Armageddon in Daniel 9 and Ezekiel 39

[Notrash]

What grreek word for know is used in acts one and what does it imply?

If Jesus cursed the fig tree, why would the disciples ask about restoring the kingdom to natiinal Israel? They were not. They were asking if it would then be restored FROM national Israel to people of faith in the Good Creator and of faith in the seed promised through Eve like the patriarch Israel (and the apostles were). His answer was that they would not (all) EXPERIENCE (KNOW) the feasts and festivals which had been fixed as a foreshadowing through the commemoration dates of the 40 yr wilderness wanderings. He had already told them in the Olivet that many would be taken and killed. John would end up remaining to witness and experience (all) the feasts and festivals over the next 40 yrs. That Jesus was referring to them experiencing tbe feasts and festivald is confirmed in the next sentence where he says (BUT) you will recieve power, which occurred at pentacost.

Deut 31 was clearly an instruction to read the book of deuteronomy (the law) every 7 yrs on the feast of tabernacles. It would be done after they crossed Jordan and appointed a place.

Again, read the book of the law from beginning to end a few times and imagine oneself standing besidea moses as he spoke the words.
Take note that the book of deuteronomy as well as the song of moses (deut 32; rev 15:3) including the prophecies of the latter end of the nation, was put in the Ark as a testimony AGAINST them.

 

[Douggg]

What grreek word for know is used in acts one and what does it imply?

If Jesus cursed the fig tree, why would the dusciples ask about restoring the kingdom ti natiinal Israel? They were not. They were asking if it would then be restored FROM national Israel to people of faith in the Good Creator and of faith in the seed promised through Eve like the patrirchs (and the apostles were).

Cursing the fig tree, and the disciples asking him about restoring the kingdom to Israel are two separate issues. And it doesn't say "national" Israel in the text. It is plainly talking about the Israel of King David, which Solomon was the last king of.

The disciples and all his followers in Jerusalem and the land were hoping that Jesus was the promised great King of Israel, son of David. Which he was, but was rejected and crucified by Jerusalem lead by the religious leadership.

The crucifixion did not change that Jesus is that promised great King of Israel, son of David, to sit on king David's throne which is of a united Israel. And the crucifixion did not change the prophecies in the old testament to Israel, the literal children of Israel, concerning that great king.

So, in Acts1, the disciples asked if he was going to restore the kingdom of Israel at that time. Which would have meant that Jesus would remove the Romans, and the pharisees and sadducees who lead the people astray.

His answer was it not for them to know the time and season when he would sit on King David's throne as the King of Israel, the restored kingdom. Which was just another way of saying "no" not right then at the immediate time.

Jesus's answer was definitely not what you wrote....

His answer was that they would not (all) EXPERIENCE (KNOW) the feasts and festivals which had been fixed as a foreshadowing through the commemoration dates of the 40 yr wilderness wanderings.

He had already told them in the Olivet that many would be taken and killed. John would end up remaining to witness and experience (all) the feasts and festivals over the next 40 yrs. That Jesus was referring to them experiencing tbe feasts and festivald is confirmed in the next sentence where he says (BUT) you will recieve power, which occurred at pentacost.

.... that is not at all what Jesus told them. Here is the text.

In Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Jesus was telling them it was not for them to know the times and seasons when he was going to restore the kingdom to Israel... but, although it was not for them to know that, it was for them to go spread the gospel and tell the world about Jesus. Receiving power from the Holy Spirit to do so.

Deut 31 was clearly an instruction to read the book of deuteronomy (the law) every 7 yrs on the feast of tabernacles. It would be done after they crossed Jordan and appointed a place.

Again, read the book of the law from beginning to end a few times and imagine oneselfþstanding besidea moses as he spoke the words.

Take note that the book of deuteronomy as well as the song of moses (deut 32; rev 15:3) including the prophecies of the latter end of the nation, was put in the Ark as a testimony AGAINST them.

You are only reading the parts condemning Israel, but ignoring the parts about them turning back to God and being saved in Christ, full of the Holy Spirit, and Israel being restored and all of the old testament prophecies regarding that fact. Like in Ezekiel 39:17-29. Which have zero to do with the church.

The prophecies are not like a set of balance scales. Some prophecies condemning Israel on one scale, weighed against some prophecies to Israel restored to her former glory among the nations on the other scale - and if you can collect enough prophecies on the condemnation side, then that how things turn out. That's not the way it works.

