Americans say country is on wrong track, but votes to stay on it

[loveofourlord]

I don't blame Trump for that one. Although Trump badly bungled the recovery, I blame COVID-19 for the huge job loss. On the other hand, it's a good factoid to bring up when people start blaming presidents for economic woes that are beyond their control.

he isn't to be blamed for covid, but he is for the handling, it probably hvbe still been bad, btu could have been less so if he had done anything about it rather then complain about it for months.

 

[rambot]

In numerous polls prior to the 2022 mid-term election, Americans say they believe America is on the wrong track, or headed in the wrong direction. With democrats in power in both the executive and legislative level, it makes sense that they would not vote to keep the same people in power, but demand change. But instead of change, we appear to be headed for more of the same if the final vote tally continues to indicate that democrats will continue to be the majority in power.
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"Nearly three-quarters of voters in a new poll said they believed things in the U.S. were headed in the wrong direction.

An NBC News poll revealed just 21 percent of voters feel the nation is headed in the right direction, while 74 percent think the opposite.

Over half of respondents, or 58 percent, said they feel “more worried that America’s best years may already be behind us,” while 35 percent feel more confident the best years are still ahead.

About a third of respondents, or 34 percent, said they think the state of the nation will worsen over the next five years. Just two percent more, or 36 percent, said they think things will get better in that same time period, and 21 percent said they think things will stay the same."

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...e-says-us-headed-in-wrong-direction-nbc-poll/

Other polls:
Polls find majority of Americans say country is heading in wrong direction | CNN Politics

74% of voters say country is on the wrong track, Biden's job approval stays low: poll

Yes, even in Arizona:
NEW ARIZONA POLL: Majority Say America on Wrong Track; Trust Free Market over Tech Regulation

Taking away, or even threatening to take away a woman's bolidy autonomy ended up having an affect on Gop success. Perhaps they thought THAT was the qrong direction.

 

[mark46]

Questions for Election Day 2024

Q1) Are you better off than you were 4 years ago

Q2) Do you wish to have the changes that the Republicans are proposing? These are likely at least to include reductions in Social Security, reductions in Medicare, reductions in federal health care (especially Obamacare, and aid to Medicaid), and a federal ban on abortions.

 

[rambot]

Questions for Election Day 2024

Q1) Are you better off than you were 4 years ago

Q2) Do you wish to have the changes that the Republicans are proposing? These are likely to include at least include reductions in Social Security, reductions in Medicare, reductions in federal health care (especially Obamacare, and aid to Medicaid), and a federal ban on abortions.

DING!

 

[Aldebaran]

This is America. A freedom loving people. A people that understand that freedom isn’t free. And while one party has led us to thinner wallets, the other side is creeping authoritarianism and when it comes to a choice to what is valued more, money or freedom, Americans choose freedom.

Freedom to do what? Riot in the streets, censor the speech of others they don't agree with, freedom to soon not be able to drive a gasoline powered vehicle?

 

[Aldebaran]

Don't try to pretend that Trump doesn't continue to have a massive influence on the Republican Party.

Only in the minds of those who feel the need to hold him up as some sort of boogeyman to blame everything on.

 

[Aldebaran]

As I mentioned, not all her ideas are fabulous. But she's willing to give the effort to find solutions to problems. She has an infectious energy that resonates with voters. I wish more politicians would give more of themselves to better America.

Maybe Trump should make Tik-Tok vids of himself dancing around, or fake-crying at the border fence. Then he would be able to please the people who want someone with infectious energy.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Part of the wrong track we're on is the increasing acceptance of election-denying, violent nationalist rhetoric coming from one party. One way to get off that track is to make sure those candidates lose.

 

[Aldebaran]

I think people are smart enough to realise that whoever sits in the WH can't single handedly reverse global trends. Which is what each of those points you raised are. You think it's enough to raise them and then point to Biden and blame him.

It's an incredibly insular viewpoint. And you haven't done much to reverse the impression that you are not up to speed with what's happening outside the US and why it's happening. The GOP (and yourself) has cried 'wolf' so many times that people are getting tired of it. It's all negative. The sky is falling! But it's not.

And where there is some pain, the whole planet is sharing it. Our mortgage rates are only about 1% lower than yours (but our median house prices are double yours). I pay 50% more than you do for gas. Our inflation rates are about the same. Is our government to blame? No...it's a global problem. We don't have a land border so we don't have problems with illegal immigrants to your extent. But Europe has a much bigger problem.

And you complain about crime with a lot of hand waving, but crime rates, by any measure, up to and including this year, have been falling since 2019. As sure as God made little green apples, if the last guy was still in office you'd be boasting about it.

I stopped reading what you wrote after the first line since the rest of it probably follows the same straw man reasoning. Nobody expects someone in the White House to single handedly do anything, but that person obviously can set up policies that influence the economy in big ways.

 

[Aldebaran]

Part of the wrong track we're on is the increasing acceptance of election-denying, violent nationalist rhetoric coming from one party. One way to get off that track is to make sure those candidates lose.

What you describe seemed to work for one party this time around. It was simply an extension of the violence of the Summer of 2020 that intimidated people to vote the current regime into power and was intimidated once again into not voting them back out of power.

 

[Aldebaran]

You still believe in polls?

Only if I don't want to be called an election denier.

