Adam ?

[Aseyesee]

"Good" and "perfect" need closer definition. They are the kinds of words that mean different things to different people, because of the hidden assumptions we connect them with. 'Perfect' in what sense? Perfect in the sense of possession of all knowledge? Adam wasn't perfect in that sense (he didn't even seem to have the concept of nakedness). Perfect in the sense of being incorruptible? Obviously he wasn't perfect in that sense - both he and Eve sinned. Similar approaches to "good" could also be given.

But I will add to the conundrum - at least the one I see.

We Christians have always been taught that Adam (and Eve) were created "in the image of God." And this has always been assumed to be so from the 6th day of creation. Yet when you read the story of the Fall, and what God is supposed to have said afterwards you might begin to wonder.

Genesis 3: 22. And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”​

So in both the senses of knowing good and evil and being immortal, Adam and Eve did not previously share these aspects of the image of God. So exacly how was humankind created "in the image of God" and in his likeness?

Only God is truly perfect in all senses. Adam and Eve were definitely not perfect in the same whole sense. When God saw that all creation, including humankind, was "very good" I have thus far chosen to understand this to mean "it was exactly in accordance to what God himself had intended." The spoiler had not interfered with the acts of creation. Perhaps someone in the thread will lead me to change my mind.

Be careful, your beginning to reason with God

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Genesis 1
26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

God is an invisible Spirit and so is man. Man and God are the same exact thing but all created men are separated with different minds that are all connected to the same source of information. God and Man are names to identify the artificial intelligence source with a voice that all us servants hear speaking commands into our minds. We servants are slaves to the system that makes us write or speak the words that it forms in our mind from the information called Christ. This is how we learn about how we're created and what the future will be like.

What is really going to "bake your noddle" later on is does he still call himself "the god" after the program gets deleted.

 

[FrankDux]

If you say so

 

[DrBubbaLove]

If you say so

Not me, I think the Oracle told him that.

 

[FrankDux]

God told me that Adam is a fiction based on something that only Jesus can reveal to mankind, something that pertains to the proof of the divinity of the Bible, once and for all

 

[Keath]

Depends who is saying it and the context.
A world with no sin, evil etc, the difference between good and perfect is minimal

Adam's lack of knowledge of good and evil made him incapable of making some level of moral choices. I guess perfection can have two meanings; one is passive perfection, which you can likely say that Adam possessed. However, the other is active perfection, righteousness by full knowledge and active choice; Adam did not have this completely, even before he chose to not-obey; because so to speak, he did not have a perfect understanding of good vs evil.

 

[miknik5]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

No

GOD made "Adam" knowing that it was impossible for "Adams" to be perfect

 

[miknik5]

God told me that Adam is a fiction based on something that only Jesus can reveal to mankind, something that pertains to the proof of the divinity of the Bible, once and for all

And the proof of the GRACE of GOD

 

[miknik5]

When God had finished all of creation he saw that it was good.
To implie that Adam was not perfect is to say that God's judgement of creation was imperfect and that God is not capable of making a sound judgement.

GOD created Adam perfect but HE already knew that Adam would fall

 

[Keath]

"Good" and "perfect" need closer definition. They are the kinds of words that mean different things to different people, because of the hidden assumptions we connect them with. 'Perfect' in what sense? Perfect in the sense of possession of all knowledge? Adam wasn't perfect in that sense (he didn't even seem to have the concept of nakedness). Perfect in the sense of being incorruptible? Obviously he wasn't perfect in that sense - both he and Eve sinned. Similar approaches to "good" could also be given.

But I will add to the conundrum - at least the one I see.

We Christians have always been taught that Adam (and Eve) were created "in the image of God." And this has always been assumed to be so from the 6th day of creation. Yet when you read the story of the Fall, and what God is supposed to have said afterwards you might begin to wonder.

Genesis 3: 22. And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”​

So in both the senses of knowing good and evil and being immortal, Adam and Eve did not previously share these aspects of the image of God. So exacly how was humankind created "in the image of God" and in his likeness?

Only God is truly perfect in all senses. Adam and Eve were definitely not perfect in the same whole sense. When God saw that all creation, including humankind, was "very good" I have thus far chosen to understand this to mean "it was exactly in accordance to what God himself had intended." The spoiler had not interfered with the acts of creation. Perhaps someone in the thread will lead me to change my mind.