 

[Bible2]

Notrash said in post 61:

If Jesus cursed the fig tree, why would the disciples ask about restoring the kingdom to natiinal Israel?

Because the former was Old Covenant, whereas the latter is New Covenant. I.e., all genetic Jews in the church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). And this is necessary because all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), which is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A genetic Gentile believer can pray and ask which tribe of Israel he's been grafted into, and he will receive an answer from God, if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22), without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).

Also, the book of James was addressing "the twelve tribes" (James 1:1), which was the same as addressing people in the church (James 5:14), people with faith in Christ (James 2:1, James 1:3) (i.e. Christians), people who have been born again (James 1:18, cf. 1 Peter 1:23), who are waiting for Christ to return (James 5:7).

Notrash said in post 61:

If Jesus cursed the fig tree, why would the disciples ask about restoring the kingdom to natiinal Israel?

The question in Acts 1:6 is answered elsewhere in the scriptures (Acts 3:20-21, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Regarding "restoring the kingdom" to Israel (Acts 1:6), that means restoring the kingdom of Israel in a physical way in which it will bear fruit (Matthew 21:43), which won't happen until Jesus' 2nd coming (Acts 3:20-21, Zechariah 14:3-21).

Presently, the kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Timothy 4:18, Hebrews 12:22-24), and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Romans 14:17, Luke 17:21). But in the future, the kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Matthew 6:10). It will also be physically (Luke 22:30, Matthew 19:28) on the earth (Revelation 5:10), first during the future millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21), and then on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-8).

Jesus' kingdom is Israel (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). That's why at his 2nd coming, he will sit on the earthly throne of David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7), and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11) to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And he will bring salvation to all the still-living unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other still-living unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in him when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will become part of the church at that time, for there are now no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

After Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3, Zechariah 14:3-5) will occur the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:8-21), during which time the Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zechariah 8:22, Zechariah 14:9, Psalms 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isaiah 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-19). And the bodily resurrected church will reign on the earth with Jesus during the millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29). For the church is Israel (Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10).

 

[Douggg]

And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23).

Gentiles who become Christians are grafted in to being a chosen people. That does not mean Gentiles become Israel or the children of Israel.

Presently, the kingdom of God is in heaven (2 Timothy 4:18, Hebrews 12:22-24), and is on the earth spiritually within Christians (Romans 14:17, Luke 17:21). But in the future, the kingdom will come fully upon the earth as it is in heaven (Matthew 6:10). It will also be physically (Luke 22:30, Matthew 19:28) on the earth (Revelation 5:10), first during the future millennium (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21), and then on the new earth (Revelation 21:1-8).

Without checking on the referenced passages, I agree with the essence of what you are saying.

Jesus' kingdom is Israel (John 1:49, John 12:13-15, John 19:19, Luke 22:30). That's why at his 2nd coming, he will sit on the earthly throne of David (Luke 1:32-33, Isaiah 9:7), and restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, Acts 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Matthew 1:1, Matthew 21:15-16, Romans 1:3), of the house of David (Luke 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he will restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isaiah 16:5, Amos 9:11) to its royal glory (2 Samuel 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kings 17:21a). And Jesus will fulfill the prophecy and prayer of 2 Samuel 7:16-29. And he will bring salvation to all the still-living unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David. For they (along with all other still-living unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in him when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Zechariah 13:1,6, Romans 11:26-31). And so they will become part of the church at that time, for there are now no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

Jesus's Kingdom is more than Israel. He wears a diadem, which is many crowns. And of His Kingdom, all peoples, nations, tongues, kindreds, will serve Him, Daniel 7.

He will sit on the throne of David in Israel, when He returns, as the King of Israel. He will rule the nations with a rod of iron.

He is not coming back until Jerusalem welcomes Him as their King, Lord, and Savior, Matthew 23:39.

 

[Notrash]

Though your comments about the unified kingdom do indeed add some elements and chacteristics of Davids reign to the restoration of the kingdom to Israel, I find them supportive of the establishment if the kingdom to Israel the pre mosaic covt believer in God; i.e. the children of faith in the livemaker and of his incarnatiin.

a. the tabernacle of David was established in the apostles day. The gentiles came freely to worship jehovah in jerusakem with joy, song and dance under David until the ark returned.

