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[dogs4thewin]

Nobody wants to answer the question...
Are ALL people made in the image and likeness of their Creator?

Yes, but that does not mean that all people are of equal worth in SOCIETY.

 

[amariselle]

Yes, but that does not mean that all people are of equal worth in SOCIETY.

But they ARE of equal worth to God. And as Christians, are we called to see people as God sees them, or as society sees them?

 

[RedPonyDriver]

I am not sure if they are meaning that, but in a crackhead state the person certainly is not providing a benefit to society as a whole.

And? Does that change the fact that the person was made in the image and likeness of God?

 

[dogs4thewin]

But they ARE of equal worth to God. And as Christians, are we called to see people as God sees them, or as society sees them?

It depends. You have to admit that some people have not done as much for our society as others, but that does not mean that they are a bad person.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And? Does that change the fact that the person was made in the image and likeness of God?

It really depends on how you define matter. There are some people that the world would not have been the same ( history wise) if they had no lived. In that sense they matter more, but that does not mean that we should only save certain people from say a burning building.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

It depends. You have to admit that some people have not done as much for our society as others, but that does not mean that they are a bad person.

One more time...and this is a yes or no question...
Are ALL people created in the image and likeness of God? If, as the bible says, all people are created in the image and likeness of God, do they all have intrinsic worth? IF the worth of a person is based on what they do for society, does it make sense to be "pro-life"?

 

[dogs4thewin]

One more time...and this is a yes or no question...
Are ALL people created in the image and likeness of God? If, as the bible says, all people are created in the image and likeness of God, do they all have intrinsic worth? IF the worth of a person is based on what they do for society, does it make sense to be "pro-life"?

Again, there are a few different ways to define matter. Just because someone is worth saving does not mean that at the end of the day the fact that they lived will matter in the long hall.

 

[amariselle]

It depends. You have to admit that some people have not done as much for our society as others, but that does not mean that they are a bad person.

I'm not saying that some people don't "do more for society than others", but that is not where a person's intrinsic value lies.

As Christians we should realize this, because we of all people should know how unworthy we ourselves are to receive God's love and forgiveness.

If we truly do realize this, then we will not be like the Pharisee who judges and condemns the tax collector.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Again, there are a few different ways to define matter. Just because someone is worth saving does not mean that at the end of the day the fact that they lived will matter in the long hall.

I asked a couple of simple questions that have yes or no answers...I have yet to get straight answers from many of the self-proclaimed "fundamentalist" or "conservative" Christians in this forum.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I'm not saying that some people don't "do more for society than others", but that is not where a person's intrinsic value lies.

As Christians we should realize this, because we of all people should know how unworthy we ourselves are to receive God's love and forgiveness.

If we truly do realize this, then we will not be like the Pharisee who judges and condemns the tax collector.

My point is at the end of people's lives certain people ended up having more of an impact than others did during their time on this Earth. This does not mean that their life is not worth saving while they are living.

 

[amariselle]

It really depends on how you define matter. There are some people that the world would not have been the same ( history wise) if they had no lived. In that sense they matter more, but that does not mean that we should only save certain people from say a burning building.

Those people you are referring to (and I'm assuming you mean those who do good for society in obedience to God) have only done so by the grace of God Himself. He is the one Who gives life and we can each choose to obey Him or to disobey Him.

The fact of the matter is, God calls people to different positions and missions in life. We are not all called to do the same things. We are part of the body of Christ and we each play our part. Just because one person has a position of more influence and responsibility, does not make them more worthwhile or valuable than someone who works for God in a role that is more behind the scenes, so to speak.

 

[amariselle]

My point is at the end of people's lives certain people ended up having more of an impact than others did during their time on this Earth. This does not mean that their life is not worth saving while they are living.

Of course, but each life is valuable. It's not a numbers game.

If someone has had great influence for Christ, then Christ is to be praised and all glory given to Him, and if someone touched even one life for Christ, then Christ is still to be praised, and all glory given to Him.

