Working Class Ditching Dem Party In Droves As Some Say It’s ‘Fighting For Everybody Else’ Besides Americans

[GoldenBoy89]

Both Hillary's and Harris's campaigns were way too much about Trump.

What was Biden’s campaign about?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Support for both major political parties in the United States has changed over time. Democrats, who were previously associated with blue-collar Americans, no longer receive predominant support from this group. Historically, conservatives gained support from Americans who favored free trade, free markets, and less regulation, while a movement within conservatism promoted the spread of democracy abroad. Currently, the Republican Party promotes an "America First" policy, advocating reduced global leadership and prioritizing national interests over international engagement.

One consistent pattern is that blue-collar working class has typically not been linked to Black, Hispanic, or immigrant workers, but rather to White working class Americans. Since President Obama's election in 2008, this group has shifted significantly toward the GOP. These demographic factors will continue to be associated with the GOP until the party either becomes irrelevant or is unable to secure a national election victory.

President Trump made significant efforts in 2024 to attract voters who traditionally support the Democratic Party. He received a higher percentage of the Hispanic vote than any Republican candidate in the past fifty years; however, the majority of Hispanic voters still supported the Democratic nominee. Additionally, President Trump garnered more support from African American voters than any other GOP candidate in the last fifty years, though approximately 80% of African American voters continued to vote for the Democratic Party. President Trump gained significant support among young voters; however, 55% of voters under 35 still chose Democrats.

It remains to be seen whether these voters will continue to support the GOP or if their vote was a single occurrence influenced by concerns about inflation and the economy.

But here are the facts

• In seven of the last nine presidential elections, the Democratic candidate received the most votes in the American popular vote.
• Over the past 50 years, less than 20% of African American voters have supported Republican candidates in each election.
• Past 50 years, most Hispanic voters have voted for Democratic candidates.
• Past 50 years, majority women have also tended to support Democratic candidates.
• Past 50 years, majority Americans under age 35 have generally favored Democratic candidates.
• Past 50 years majority of voters with a college degree have chosen Democratic candidates.
• In addition, about 80% of non-Hispanic immigrants have supported Democratic candidates during the last five decades.

One poll, two polls, or even fifty polls do not provide meaningful results. It takes at least three to four election cycles to observe any genuine trends or changes within the demographics.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I'm speaking of the church's very clear position on Protecting Babies and speaking out on homosexuality. You response is not based in fact and is vaguely reminiscent of something? If you are going to promote the teaching of the church - you really cannot cherry pick which teaching you choose to follow.

Disclaimer, I'm not Catholic. Catholic moral teaching is historically deep, robust, and complex. It doesn't just say abortion and homosexuality are wrong, it speaks to a great deal of the human experience--it speaks to social conditions, such as poverty, economic injustice. The pro-life stance of the Catholic Church doesn't just say "abortion wrong", but speaks to the social conditions which also enable or encourage abortion; and it also covers non-abortion related subjects such as war, justice, and the treatment of refugees and immigrants.

Even going beyond the specifics of Catholic moral teaching, the historic moral teaching of Christianity has been deep. And reducing it to "crotch morality", which is basically what has happened in America, is not only a deeply troubling dumbing down of Christian moral teaching, it seems to dumb it down to the point of actually going full circle to just anti-Christian morality. The Church, historically, has a lot to say about corrupt leaders, hoarding wealth, about moral injustice and economic injustice--going back to the Bible itself, and not just the New Testament, but the Old Testament as well.

I don't think Christian moral teaching is actually very popular for many American Christians. Because taking it seriously would mean having to face the uncomfortable reality of our own complicity in perpetuating social evils. And there is a great deal of history of Christians being complicit--and perpetrating--major social evils. And no, we don't get to pawn off every bad Christian as "not a true Christian"--it has to be addressed and engaged head-on, bull by the horns. If we don't, then we cease to be a people who take a penitential posture toward God and neighbor, which is our deep calling in Christ to be a people of grace, mercy, and humility--a people defined not by temporal glory, but by Suffering and the Cross.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BCP1928]

I wholeheartedly agree labor has been neglected by the Democrats. If Bernie and AOC can get that message out, they might have a good chance. Newsome too.

-- A2SG, guess we'll see...the midterms could be very interesting, if Democrats don't muck up the opportunity.....