B.In hosea 1 & 2, & especially 1:11 it says that those of judah would cone Up, out of the land (out of judah and even Israel) and be gathered together with believers under one king. Jasin tild the people he had another king (jesus) in acts 17. Thus the uniting of the kingdom would be OUTSIDE of the land and OUTSIDE of the doctrines and practices of the moosaic covt, including outside of any tribal or genetic pre-eminant or favored continuance. The israelites were considered "not a people of God after leaving the covt, intermarrying with others, and being dispersed in other lands. It was to be there outside of the mosaic covt elements that the believers in the nee king would flee to and be gathered together with those who the jews had considered to be NOT the people of Gid. There they would be called chilfren of the living Gid. Same name that Paul gives to christians in,Rom 9 and which is implied by the name "Israel".

There is another place where people are indirectly called "not the people of God". That is the day Moses read the book if deuteronomy. He said, befoere you were not a people, but today you have become the people of the living God (27:9 I think). The implications are that at that place (the decapolis) other peoples were called "not the people of God". It would be there that the believing refugees of Jerusalem woukd flee (allng with fleeing to the nort). It would be there, outside of the mosaic covt elements and principles that they would be gathered under and establish the favor of the creators kingdom.

c. It was 1000 yrs since Davids reign to the cross (more or less). If that has ANY significance, it can only hhappen one time in history. Davids 'seed' and influence continued through his son Solomon. He even spread that physical and cultural seed through other nations, but unfirtunately or providentially allowed the wives to worship in the way they chose. Likewise, Christ (or ISRAEL meaning sons of God) "seed" is continued those who recieve his person, doctrine, truths and law of justification and grace by faith within them in the same way Solomonþwas the continuation of Davids seed. (Rev 22 confirms a spiritual intent in fulfilling a foretype that Jesse, David, Solomon presented. David is a forepicturing of Jesus in the same qay solo
on is a forepicturing of the disciples and recievers of all peoples, especialðy from 30-70 AD, but continuing beyond.

The joining of the sticks in Ez 37 was another description of the same event and happenings that was in Hosea and as the prophetic foretype (fulfilled in Jesus/recievers) that the prophecies of the throne of David intended.

The prophets were not prophets to all humanity but to the people of the mosaic covt nation and would have needed to be fulfilled in the time alloted for that nation. (book of deuteronomy) Through them, though, all humanity can see and recieve Gods GOOD visitation and the approving and loving elements and ways of his kingdom within themselves (and effect change without)

I have a series of 4 questions a few posts back in post 58, that I was hoping you or one of the others could get to.

Also, again, what is the greek word for "kniw" in Acts 1:10,11? What would the terms times and seasons mean ti a 1st century jew who had been btought up in the mosaic covt environmeant and calander. ? ?

How did those standing there see jesus (confirming himself as the SAME presence of God that led those people out of Egypt) GO INTO HEAVEN??
Was it "in the flesh"?
as a lightening bolt? A
s a ball of fire?
as a dove?
An eagle?
How did the presence if God go into heaven?



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[Notrash]

Bible 2;
unless I misunderstand, some of your stuff seems racist. If gen 49:1-10 foretold the latter days of genetic inflence of the sons of jacob at the coming of shiloh, WHY ON EARTH would anyone call a believer gentile or non-gentile and why on earth would on be concerned about what "tribe" they werr "genetically" grafted into. Are you into that GMO stuff? Have you been eating too many GMO's.???

I do see where James is talking to the 12 ttibes; but the people of the nirthern dispersion were considered 'goy' or gentile by the jews. I actually wonder if most or many of the 'gentile' converts didn't have connections to the monotheist faith in the creator either through descendentary (new word) heritage or community associations with their stories.


Sorry, those comments seem off the wall to me.The good olive tree is God/Christ and his continuous coming and indwelling the human seed; not Israel if the genetic seed.

 

[Shocker]

Sorry, those comments are off the qasll. The good olive tree is God/Christ, not Israel.

God/Jesus Christ is actually the "root" of the tree.

Rom 11:16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.


The branches are either Jews, re-grafted Jews, or grafted Gentiles from the wild olive tree.

 

[Notrash]

Good clarification. I think yhis is another example of the forepicturing of Gods location.

The root is the GOOD FATHER/CREATOR/LOVER, the trunk is the GOOD SON/LOVER/CREATOR, and the branches areþthe adopted GOOD recievers (of whatever part of humanity. Grafted into the root and trunk, not into national israel or just left to grow wild.

 

[Bible2]

Douggg said in post 64:

Gentiles who become Christians are grafted in to being a chosen people. That does not mean Gentiles become Israel or the children of Israel.

