Airstrike kills Qassim Soleimani, head of Iran's elite Quds Force, at Baghdad airportI hi

[Aldebaran]

Do Egyptian ships fly American flags?

The Japanese later apologized for attacking the USS Panay, but there is no doubt that they knew that it was an American ship.

Flags aren't always easy to see from the air.
Besides, we're talking about something from 52 years ago. Mistakes happen and it's time to get over that one. Much has happened since then.
We're not still holding a grudge with Japan, are we?

 

[redleghunter]

Folks this is getting way off topic. If you want to discuss prophecy matters please go to the prophecy forums.

Thanks.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

This might sound unbelievable but I sincerely hope that between the moment of signing the order by President Trump and the impact, a host of angels appeared before that entire bunch and they proclaimed the truth of Jesus Christ and all of them bent a knee in unison and said, "God forgive us for what we have done. We believe in your only begotten Son and ask him to come into our hearts and revive us to the truth that has been evident for 2000 years." I sincerely wish that happened. But, I have to doubt it because I am sure that attack would have fizzled out and they would have become awesome witnesses, alive and well and converted before the world. Right or wrong?

This might sound unbelievable but I wish America didn't expand its terror networks (i.e. ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc.) that kill Christians. I wish a host of angels would appear before America and tell this nation to turn from worshiping mammon including oil. But, I have to doubt it because I'm sure from this warmongering by Trump that America is still highly interested in oil and killing some Christians is fine with America if those Christians are of Middle Eastern extraction. America will serve her god mammon (oil/dollars) at any expense and hates the True God, Jesus.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Not seeing this as impulsive as I read more of the reports. Soleimani was planning attacks throughout the region on US facilities and personnel.

Now if you are asking did they think of the second and third order effects from such an attack? I think they did and if not it will become evident very soon.

This attack is a good example of Trump's impulsivity. I don't doubt the military and CIA had this attack planned for months. It's safe to assume they have plans to kill all sorts of people in case the President issues such an order.

Trump impulsively ordered this attack because of the Embassy attack in Baghdad. He ordered it without any real thought as to the consequences. His Orwellian claim that he had to make war to prevent war bellies this argument. Trump had to be a tough guy, he had to do things the opposite of HRC and Obama in Benghazi.

The move was utterly foolish and will likely create all sorts of problems over the upcoming year. We have no business in the middle east at this point. We're a net oil exporter, we don't need middle eastern oil. Let the heathen Jews and Muslims kill each other. It should not matter to the United States.

 

[HannahT]

This attack is a good example of Trump's impulsivity. I don't doubt the military and CIA had this attack planned for months. It's safe to assume they have plans to kill all sorts of people in case the President issues such an order.

Anyone can make assumptions, but it doesn't make it so.

The attack was a response to being attacked. So, your comment about how you doubt the USA planned it for months? Yeah. Okay. We need plan for a response to being attacked for months in advance incase it does happen? That really makes no sense you do realize that right?

Military tends to plan for all kinds of things. That's their job.

Trump impulsively ordered this attack because of the Embassy attack in Baghdad. He ordered it without any real thought as to the consequences. His Orwellian claim that he had to make war to prevent war bellies this argument. Trump had to be a tough guy, he had to do things the opposite of HRC and Obama in Benghazi.

So, what he should have done is make up some lie that the media will shallow about a video or something else and go with it is what you are saying? That impulse of the past was to cover their behinds because they neglected an embassy.

I'm far from thrilled with what happened, but you can't do nothing after you have been attacked. They killed someone, and then attacked the embassy like they did in the 1979 and held our hostages for 444 days. What do you suggest whither like a dying flower?

Remember they attacked first, and intelligence says they had others planned. We have nothing to say that isn't true, but we can speculate and assume just to make people feel better.

In that area of the world that have this shame/honor dynamic and people here are not familiar with. We could wag our fingers at them as we have done in the past, but it does look weak in their eyes. If he had allowed the additional attacks to happen then people would be complaining about that too.

The move was utterly foolish and will likely create all sorts of problems over the upcoming year. We have no business in the middle east at this point. We're a net oil exporter, we don't need middle eastern oil. Let the heathen Jews and Muslims kill each other. It should not matter to the United States.

Sadly, that ship has sailed years ago.

 

[JacksBratt]

Airstrike kills Qassim Soleimani, head of Iran's elite Quds Force, at Baghdad airport


General Qassim Soleimani, the head of Iran's elite Quds Force, was killed in an airstrike at Baghdad's international airport early on Friday.