Success lies in control of the House and Senate. If we are to return to Constitutional government it is essential. Right now we have a situation in which our CEO is telling the Board of Directors what to do or ignoring them altogether. That is a bad situation no matter what the CEO's policies are. AOC would be much more powerful as Speaker of the House than as President.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Disclaimer, I'm not Catholic. Catholic moral teaching is historically deep, robust, and complex. It doesn't just say abortion and homosexuality are wrong,

Really?

The Catholic Church’s formal stance on abortion is that it is morally wrong and intrinsically evil, as it involves the deliberate termination of an innocent human life. This position is rooted in the Church’s teaching that human life begins at conception and must be protected from that moment until natural death. Here’s a concise overview based on official Church documents:

Then there is this

The Church opposes unjust discrimination against homosexual persons but does not support legal recognition of same-sex unions as equivalent to marriage. It advocates for laws that uphold the traditional definition of marriage while ensuring basic human rights for all

 

[Always in His Presence]

IMHO. The embracing and promotion of deviant lifestyles is what’s driving every day Americans away from the Democratic Party.

 

[BCP1928]

Really?

The Catholic Church’s formal stance on abortion is that it is morally wrong and intrinsically evil, as it involves the deliberate termination of an innocent human life. This position is rooted in the Church’s teaching that human life begins at conception and must be protected from that moment until natural death. Here’s a concise overview based on official Church documents:

Then there is this

The Church opposes unjust discrimination against homosexual persons but does not support legal recognition of same-sex unions as equivalent to marriage. It advocates for laws that uphold the traditional definition of marriage while ensuring basic human rights for all

That's all very well, but there's been some slippage. The Catholic Church is not fully in line with some of the other items on Trump's culture war agenda: Immigration, trade unions, minimum wages, gun control, the homeless, Netanyahu's policy in Gaza, etc.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Disclaimer, I'm not Catholic. Catholic moral teaching is historically deep, robust, and complex. It doesn't just say abortion and homosexuality are wrong, it speaks to a great deal of the human experience--it speaks to social conditions, such as poverty, economic injustice. The pro-life stance of the Catholic Church doesn't just say "abortion wrong", but speaks to the social conditions which also enable or encourage abortion; and it also covers non-abortion related subjects such as war, justice, and the treatment of refugees and immigrants.

Even going beyond the specifics of Catholic moral teaching, the historic moral teaching of Christianity has been deep. And reducing it to "crotch morality", which is basically what has happened in America, is not only a deeply troubling dumbing down of Christian moral teaching, it seems to dumb it down to the point of actually going full circle to just anti-Christian morality. The Church, historically, has a lot to say about corrupt leaders, hoarding wealth, about moral injustice and economic injustice--going back to the Bible itself, and not just the New Testament, but the Old Testament as well.

I don't think Christian moral teaching is actually very popular for many American Christians. Because taking it seriously would mean having to face the uncomfortable reality of our own complicity in perpetuating social evils. And there is a great deal of history of Christians being complicit--and perpetrating--major social evils. And no, we don't get to pawn off every bad Christian as "not a true Christian"--it has to be addressed and engaged head-on, bull by the horns. If we don't, then we cease to be a people who take a penitential posture toward God and neighbor, which is our deep calling in Christ to be a people of grace, mercy, and humility--a people defined not by temporal glory, but by Suffering and the Cross.

-CryptoLutheran

From a fundamental Baptist perspective, I struggle that the current pro-life movement in America may be more oriented toward political objectives than grounded in biblical doctrine. The life begins at conception and continues until death; scripture clearly identifies both abortion and the death penalty as incompatible with its teachings. It is inconsistent to advocate for the protection of unborn children without upholding all related biblical principles. A truly pro-life stance encompasses feeding the hungry, providing water to the thirsty, offering shelter to strangers, clothing those in need, caring for the sick, visiting prisoners , supporting widows , advocating for justice for the vulnerable , and caring for immigrants .

Neither political party in America aligns with biblical principles. While Republicans oppose abortion and same-sex marriage, their support for the death penalty conflicts with biblical teachings. Conversely, Democrats' social programs reflect caring for the needy as Jesus taught, but their pro-choice stance contradicts biblical doctrine.

I don't expect politicians or parties to align with biblical principles; I expect them to distort these principles for political gain.

Bu it is unfortunate to see that Christians from both political parties who read and understand scripture claim their own party aligns with biblical principles while insisting the other does not.