Just as all believers are individual branches in the vine which is Jesus (John 15:5), the only way to salvation (John 14:6, Acts 4:12), so all believers are individual branches in the good olive tree of Israel, the Jews' own tree (Romans 11:17,24, Jeremiah 11:16-17). For all Jewish believers remain part of Israel (Romans 11:1) as the natural branches in the tree of Israel (Romans 11:24). And all Gentile believers have been grafted as branches from a wild olive tree into the tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29) so they can partake of the salvation of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), which is made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). This doesn't mean a wild branch becomes a natural branch, that a Gentile believer becomes a genetic Jew, but that Gentile believers, even while remaining branches from a wild olive tree, even while remaining genetic Gentiles, are still grafted in to become part of the good olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17,24).

Similarly, all those in the church, whether Jews or Gentiles, are spiritually Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:29). And Abraham's seed is Israel (Isaiah 41:8, Romans 11:1; 2 Chronicles 20:7). So the entire church is Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). Not just the Jews in the church (e.g. Romans 11:1b), but also the Gentiles in the church are spiritually Abraham's seed of promise (Romans 9:7,8,24), as Isaac was (Galatians 4:28), and as Jesus is (Galatians 3:16,29). And so Gentiles in the church, along with Jews in the church, are heirs of all the promises made by God to Israel (Ephesians 3:6, Ephesians 2:12,19, Romans 15:27, Galatians 3:29b, Romans 11:17,24).

 

[Douggg]

Notrash, you made a post full of preterist incoherency. Please write in an understandable form of English.

Gentile Christians have not become Israel. Gentile Christians were never Israel. Gentile Christians never split into the northern nation of 10 tribes and the southern nation of 2 tribes.

The uniting of the 2 sticks has nothing to do with gentile Christians.

The country is there for the whole world see. Preterists, historists, them who think the Pope is the Antichrist, black Hebrew Israelites, Jehovah's witnesses, all have to deny Israel of the bible.... because to admit that God has done what He said He would do concerning Israel bringing them back into the land, a united nation, would be to invalidate their views, which those views have become sacred cows.

 

[ebedmelech]

In my 4 books and website with over 500 articles on Bible prophecy, I have surely read and written about ALL prophecy. Although, for sure, in that amazing book -the Bible, I still find information and details that enlighten the Prophetic Word.
As for Ezekiel 21:18-27 Yes, that passage does prophesy about the Babylonian conquest. It is a description of the first 'swing of the Sword'. Another example of fulfilled prophecy and how King Zedekiah was 'overturned' and there will be no King in Jerusalem until the One comes who is the rightful Ruler.
Then Ezekiel 21:28-32 is a unfulfilled prophecy against the Ammonites. [Jordanians] How the Sword of the Lord will flash like lightning and they will be fuel for the fire, with not even a memory of them left.

No sir...not when you understand it and read all of it. You let Ezekiel tell you...you don't bring your ideas about it to the passage.

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

I thought you didn't have Gog as the same as any of the beasts/symbols in Revelation.

Gog will be buried.
The beast and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

Ezekiel 39 can't happen before the time of the man of sin, as verse 22 refers to how the
house of Israel will know this "I am the LORD their God from that day and forward."
The ac wouldn't be able to later deceive them.

I don't have Gog as any of the beasts/symbols in Revelation.

Verse Ezekiel 39:22 is after 17-20, which is the Armageddon event. Everything following 20 is of Jesus having returned to earth.
There are 7 years between verse 16 and 17.

The feast on Gog's army is in Ezekiel 39:4. Seven years later is the separate Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Everything thereafter in Ezekieli 39 is from the perspective of Jesus having returned to earth.

Doug's interpretation of the villains of the end times in parenthesis.
(updated: 5/31/2015)
Old Testament
King of Babylon - Isaiah 14 (to Satan, and the slain man of sin, kicked out of the grave)
Prince of Tyre - Ezekiel 28 (to the slaying of the revealed man of sin)
King of Tyrus - Ezekiel 28 (to Satan, to be cast down to earth)
Gog - Ezekiel 38, 39, (Most likely the Muslim leader of the muslim coalition)
The ten kings - Daniel 2 (EU end times kings, leaders)
The ten kings - Daniel 7 (same EU end times kings, leaders)
little horn - Daniel 7, 8 (leader of EU, equivalent of the US president)
King of fierce countenance - Daniel 8 (leader of the EU, later becomes the beast of Revelation)
prince who shall come - Daniel 9 (leader of the EU, who becomes King of Israel, the Antichrist)
The willful King - Daniel 11 (the beast of Revelation 13, no longer the Antichrist)
King of the north - Daniel 11 (King of the global north countries, eastern hemisphere)
King of the south - Daniel 11 (King of the global south countries, eastern hemisphere)
The Assyrian - Micah 5 (likely to be Gog, leader of Gog/Magog)

