Greetings, my fellow Peers.
Justme’s quote to Jaywife 29..
Hi Jayswife,
The bit about sin came from a post ages ago where PC said, among many other things, this:
Justme, you must open your eyes, the seventh trumpet in Rev 11 occurs at the FIRST RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF THE END, that is not back in 70AD.
“So I showed when the end of the ages was using Hebrews 9:26. Sin came along for the ride.”
PC says. Let me deal with the end of the age again, as I have done twice before.
Hebrews 9: 24. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Jesus never entered into the man made Earthly Temple to plead our case. That HE will do in Heaven as the Lamb of God.
There would be no point doing that in the earthly Temple.
The reason for this is answered in the next verse.
Hebrews 9: 25.Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
The Earthly was a shadow of the heavenly, what else could it be but a type?
Under the inadequacies of the Earthly Temple, lay the problem.
Hebrews 9: 26. For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. the holy place every year with blood of others.
The Earthly Temple? Jesus entered it as a wonderful teacher. Luke 4:16-19. Fulfilling the prophecies of Isaiah.
The writer states that Christ died once and for ALL sinners.
I will deal with “the end of the world.”
Did the unknown writer of Hebrews like all those that followed Jesus think that He would set up HIS kingdom back then? Check it out and see at the beginning of Math 24 Mark13, Luke21.
They are eager to know, THE WHEN TIME of His 2nd coming & kingdom.
They thought it would be closer than we now know, because 2000 years later we see it with hindsight that we are STILL WAITING.
Here is my evidence straight from the BOOK as to why they thought they were living in the time of the end of the age.
2 Peter 3: 9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3: 10. But THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with A GREAT NOISE, and the ELEMENTS SHALL MELT with fervent HEAT, the EARTH ALSO and the works that are therein shall be BURNED UP.
2 Peter 3: 11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner ought ye to be in holy conversation and godliness,
2 Peter 3: 12. LOOKING FOR and HASTING unto the COMING OF THE DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2 Peter 3: 13. Nevertheless WE, according to his promise, LOOK FOR NEW HEAVENS and a NEW EARTH, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2 Peter 3: 14. WHEREFORE BELOVED, seeing that YE LOOK FOR SUCH THINGS, be DILEGENT that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Now the above verses show how enthusiastically they all looked for the coming kingdom, they were LOOKING UP in the HEAVENS for the Signs of HIS coming back then that is why they thought “IT WAS THE END OF THE AGE.”
That was the question asked in Mat 24:3.
“Tell us, when shall these things be? and what the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”
Did the above writer, with the Disciples believe that Christ was to set up His kingdom within their lifetimes? Of course they did.
Now how should we read the very next verse of Hebrews?
Hebrews 9: 27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrews 9:28. SO CHRIST WAS ONCE OFFERED to BEAR the SINS of many; and UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.
Every generation has hoped for the blessed salvation within their own time, as we do today so the writer would express himself in that way with that preconceived idea and obviously so would Paul as believing that the “end of the age” was at their time.
Was there anything wrong in that? No.
Were they right about the TIME, “end of the age”? No.
Because we are still here waiting for the prophecies to be fully completed some 2000 years later.
Yes, some 2000 years later indicates clearly that it was not the INTENT of what Jesus had indicated in prophecy that it was to be the end of the age back then.
Some folk say, “yes but that’s what the Bible says!!
And I say yes it does.
Well, they say , “how can it be wrong?
So I say. Well,, it was the writer that had the time problem.
It was the writers YEARNING that they ALL had for the second coming to COME ABOUT within their lifetime, it was their hope and prayer for it to be that way.
Is this a salvation issue? No of course not.
They were right about the event but wrong about the time, because the prophecies were not fulfilled in their time to full.
God did not see fit to tell them back then, the time.
That is why Daniel’s book was sealed up until “the time of the end”? So that we won’t know, until we need to.
It was God in His wisdom that did not let even Daniel know, that it was not to be for a long, long time into the future.
Daniel asked Gabriel When?
And Gabriel said “it is not for you to know Daniel.”
Another example, using Hebrews is how some can read it as a hard and fast rule, or we can use our God given common sense to get to the intent.
Hebrews 9:27.And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement:
Is that what the Bible says? Yes.
Is the above a hard and fast rule? No.
The above verse says it is APPOINTED for man to die once and we have many that state, that on that bases Moses cannot be one of the two witnesses.
How then do they explain Lazarus. You see it is how we read the Gospel that is the problem, not what it says.
Of course it was “appointed unto men, once to die,” but that is not a hard and fast rule there are exceptions.
There is no contradiction, between being appointed that man die once and for God to act upon that situation, after all HE is the resurrection unto life.
Now, I do hope that that is the end of the matter regards Hebrews 9, I have given my answer and that is the end of it as far as I am concerned.
Justme quote.
That old abomination that causes desolation has to appear in the holy place. The holy place is kapoot, ghandi. The holy place is kapoot since Titus destroyed it. Now Jesus sits in the most hol;y place and any abomination can't go there...
We must first find the Holy place where the abomination can sit.
Now It is correct that the abomination cannot sit in the Heavenly sanctuary.
So where are we to look, seeing as the earthly Temple was destroyed in 70AD
Then we have to identify who it is who wants to sit there, once we do that we can identify who the Abomination that causes the desolation is.
What Holy place, is there on Earth?
Bible. Hebrews 9:25.
“Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the HOLY PLACE every year with blood of others.”
So the only place left is the HOLY HILL. Because as Justme says the Temple is “Kapoot” which I think means kaput.
Bible.
Daniel 11:45. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
So this person in the last verse is going to “plant his tabernacle,” “between the seas in the glorious holy mountain.” So the Lamb that speaks like a dragon is going to build his Tabernacle “in the glorious holy mountain.”
Satan needs it, to sit in it, he says “I will be like the Most High.
Now the next question is, at what TIME will he do it? And what will happen when he does?
THE BIBLE'S VERY NEXT VERSE TELLS US.
Dan12:1. And AT THAT TIME shall MICHAEL STAND UP, the GREAT PRINCE which STANDETH for the CHILDREN of THY PEOPLE: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, every one that shall be FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.
So he will do it at “the time of the end” spoken of in Daniel. That is just before the first resurrection at trumpet number 7.
The next question, is how long will he get away with it?
Daniel is given the answer.
Daniel 12:11. And from the time the daily shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
So the answer is, about 3 ½ years. See, Dan 12:5-7.
For how long things shall be allowed to go on for untill the end.
When the last angel's trumpet sounds then the mystery of God will be understood. See, Rev 10:6-7.
Justme re quoted me then explains what he or she did.
Justme, you must open your eyes, the seventh trumpet in Rev 11 occurs at the FIRST RESURRECTION AT THE TIME OF THE END, that is not back in 70AD.
“So I showed when the end of the ages was using Hebrews 9:26. Sin came along for the ride.”
Even though I have dealt with Hebrews 9:26 earlier I will do so again.
We still have the seventh trumpet, which is STILL a real problem for Justme.
The Bible makes it absolutely clear, that the seventh trumpet occurs at the ”time of the end” at the FIRST RESURRECTION.
