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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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How do you reconcile your statement with this: You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me.
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1 Corinthians 3
10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[a]; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.”[b] 21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas[c] or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.
I don't think we can be the judge of peoples lives. Only God knows his standard and the full lives of people. Jesus said many will be surprised who is saved. As stated above salvation is a free gift after that the builder will receive a reward for what they have done.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. What we think is impressive God doesn't.
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The OP only asks if lives "matter" and the OP doesn't speak of to whom they may or may not matter.
Mankind in his sinful state is worth sending Christ as our Redeemer.
The way God sees things is the way they really are. Our own vision and our own seeing are mere approximations of the way they really are, and that includes whether or not you "matter".
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God's idea of our worth is the truth about our worth.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
There is no other definition of our worth that matters.
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The first shall be last and the last shall be first. If you want to be great then you have to be servant to all. The more you serve the greater you are. " From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." Luke 12 48
James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly."
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My ego keeps telling me that I matter more than anybody else. That my oh so precious life is more precious than yours.
I'm waiting for Christian maturity to fully kick in.
I'm waiting for Christian maturity to fully kick in.
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BLM doesn't mean someone's life matters more.. All they're saying and wanting I equality..
I have yet to see an officer murder a white person in Cold blood and receive paid leave..time and time and time again.
Nor have i seen the media play a white person being slain by the police over and over ... To desensitize people to their deaths..
On to your original post, to be honest... I think God loves everyone..but he doesn't love them the same. Some are given more grace..others less..grace is the only thing that kept me and you or anyonelse fro. Being born without a conscience and end up serial killers or born without arms or limbs... But for value, I guess god values everyone's life the same... But humans place higher value on those that are popular,pretty,smart,mentally sound,productive...basically normal.
I have yet to see an officer murder a white person in Cold blood and receive paid leave..time and time and time again.
Nor have i seen the media play a white person being slain by the police over and over ... To desensitize people to their deaths..
On to your original post, to be honest... I think God loves everyone..but he doesn't love them the same. Some are given more grace..others less..grace is the only thing that kept me and you or anyonelse fro. Being born without a conscience and end up serial killers or born without arms or limbs... But for value, I guess god values everyone's life the same... But humans place higher value on those that are popular,pretty,smart,mentally sound,productive...basically normal.
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God gives grace to the humble but resists the proud.
We have to see mankind through Gods eyes not through the eyes of the world. GOd judges on the heart. Often we cant discern the heart of someone straight away like God can.
God sees a broken heart and contrite spirit, and He goes and heals that.
God sees a stony heart and replaces it with one of flesh.
God sees a cankered heart and circumcises it by cutting it to the quick.
We have to see mankind through Gods eyes not through the eyes of the world. GOd judges on the heart. Often we cant discern the heart of someone straight away like God can.
God sees a broken heart and contrite spirit, and He goes and heals that.
God sees a stony heart and replaces it with one of flesh.
God sees a cankered heart and circumcises it by cutting it to the quick.
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Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of ... WHOM?
Why in Luke 16 is Lazarus's name given, whereas Dives is just "A certain rich man"?
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We can look at this from God's perspective or man's. While every soul is precious to God, He also knows that some men will love evil and live for evil. He already sees them in Hell. So their lives do not matter. On the other hand God sees those who will obey the Gospel and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Church (redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body) definitely matters to God and He has an eternal plan and purpose for the Church (which is the Body, the Bride, and the Building of Christ).
With regards to human relations, it is self-evident that some lives matter more than others to each and everyone. With reference to justice, Justice is supposed to be blind, but in reality the justice system is corrupt in every nation. With reference to race, all racial differences should be disregarded, and the qualities of each individual should only be taken into account. As far as God is concerned, there is only ONE RACE -- the human race, and each one will give account for their own deeds.
Race had become a relatively minor issue until Barack Obama came on the scene. He will be replaced shortly, and race will once again become a minor issue. To him the lives of Jihadists matter more than the lives of their innocent victims.
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I think the issue here is the big difference between someone who has died and not having defined the crackhead in a similar state. Will the crackhead repent? And when they do how will that affect their contribution to human history? Ecclesiastes 9:4
The way I see the only true distinguishing value of a person is whether they will be a sheep or a goat. Matthew 25:33
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Have I said that the rich matter more than the poor? See post #112.
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No. Why do you measure greatness by what a person does for humanity? Is not greatness measured by what one does for God or to glorify God?
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