New Testament
Antichrist shall come - 1John2:18 (future anointed illegitimate King of Israel, instead of Jesus)
Son of Perdition - 2Thessalonians2:4 (The Antichrist as he thinks he has achieve God-hood)
Revealed man of sin - 2Thessalonians2:4 (the person reveals his involvement into the occult, by claiming to be God)
Abaddon - Revelation 9 (the leading angel of the bottomless pit)
The beast who asendeth ouf of the bottomless pit - Revelation 11 (the beast spirit possesses the come back to life man of sin)
Great Red dragon - Revelation 12 (Satan)
The beast - Revelation 13, 14, 16, 19 (The final stage of the person originally the little horn leader of EU)
First beast - Revelation 13 (dual meaning, the end time Roman Empire, and possessed come back to life man of sin)
Second Beast - Revelation 13 (the false prophet, may claim to be Elijah)
False prophet - Revelation 16, Revelation 19 (the false prophet)
Kings of the east - Revelation 16 (the Asian countries lead by China)_
Scarlet beast - Revelation 17 (Satan)
The great harlot - Revelation 17 (the RCC, Vatican to be destroyed)
Beast in the bottomless pit - Revelation 17 (a former person, now a disembodied spirit, Nimrod?)
The ten kings - Revelation 17 (the ten EU leaders)
Gog Magog - Revelation 20 (the eastern hemisphere collection of nations surrounding Israel)

 

[Straightshot]

"I don't have Gog as any of the beasts/symbols in Revelation"


My comments

The Lord refers to Satan and calls him "gog" ..... this notation is related to the "rebelling nations" instigated by Satan .... "ma" gog means "all" of gog's constituents .... Satan's collective human intransigence against the Lord in the rebellion

The first collective of human intransigence against the Lord shortly after the flood was the "land" of Magog and his brothers Mesheck and Tubal in northwestern Mesopotamia .... the other center of rebellion at the time was located in the "land" of Nimrod southward at Babel

Satan will operate out of the same northern enclave [the "land" of magog] at the time of the end .... and he is the one who will instigate and initiate his ploy to destroy Israel through his beast, the human little horn of Daniel's visions, and his human followers [Ezekiel 38:17]

Satan's entire ploy will fail, his human following will be buried at the battle of Armagedon, his beast will be destroyed in the lake of fire, and Satan will be sent to the abyss

This same devil [gog] will again cause another collective human rebellion [magog] after his release from the abyss 1000 years later ..... and this time he will be destroyed forever

 

[Douggg]

"I don't have Gog as any of the beasts/symbols in Revelation"


My comments

The Lord refers to Satan and calls him "gog" ..... this notation is related to the "rebelling nations" instigated by Satan .... "ma" gog means "all" of gog's constituents .... Satan's collective human intransigence against the Lord in the rebellion

The first collective of human intransigence against the Lord shortly after the flood was the "land" of Magog and his brothers Mesheck and Tubal in northwestern Mesopotamia .... the other center of rebellion at the time was located in the "land" of Nimrod southward at Babel

Satan will operate out of the same northern enclave [the "land" of magog] at the time of the end .... and he is the one who will instigate and initiate his ploy to destroy Israel through his beast, the human little horn of Daniel's visions, and his human followers [Ezekiel 38:17]

Satan's entire ploy will fail, his human following will be buried at the battle of Armagedon, his beast will be destroyed in the lake of fire, and Satan will be sent to the abyss

This same devil [gog] will again cause another collective human rebellion [magog] after his release from the abyss 1000 years later ..... and this time he will be destroyed forever

I can see your rationale in thinking "Gog" is a code name for Satan. Too bad you haven't made an effort to produce a list similar to mine with your interpretations beside each villain's name.

It doesn't change that there are 7 years between the destruction of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4 and the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20.


1Chronicles5:
2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:

3 The sons, I say, of Reuben the firstborn of Israel were, Hanoch, and Pallu, Hezron, and Carmi.

4 The sons of Joel; Shemaiah his son, Gog his son, Shimei his son,

Ezra 2:13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

Ezra 8:13 And of the last sons of Adonikam, whose names are these, Eliphelet, Jeiel, and Shemaiah (666?), and with them threescore males.