The strike also reportedly killed Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the deputy commander of Iran-backed militias known as the Popular Mobilization Forces, or PMF.

The killing of Soleimani, which was confirmed by the Revolutionary Guard, is a major blow for Iran. Together with the death of al-Muhandis, the killings could mark a potential turning point in the Middle East and are expected to draw severe retaliation from Iran and the forces it backs in the Middle East against Israel and American interests.

More at link: US airstrike kills Qassim Soleimani, head of Iran's elite Quds Force, at Baghdad airport

I have and we have no right to comment on this action. We are not pertinent to intimate details of the military and governmental intelligence involved.

To claim that we can condemn or condone such action... as mere civilians.. is typical yet wrong.

Trump was not the only man that made this decision... He has advisors and miltitary experts of all kinds...

They would have came to him and briefed him on what THEY wanted to do... He just gets to rubber stamp it based on the intel, knowledge and information that they give him as they present him with the actions that are best for the US and the world.

IMO it's pretty arrogant to think that we can in any way know what was at stake..in any way shape or form.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Anyone can make assumptions, but it doesn't make it so.

The attack was a response to being attacked. So, your comment about how you doubt the USA planned it for months? Yeah. Okay. We need plan for a response to being attacked for months in advance incase it does happen? That really makes no sense you do realize that right?

Military tends to plan for all kinds of things. That's their job.



So, what he should have done is make up some lie that the media will shallow about a video or something else and go with it is what you are saying? That impulse of the past was to cover their behinds because they neglected an embassy.

I'm far from thrilled with what happened, but you can't do nothing after you have been attacked. They killed someone, and then attacked the embassy like they did in the 1979 and held our hostages for 444 days. What do you suggest whither like a dying flower?

Remember they attacked first, and intelligence says they had others planned. We have nothing to say that isn't true, but we can speculate and assume just to make people feel better.

In that area of the world that have this shame/honor dynamic and people here are not familiar with. We could wag our fingers at them as we have done in the past, but it does look weak in their eyes. If he had allowed the additional attacks to happen then people would be complaining about that too.



Sadly, that ship has sailed years ago.

The President doesn't just decide to have some foreign leader murdered and expect the military to come up with a plan in a matter of days. There's no question that the recent assassination was planned for months. They were clearly following this guy around, they knew where he was going to be. The intel community doesn't just come up with this sort of information over night.

Iran may have attacked our embassy but it begs the question what we're doing in Iraq and the middle east in the first place. We don't belong there, we aren't the world's policeman. Our presence isn't making the world safe, it isn't making America safe. Trump just escalated matters when he should he leaving the region. We don't need to look weak or strong to these people. Let's get out and let the heathen Jews and Muslims kill each other. It isn't our business or problem.

 

[Aldebaran]

Prophacies about the resurrection of the body aren't evidence that modern Israel is the reincarnation of ancient Israel. Especially so when Israel is hostile to Christians.

It wasn't about the resurrection of the body. It was about the resurrection of the nation of Israel, and that is what we are talking about here.

 

[HannahT]

The President doesn't just decide to have some foreign leader murdered and expect the military to come up with a plan in a matter of days. There's no question that the recent assassination was planned for months. They were clearly following this guy around, they knew where he was going to be. The intel community doesn't just come up with this sort of information over night.

I'm sure they keep their eye on plenty of people. No doubt other countries do too.

Yet, to say military decisions can't be nimble, and need what months to make a decision? Nonsense. No doubt there are ones that are planned, but to say all of them must be? You can't always be effective that way.

Iran may have attacked our embassy but it begs the question what we're doing in Iraq and the middle east in the first place. We don't belong there, we aren't the world's policeman. Our presence isn't making the world safe, it isn't making America safe. Trump just escalated matters when he should he leaving the region. We don't need to look weak or strong to these people. Let's get out and let the heathen Jews and Muslims kill each other. It isn't our business or problem.

Plenty of people don't want us there, but we are. Yet, we need to deal with the here and now.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[JacksBratt]

The President doesn't just decide to have some foreign leader murdered and expect the military to come up with a plan in a matter of days. There's no question that the recent assassination was planned for months. They were clearly following this guy around, they knew where he was going to be. The intel community doesn't just come up with this sort of information over night.

