Adam ?

[CrystalDragon]

Is Satan his real name or just a hebrew title?

It's unclear: "Satan" is derived from a Hebrew word meaning "adversary", but considering names mean something Satan may be his "created name" or it may be more of a title.

 

[miknik5]

The chronology of the first creation myth is different from the second. In the first story, God makes the plants and animals first and, then, God makes humanity. In the second, God makes humanity before the plants. They cannot both be literally true. However, their genre, their literary style, is poetic. It's meant to be a poetic tale that shows the spiritual truth that God created. It does not tell us how God created using the many beautiful processes and forces in the universe.

Look again

Both accounts have plants first
What did you think water coming up from the ground was doing?

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

Look again

Both accounts have plants first

I did. The chronology is at variance.
Genesis 2
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Beaker]

Well to be fair "good" is not "perfect".

Then NOTHING God made is "perfect" for in HIS Word, everything is described as "good" or "very good". However, YOU are just 'picking at straws' here, playing on words. ENOUGH. EVERYTHING El Shaddai made was made to complete PERFECTION. It was the fallen angel who lured mankind to sin.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

Then NOTHING God made is "perfect" for in HIS Word, everything is described as "good" or "very good". However, YOU are just 'picking at straws' here, playing on words. ENOUGH. EVERYTHING El Shaddai made was made to complete PERFECTION. It was the fallen angel who lured mankind to sin.

Words do matter and their meanings matter. It is reasonable to point out that 'good' does not mean 'perfect.'

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

Look again

Both accounts have plants first
What did you think water coming up from the ground was doing?

Again, God creates plants and animals in Genesis 1 but creates man before plants and animals in Genesis 2. The stories are also dated differently. Genesis 1 was written long before Genesis 2. God works through people being inspired to write in different centuries. The purpose was not to create a science textbook for 21st century universities. The purpose was to tell the beautiful poetic truth that God is Creator. How God creates is something that science helps us explore.

 

[Beaker]

Words do matter and their meanings matter. It is reasonable to point out that 'good' does not mean 'perfect.'

New words are being introduced into our language daily, SO with THAT in mind, who is to say that the word as we know it - "perfect" was even around when the scribes were translating the Bible into the English language? Quit picking at straws.

 

[miknik5]

That was another choice GOD gave man

The choice to be co-workers in HIS "field"

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

New words are being introduced into our language daily, SO with THAT in mind, who is to say that the word as we know it - "perfect" was even around when the scribes were translating the Bible into the English language? Quit picking at straws.

Yes, linguistics is very clear that language is always evolving if it is a living language. To answer your question, Hebrew did have a word for perfect as opposed to 'good.' "טוֹב Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to be pleasing or good"

 

[miknik5]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

Genesis 2:4 Genesis 2:5

Already says GOD made all the plants (even before they were in the earth)

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

New words are being introduced into our language daily, SO with THAT in mind, who is to say that the word as we know it - "perfect" was even around when the scribes were translating the Bible into the English language? Quit picking at straws.

The word perfect is this "תָּמִים Word Origin
from tamam
Definition
complete, sound"

So, these are not picking at straws. Crystal was pointing to a linguistic lexical fact.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

Genesis 2:4 Genesis 2:5

Already says GOD made all the plants (even before they were in the earth)

Then, why did God need to make them again, exactly? That would just be two variances in the same text. Also, the beginning of Genesis 2 is stating a fact and then going back and explaining what happened. Thirdly, God created humanity (Adam) before animals. Pretty much all scholars agree on that.

More importantly, these discrepancies and contradictions is exactly why the Bible is not to be taken literally. These different versions, even if they vary in the same passage, cannot all be literal at the same time. This goes back to the fact that its genre is not science or fact. Its genre is poetic or mythic in the truest sense. You cannot read a poem like it was a biology text book!

 

[Sammy-San]

It's unclear: "Satan" is derived from a Hebrew word meaning "adversary", but considering names mean something Satan may be his "created name" or it may be more of a title.

So its fair to say its another irrelevant mystery?

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

So its fair to say its another irrelevant mystery?

Yeah, the word 'satan' just means adversary. In Job, for example, the 'satan' is not the same as the devil in the New Testament.

 

[Sammy-San]

Yeah, the word 'satan' just means adversary. In Job, for example, the 'satan' is not the same as the devil in the New Testament.

So it isn't a real name, like Yahweh is for God?

It really doesn't matte though. Speculative theology on angels and demons is not relevant to either our relationship with God or Christian practices.

 

[miknik5]

Then, why did God need to make them again, exactly? That would just be two variances in the same text. Also, the beginning of Genesis 2 is stating a fact and then going back and explaining what happened. Thirdly, God created humanity (Adam) before animals. Pretty much all scholars agree on that.

More importantly, these discrepancies and contradictions is exactly why the Bible is not to be taken literally. These different versions, even if they vary in the same passage, cannot all be literal at the same time. This goes back to the fact that its genre is not science or fact. Its genre is poetic or mythic in the truest sense. You cannot read a poem like it was a biology text book!

Natural man has to be created on the 6th day

You speak about poetic inuendos?

Well 6 is very significant
Just as 7 and 8 are

And it is the order of spiritual man born again of GOD

 

[miknik5]

Yeah, the word 'satan' just means adversary. In Job, for example, the 'satan' is not the same as the devil in the New Testament.

Yes he is
Just as "removing the hedge" in job 1 resulted in the same prophecied outcome spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2 when "he who holds all things back is taken out of the way"

 

[Sammy-San]

Yes he is
Just as "removing the hedge" in job 1 resulted in the same prophecies outcome as when "he who holds all things back is tskennout of the way" in 2 Thessalonians 2

Why do Jewish people not really believe in the devil?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

adam was made to the specifications God intended which was in an unfallen state. so yes, he was made perfect as ecclesiastes 7:29 states.

 

[miknik5]

Everything laid out in GOD's WORD ultimately had ONE PURPOSE

To bring us to CHRIST