Though, remember, impact is not always something you can see outwardly, and perhaps not even right away. Most of us will never know in this life just how many lives we touched for God. It is often the "little things" that have the greatest impact. The way we live our lives for God, in obedience, day to day.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Those people you are referring to (and I'm assuming you mean those who do good for society in obedience to God) have only done so by the grace of God Himself. He is the one Who gives life and we can each choose to obey Him or to disobey Him.

The fact of the matter is, God calls people to different positions and missions in life. We are not all called to do the same things. We are part of the body of Christ and we each play our part. Just because one person has a position of more influence and responsibility, does not make them more worthwhile or valuable than someone who works for God in a role that is more behind the scenes, so to speak.

Actually, I was speaking of those who have done great for society and those who have been very evil. Both have had an effect on this world that most people have or will not.

 

[amariselle]

Actually, I was speaking of those who have done great for society and those who have been very evil. Both have had an effect on this world that most people have or will not.

Sure.

Though such things still do not determine the intrinsic value each person has. Our intrinsic value is not based on what we do or don't do.

Which is why unborn babies still have intrinsic value, even though they have done nothing in this world.

 

[ScottA]

Did Isaac Newton matter more than Hitler? Could we not attribute more value to mankind to Newton than Hitler?

Did William Shakespeare matter more than Justin Bieber ever will? Socrates more than Snoop Dog? Abraham Lincoln more than Al Sharpton?

Is it true that some lives matter more than others? Would you trade the life Jonas Salk (cured polio) for that of Kim Kardashian?

How about serial killers like Ted Bundy? Does your life matter more than his?

Do Some Lives Matter More Than Others?

One life matters - One begotten life.

However, it is the will of God that all lives matter within the purpose for which we are all born - that is, as we define life in the world. But we are as dead, unless we are born out of the world, and of the spirit of God.

So, then, it is our purpose before God that matters - which means, yes, all lives matter, some unto eternal life, and some unto eternal death.

 

[BornAgainChristian1]

Did Isaac Newton matter more than Hitler? Could we not attribute more value to mankind to Newton than Hitler?

Did William Shakespeare matter more than Justin Bieber ever will? Socrates more than Snoop Dog? Abraham Lincoln more than Al Sharpton?

Is it true that some lives matter more than others? Would you trade the life Jonas Salk (cured polio) for that of Kim Kardashian?

How about serial killers like Ted Bundy? Does your life matter more than his?

Do Some Lives Matter More Than Others?

Christ died for all mankind and few surrender to Him. The fact is we're all sinners in one way or another.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

I see no straight answers to my questions yet....

 

[ewq1938]

One more time...and this is a yes or no question...
Are ALL people created in the image and likeness of God? If, as the bible says, all people are created in the image and likeness of God, do they all have intrinsic worth?

At birth but as they age the ones that are wicked have less worth than those who are not wicked. God hates the wicked but loves the good.

IF the worth of a person is based on what they do for society, does it make sense to be "pro-life"?

Yes because murdering innocent babies is not moral.

 

[derpytia]

Did Isaac Newton matter more than Hitler? Could we not attribute more value to mankind to Newton than Hitler?

Did William Shakespeare matter more than Justin Bieber ever will? Socrates more than Snoop Dog? Abraham Lincoln more than Al Sharpton?

Is it true that some lives matter more than others? Would you trade the life Jonas Salk (cured polio) for that of Kim Kardashian?

How about serial killers like Ted Bundy? Does your life matter more than his?

Do Some Lives Matter More Than Others?

Christ died for us all. Every sinner. While we were STILL SINNING. Everyone matters to God despite how wicked and cruel they may be. Hard to wrap our heads around but it's true.

 

[amariselle]

Christ died for us all. Every sinner. While we were STILL SINNING. Everyone matters to God despite how wicked and cruel they may be. Hard to wrap our heads around but it's true.

Exactly.

And if we say that the lives of the "wicked" don't matter, then we are actually saying our own life doesn't matter.

We have ALL sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.