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A simple fix for the Transgender issue.

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by Ken-1122, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. Strathos

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    Can I borrow some of your gold then?
     
  2. Ken-1122

    Ken-1122 Newbie

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    What difference does it make? Do you need to know what it entails when a person wants to be referred to as a Zi, Xi, Sie, Eir, or any of the other non-binary made up terms? Do their explanation require you approval before you refer to them this way? Why do you need to know what I feel being a Leprechaun entails before you are willing to identify me as one?
    If you dont like leprechaun, how about a 100 year old man or a 12 year old girl? Would you be willing to refer to me as one of those?

    If a biological man tells me he is a woman, how am I supposed to know he is not? I have no choice but to assume he is telling me the truth thus there would be no problem.
     
  3. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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    Isn't the better solution to simply send the person to psychological therapy?
     
  4. Moral Orel

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    The difference is how much trouble you expect me to go through. A trans person is simply asking me to switch which pronoun I might be inclined to use. I'm still going to use some pronoun, who cares which one. If a guy comes up to me and says, "I'd prefer that when you refer to me you always say, "Johnathon the thirty-five year old caucasian male born in Indianapolis Indiana" I'm not going to do that. I don't care that it is all factual and "real" as you put it, it's an unreasonably troublesome request. Swapping "he" for "she" is no big deal. So what would you be asking of me if you're a transleprechaun?
    And if you know someone is a trans man or woman, you're going to point that out every time you use a pronoun to refer to them. Oh, once you've explained to them that they totally shouldn't be offended. Why? Why not just use the "he" or the "she" that they prefer?
     
  5. SkyWriting

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    When you are talking to them, you won't be saying "he" or "she".
    You don't need to say Mr or Ms either. You can say the name they
    offer you or just "Hello!"

    When you talk about them, you can use whatever name they offer you
    when introduced.
     
  6. SkyWriting

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    They'd prefer you use their first name, most likely.
     
  7. SkyWriting

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    Likely, they prefer their name.
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    First and last name if offered.
     
  9. Ken-1122

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    C'mon; now you know in todays culture, that is not an option.
     
  10. Ken-1122

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    So that is where we disagree. I refuse to use the pronoun that indicates Gender as discribed and used today.

    A Trans man is still a biological woman; do you agree?
     
  11. Ken-1122

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    Yeah I already pointed that out on an earlier post. Good point though
     
  12. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

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    Pass the right law and anything is possible.
     
  13. SkyWriting

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    We don't know without pulling on the waist band and peering down their underwear.
    It's not good form in polite society.
    If you are their physician, then ok.
     
  14. Ken-1122

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    No; the person I was replying to was using a scenario where I DID know.
     
  15. stevevw

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    Yes I agree. It is the subjectivity in gender ideology that is causing the confusion. In all other issues we use the scientific facts to determine things. But it seems for some issues we allow peoples personal feelings to be the measure.

    If we applied this to other areas such as body image we would be be denying an important reality that may be the difference between life and death. For example if a grossly thin person had anorexia nervosa and perceived themself as being overweight and we were banned from stating the truth of their state in order not to offend them this would not be helpful. Then medical records would be stating that there is no issue with their weight which would be misleading and lead to misdiagnosis and further confusion.
     
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  16. stevevw

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    At least you are agreeing with the way we have determined male and female for years at birth by checking their physical status (genitals).
     
  17. Moral Orel

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    Why do you care? You can use pronouns to mean gender and refuse to recognize the "new" pronouns, so don't bring up that red herring again.
    Ya, so what? What do I care about someone's biology?
     
  18. SkyWriting

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    "Man" and "Woman" are the gender types at issue. "Male and female" are the scientific terms for the sex roles in biology and are not gender types. There can be male and female reproductive parts on the same organism for reproduction purposes.
     
  19. stevevw

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    Science recognizes there are two sexes at birth male and female. Gender ideology is based on a subjective feeling where people can decide who they think they are and is not based on scientific fact. What some want to do is make gender ideology the main way to determine a persons sex and claim there is no biological male and female. That is confusing the issue by mixing subjective feelings with scientific facts.

    The possibility of there being male and female reproductive parts on the same person is a very rare physical occurrence but it has nothing to do with gender and does not change the scientific fact that there are only two sexes biologically. People try to use this rare anomaly as a way to support gender ideology. But this still would not work as it would only support 3 possible options when gender ideology claim that there are as many as 36 possible genders which is growing every year. This points to something that is based on an arbitrary feeling that has no basis in fact. A person can wake up one day and claim they are the opposite sex and there is no way to measure or verify this. This is leading to all sorts of problems and legal ramification.
     
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  20. SkyWriting

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    Well, if you are a male, yet you identify with being a female much better, there are "all sorts of problems in your life" and one that can be easily eliminated is other people making the decision for you what clothes you should wear and how you should wear your hair.

    That one is the easiest to grind in the garbage disposal and flush with lots of water.
    I'm not sure what those other people are measuring the size of your pehis for anyway.
    Like I said, your doctor need be the only one in the know.

    1% of all people have sex organs that are not within "normal" range.
     
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