Iran may have attacked our embassy but it begs the question what we're doing in Iraq and the middle east in the first place. We don't belong there, we aren't the world's policeman. Our presence isn't making the world safe, it isn't making America safe. Trump just escalated matters when he should he leaving the region. We don't need to look weak or strong to these people. Let's get out and let the heathen Jews and Muslims kill each other. It isn't our business or problem.

I agree with the first part... The President doesn't just decide to have some foreign leader killed.

However.. you cannot say what the world would be like if the US and other forces weren't there.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

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[Robin Mauro]

But Iran has been at war with us since 1979.

No they have not

 

[redleghunter]

No they have not

They have been. Ever since they invaded our embassy and held it hostage for over a year.

 

[redleghunter]

The President doesn't just decide to have some foreign leader murdered and expect the military to come up with a plan in a matter of days. There's no question that the recent assassination was planned for months. They were clearly following this guy around, they knew where he was going to be. The intel community doesn't just come up with this sort of information over night.

Add to the fact Suleimani has been “a card” in the US designated hostile terrorist list and organization going back before Obama.

 

[Robin Mauro]

They have been. Ever since they invaded our embassy and held it hostage for over a year.

Oh please, are you talking about the Carter administration, the incident which Reagan was involved in them not releasing the hostages in order to win the election?
That is hardly being at war!
It is easy to hate, and we are Not called to the easy way. Don't you know God loves the Iranians too, and the history of the U.S. in middle eastern affairs? Our hands are not clean.
Blessed are the peace makers.

 

[redleghunter]

Oh please, are you talking about the Carter administration, the incident which Reagan was involved in them not releasing the hostages in order to win the election?
That is hardly being at war!
It is easy to hate, and we are Not called to the easy way. Don't you know God loves the Iranians too, and the history of the U.S. in middle eastetn affairs? Our hands are not clean.
Blessed are the peace makers.

If you would like to rise above the rhetoric of these chat sites, John Bachelor did a series of interviews with David Crist on Iran since the rise of the mullahs in 1979. It's scholarship and cuts through the political rhetoric.

Dated 31 August 2018 and the interview is the third hour called the Twilight War.

Friday 31 August 2018 | John Batchelor Show

 

[Robin Mauro]

If you would like to rise above the rhetoric of these chat sites, John Bachelor did a series of interviews with David Crist on Iran since the rise of the mullahs in 1979. It's scholarship and cuts through the political rhetoric.

Dated 31 August 2018 and the interview is the third hour called the Twilight War.

Friday 31 August 2018 | John Batchelor Show

Or you could see the PBS documentary called ISLAM. It covers the history quite nicely.
"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
Again I say, it is easy ro hate. We are called to something higher. This is the truth; not rhetoric.
U.S. hands are not clean, then, or now. We need to look at ourselves first. "Take the plank out of your own eye..."

 

[Redwingfan9]

Oh please, are you talking about the Carter administration, the incident which Reagan was involved in them not releasing the hostages in order to win the election?
That is hardly being at war!
It is easy to hate, and we are Not called to the easy way. Don't you know God loves the Iranians too, and the history of the U.S. in middle eastetn affairs? Our hands are not clean.
Blessed are the peace makers.

Reagan didn't need to meddle in the hostage crisis to thoroughly defeat Carter. His own ineptitude did him in with regards to the crisis. The economy was dreadful, Carter did himself no favors with his malaise speech. Plus, he killed himself in the debate when he indicated he sought nuclear weapon advice from his 10 year old daughter. Reagan's team likely extended the crisis through the inauguration, thus embarrassing Carter. But it didn't effect the election.

As for God loving Iranians, that's not quite accurate Biblically. God has a general love for his creation but he only has saving love for his elect, ie Christians. Iran is almost exclusively Muslim, God has no love for the heathen. We can but pray that God would convert Iran's leaders to the Christian faith. We could say the same for the US as well.

 

[scryptic]

U.S. hands are not clean, then, or now. We need to look at ourselves first. "Take the plank out of your own eye..."

I agree that the United States has blood on its hands for more than one military action in the past but considering the ways that Islamic nations such as Iran hold America in contempt no matter how nice we are to them, the strike to kill Solemani was not a bad decision.

I wouldn't call it reckless or impulsive either like some have said. If it was immediately after a drone of ours was shot down or some other act of aggression maybe I would wonder about that. The fact that Solemani was a devoted general who has helped kill hundreds of Americans means he was a threat regardless of future plans to attack or play nice.