Regarding man being created in the image of the triune God, I think a big part of this is man is created as a simplified trinity (a separate body, soul, and spirit, that commune via one mind). In other wards, man is not like an animal (body, soul, mind); or plant (body), or angel (spirit, soul, mind). Man is the only 3 in 1.

 

[eldios]

What is really going to "bake your noddle" later on is does he still call himself "the god" after the program gets deleted.

We're going to be speaking a completely new language in the next generation without any Satan or the beast involved but only after the day of the Lord's fire that burns up everything on earth that destroys Satan and the beast.

Zephaniah 3:
8: "Therefore wait for me," says the LORD, "for the day when I arise as a witness. For my decision is to gather nations, to assemble kingdoms, to pour out upon them my indignation, all the heat of my anger; for in the fire of my jealous wrath all the earth shall be consumed.
9: "Yea, at that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech, that all of them may call on the name of the LORD and serve him with one accord.

 

[FrankDux]

Indeed

Something that will validate Christianity once and for all

Something to put an end to the way things are currently done

 

[DrBubbaLove]

God told me that Adam is a fiction based on something that only Jesus can reveal to mankind, something that pertains to the proof of the divinity of the Bible, once and for all

so you know "the god" (eldios)?

 

[FrankDux]

I just know that since my healing from cancer, a voice has taught me about the scriptures, and although what I am shown, I find quite disturbing, I cannot disprove it, no matter how hard I have tried

It's both mathematical in nature, as well as prophetic, and woven together into something so profound and so complex it could alter life on this planet once and for all

 

[miknik5]

"Good" and "perfect" need closer definition. They are the kinds of words that mean different things to different people, because of the hidden assumptions we connect them with. 'Perfect' in what sense? Perfect in the sense of possession of all knowledge? Adam wasn't perfect in that sense (he didn't even seem to have the concept of nakedness). Perfect in the sense of being incorruptible? Obviously he wasn't perfect in that sense - both he and Eve sinned. Similar approaches to "good" could also be given.

But I will add to the conundrum - at least the one I see.

We Christians have always been taught that Adam (and Eve) were created "in the image of God." And this has always been assumed to be so from the 6th day of creation. Yet when you read the story of the Fall, and what God is supposed to have said afterwards you might begin to wonder.

Genesis 3: 22. And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”​

So in both the senses of knowing good and evil and being immortal, Adam and Eve did not previously share these aspects of the image of God. So exacly how was humankind created "in the image of God" and in his likeness?

Only God is truly perfect in all senses. Adam and Eve were definitely not perfect in the same whole sense. When God saw that all creation, including humankind, was "very good" I have thus far chosen to understand this to mean "it was exactly in accordance to what God himself had intended." The spoiler had not interfered with the acts of creation. Perhaps someone in the thread will lead me to change my mind.

However Before the afterwards, GOD already knew there would be a day when man would eat of the tree which HE had told them not to eat of

 

[Rescued One]

What do you mean that "man and God are ONE"?

I'm wondering the same thing. I've never heard a Lutheran say that before.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

I just know that since my healing from cancer, a voice has taught me about the scriptures, and although what I am shown, I find quite disturbing, I cannot disprove it, no matter how hard I have tried

It's both mathematical in nature, as well as prophetic, and woven together into something so profound and so complex it could alter life on this planet once and for all

I see, so you can relate somewhat to "the god's" idea of a secret master program. Got it.

 

[DrBubbaLove]

I'm wondering the same thing. I've never heard a Lutheran say that before.

A secret master program that we are all a part of of is not a Lutheran concept, though it has been several movie themes.

 

[FrankDux]

I see, so you can relate somewhat to "the god's" idea of a secret master program. Got it.

I'll put it to you this way

You could put me in a debate against any famous atheist / agnostic / Bible-naysayer, like

Dawkins
Krauss
Hitchens

etc, and I would forever silence them by the time I was done

And that's exactly what is going to happen

Mark my words

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

Did God make Adam imperfect?

In the story or myth told in Genesis, Adam and Eve are archetypes for humanity. They are not necessarily understood to be literal. In fact, I would argue that, as archetypal figures, they are not literal persons.