 

[Aldebaran]

A look at Trump's economic legacy

Yet as he leaves after his one-term tenure, Trump has become the first president since Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression to depart office with fewer jobs in the country than when he entered.
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Perhaps voters have a longer, better memory than this post is giving them credit for.

ABC news? Seriously???

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Freedom to do what? Riot in the streets, censor the speech of others they don't agree with, freedom to soon not be able to drive a gasoline powered vehicle?

Freedom to love who they want (As high court signals Roe v. Wade reversal, states eye same-sex marriage protections), freedom to read the books they want (Banned in the USA: The Growing Movement to Censor Books in Schools), freedom to vote without being intimidated (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-armed-militia-presence-at-some-polls.html), freedom to vote for a party not in power (Republican says party ‘will never lose another election’ in Wisconsin if he wins). Freedom isn’t free and this week many Americans made their voice known at the ballot box that a few dollars less in their pockets is an acceptable sacrifice for those freedoms.

 

[Aldebaran]

Freedom to love who they want (As high court signals Roe v. Wade reversal, states eye same-sex marriage protections), freedom to read the books they want (Banned in the USA: The Growing Movement to Censor Books in Schools), freedom to vote without being intimidated (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/06/election-officials-facing-armed-militia-presence-at-some-polls.html), freedom to vote for a party not in power (Republican says party ‘will never lose another election’ in Wisconsin if he wins). Freedom isn’t free and this week many Americans made their voice known at the ballot box that a few dollars less in their pockets is an acceptable sacrifice for those freedoms.

Freedom to force other people to say things they know aren't true (I'm a woman, not a man! Say it!), freedom to groom young children to accept sexually perverse ideology against the wishes of the parents (who are labeled as "terrorists" if they speak out), freedom to make sure an election is secure by taking part in the observation process?

 

[Valletta]

I don't believe in politics, I don't vote and if I did cast a ballot, I would write in "Jesus is King" all down the ballot unless someone that I can trust to run the local city that I'm living in than I'll vote for that person but other than that I don't get involved with politics.

Political discussions however I'm completely in trenches, LOL.

That's too bad, we need more God-fearing people to vote.

 

[Brihaha]

Maybe Trump should make Tik-Tok vids of himself dancing around, or fake-crying at the border fence. Then he would be able to please the people who want someone with infectious energy.

Trump's energy has certainly infected many Americans with delusions of grandeur lol.

 

[Brihaha]

Q2) Do you wish to have the changes that the Republicans are proposing? These are likely at least to include reductions in Social Security, reductions in Medicare, reductions in federal health care (especially Obamacare, and aid to Medicaid), and a federal ban on abortions.

Rick Scott's proposals went over like a chlamydia outbreak in the Villages haha!

 

[FenderTL5]

Don't try to pretend that Trump doesn't continue to have a massive influence on the Republican Party.

Only in the minds of those who feel the need to hold him up as some sort of boogeyman to blame everything on.

It would seem that it is also true for a few that believe Make America Great Again was more than just a campaign slogan.
For example:

You mean a path to actually make America great again?

 

[JSRG]

freedom to vote for a party not in power (Republican says party ‘will never lose another election’ in Wisconsin if he wins)

So let's look at what the article you link to says, or rather the quote they present:

"The Republican candidate for governor in Wisconsin told supporters at a campaign event that if he is elected his party “will never lose another election” in the state."

Is it not extremely suspicious that the only quote they offer is "will never lose another election"? Should not the full context be presented? It's not even a full sentence he's quoted as saying! Nor does it offer any actual other quote from him from the speech he was giving to indicate he was saying anything about preventing people from voting for their preferred candidate--instead, to try to argue that was what he was saying, it offers a quote from his opponent saying that's what he was saying (because, you know, his opponent has no bias at all in this matter).

The quote, as it turns out, was taken out of context. As another article explains:

But his statement on Halloween came after he spent about two minutes talking about what he’s heard from two groups who traditionally vote for Democrats: inner-city Black people in Milwaukee and union members.

People in Milwaukee’s Harambee neighborhood tell him “they want to get crime down, they want to have better educational opportunities for their sons and daughters,” he said. “Their platform, their interests, is the same thing as my platform.”

Then he channels the “trades guys,” whom he says he runs into “all the time.”

“’They tell us to vote for the Democrats all the time,’” Michels says they tell him, “’but I tell you what: I’m voting for you, and everybody at work I know is voting for you because the Democratic Party has left us. It’s all about the acronyms. It’s all about LGBTQ and CRT and BLM. I just want to go to work, raise my family, go to church on Sunday, go to my kid’s ballgame, and the Democratic Party doesn’t care about any of that.’ Republicans will never lose another election in Wisconsin after I’m elected governor.”

Source: Tim Michels: 'Republicans will never lose another election' ... because they'll do such a great job

Interestingly, even the article you linked to seems to have to admit that this was the context, as it includes this (towards the end, though, making it less likely to be noticed):

"A spokesperson for Michels said the candidate’s remark about never losing an election was not an indication the Republican would seek to thwart the will of the people.

“While revving up supporters to get out and vote, Tim was referring to winning and leading and then being rewarded by voters for doing a good job,” the spokesperson said."

Yeah, Michels phrased it badly and made it easy to take it out of context, but it's still taken out of context. It does not look good when one of the examples is taken so out of context.

 

[Aldebaran]

It would seem that it is also true for a few that believe Make America Great Again was more than just a campaign slogan.
For example:

Yeah, how dare Americans want to make their country great again!