!?

 

[lesliedellow]

This is really embarrassing. You all are just parroting rubbish you have memorized but not one of you can critically think. Don't give me "disconnected from reality" mathematics.

Myself, I don't believe crow bars exist. This Archimedes guy is a pure invention, dreamt up by the Greeks to give their small country some spurious prestige. I mean, they actually thought they could measure the diameter of a flat Earth. How ridiculous is that?

Alternative Reality Base 13 here, come in number 2.

 

[Strathos]

Are you a conspiracy theorist?!?!??

I hope he's not. Or else he might propose something as ridiculous as as a worldwide conspiracy among every nation in the world, going back to the time of the Ancient Greeks, to lie about the shape of the earth.

 

[sjastro]

This is really embarrassing. You all are just parroting rubbish you have memorized but not one of you can critically think. Don't give me "disconnected from reality" mathematics.

A classic example of psychological projection where one’s own intellectual limitations are ignored but projected onto others.

Let's focus on the point. A simple point. Does no atmosphere affect the atomic clocks even a little bit enough to make the tick rate fast so that it looks like "gravitational time dilation"? There is no amount of shielding that can protect sensitive instruments from solar flares.

Why don’t we put it to the test by referring to an experiment done in 1959 at Harvard University, decades before GPS satellites, using a rudimentary atomic clock composed of unstable 57Fe emitting gamma rays.

This unstable Fe (iron) nucleus both emits and absorbs gamma radiation at the same frequency when emitter and absorber are located at the same horizontal level.

When the absorber and emitter where separated by a vertical distance of only 22.5 metres, with the emitter above the absorber, the photons emitted underwent a frequency change due to gravitational blueshift and were no longer absorbed.

Blueshift increases the frequency of the emitter which is now “ticking faster” than the absorber.

These clever $cientists, sorry researchers, then decided to put the emitter into a loudspeaker.
By changing the vibration of the loudspeaker which produced a varying Doppler shift relative to the absorber, they found that absorption reoccurred when the Doppler redshift of the moving emitter equalled the gravitational blueshift as predicted by GR.

In other words the Doppler redshift cancelled out the gravitational blueshift allowing absorption to reoccur.

This experiment as been modified over the years with ever increasing accuracy.
The point is that both emitter and absorber are in the same environment, in the same protective atmosphere and free from interference from solar flares.

That alone debunks your nonsense that the atmosphere (or lack of it) and solar flares should somehow miraculously conspire to produce exactly the same errors as predicted by GR (and SR).

For you "$cientists" and "twilight zone mathematicians", you may want to read this paper "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments": https://www.avaresearch.com/files/UnskilledAndUnawareOfIt.pdf

Apart from the sheer irony that has been pointed out, this is a classic anti intellectual response motivated by resentment against anyone who demonstrates an understanding and knowledge beyond your intellectual capabilities.

 

[lesliedellow]

For you "$cientists" and "twilight zone mathematicians", you may want to read this paper "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments": https://www.avaresearch.com/files/UnskilledAndUnawareOfIt.pdf

I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I read that.

 

[majj27]

Myself, I don't believe crow bars exist. This Archimedes guy is a pure invention, dreamt up by the Greeks to give their small country some spurious prestige. I mean, they actually thought they could measure the diameter of a flat Earth. How ridiculous is that?

Alternative Reality Base 13 here, come in number 2.

Oh, so you're one of those "Intelligent Leveraging" folks, eh?

Sorry, your setup was just too perfect.