 

[Straightshot]

I see no connection with item #4 ... the only other place where gog is noted in scripture except in Revelation 20


"It doesn't change that there are 7 years between the destruction of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4 and the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20."


The attack upon Israel will come at the middle of the 70th week decreed and then Ezekiel sees the ending battle of Armageddom

The burning of the battle gear will continue on into the first part of the Lord's millennial kingdom extending beyond the shorter period of the cleansing of the land by Israel

 

[Douggg]

I see no connection with item #4 ... the only other place where gog is noted in scripture except in Revelation 20


"It doesn't change that there are 7 years between the destruction of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4 and the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20."


The attack upon Israel will come at the middle of the 70th week decreed and then Ezekiel sees the ending battle of Armageddom

The burning of the battle gear will continue on into the first part of the Lord's millennial kingdom extending beyond the shorter period of the cleansing of the land by Israel

The 7 years of burning the war implements instead of wood (the diesel) in the text of Ezekiel 39 comes after the feast on Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:4, but are not mentioned after the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

 

[Straightshot]

Well you and I differ on this matter

Both the burning of the weapons materials and the clean up must be in conjunction with the aftermath of the battle of Armageddon [Ezekiel 38; 39; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21] .... comparisons reveal an exact copy

It is just that the burning will extend into the millennial kingdom

Just as the Lord will require Israel to clean up, He will also allow for the burning so that Israel can conserve forestation .... He could supernaturally do these things, but will not

Ezekiel sees the invasion of Satan's mustering at the middle of the 70th week decreed [Jeremiah 30; Joel 2:20; Zechariah 12, 14; Micah 5:5-6; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 13:1-5; 12:6; 12:14].... and then the battle of Armageddon at the ending of the second 1260 days [42 months]

Neither do I agree with Salus, Reagan, and Jones .... that Ezekiel sees a separate war outside of the 70th week involving Russia .... this thing is not in any of the prophets' visions

.... not even Israel's wars from 1948 forward are in any prophet's vision

The rapture ready crowd like these guys above and Hal Lindsey still try to hang on to their older predictions and will not give over to a correct rendering for fear of loosing credibility .... they should be willing to make adjustment when the need is discovered

Salus also says that Israel will receive expanded territory to the Euphrates after his ficticious war with Russia and the Muslims in collusion and that the Muslims will be wiped out of the Middle East as a result [this idea is absurd for many reasons]

Israel will not be expanded until after the battle of Armageddon at the ending of the 70th week decreed of which the expansion will come in the Lord's millennial kingdom .... not before

Salus then proceeds to speculate that Israel will be attacked in another war brought on by a Euro-centric "antichrist .... again he struggles to hang on to past thinking and attempts to build things into the visions .... all of this is not scriptural, but speculative

What these speculators do not see [Lindsey is bending a bit] is the current setting in the Middle East where the visions of the prophets are all focused

The northern little horn of Daniel's visions and his 10 other kings will fall at Armageddon ... and these are the Muslims of the region heading for their destruction by the Lord when they attack Israel at the middle of the 70th week decreed

 

[Douggg]

Well you and I differ on this matter

Both the burning of the weapons materials and the clean up must be in conjunction with the aftermath of the battle of Armageddon [Ezekiel 38; 39; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21] .... comparisons reveal an exact copy

It is just that the burning will extend into the millennial kingdom

Just as the Lord will require Israel to clean up, He will also allow for the burning so that Israel can conserve forestation .... He could supernaturally do these things, but will notuslims of the region heading for their destruction by the Lord when they attack Israel at the middle of the 70th week decreed

The clean up is 7 months. The clean up is not going to be done while Israel is in a time of stress (such as in the second half of the seven years) when 666 is being implemented and the judgments are falling upon the world. No, the cleanup is the first 7 months of the 7years and Israel thinks she has entered the messianic age. If you read the clean-up verses again in Ezekiel 39, you will see that it is in a time of peace.

You have to say that the burning of the the weapons implements extends into the millenium 3 1/2 years because you have the timing wrong of Ezekeil38/39 and have not other choice.

 

[BABerean2]

Gabriel, the mighty angel, who delivered the 70 weeks message to Daniel, at the time probably didn't even know what "the war" was, since Revelation wasn't given until Jesus opened the seals, which within them Armageddon was revealed.

It is my understanding that Gabriel, the Apostle John, and Jesus are all getting their information from the same source.
God is outside of time and space.