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I knew that. Most professed Christians are.
Based on what? Dispensationalism divides history of man into different dispensations as to how God has related to man. I don't think most Christians are even aware of the tenets of dispensationalism.

Dispensationalist believe that Jesus died for our sins so that we can have eternal life. That is the gospel of Jesus.

The Sadducees and Pharisees taught a system of impossible to keep works that went beyond what the intent of the law was. That was the yeast of the Pharisess and Sadducees. It has nothing to do with dispensationalism, whether the approach to breaking up history into different dispensations is right or wrong.

Dispensationalists are not preaching another gospel; what they are doing is they are claiming there are different dispensational periods to man's history.
And how else would we warn except we warn of falsehood? We warn just as Christ did. Beware of the leaven of the Dispensationalists.
Now you are justifying yourself as being on the same level as Jesus? "The leaven of the Dispensationalists"? Really, TS? That is absurd, and I disagree with the dispensationalist systematic approach of dividing history up into dispensational periods.

The dispensationalist preaching a different gospel is just a canard - what the real issue is that you believe that the church has become Israel. While dispensationalists maintain they are separate entities.

And everyone who maintains that the church is not Israel, but different - are not by virtue of that position - dispensationalists. So you should not be accusing someone of being a dispensationalist - unless they divide history up into different dispensations. Otherwise, you are being a false witness, and falsely conflating two different groups as being one.
 
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I find it quite hard to converse with some one as obtuse as you. Depending on the Bible version, the 3 1/2 years is called; time, times and half a time, or half of seven years, but in Revelation 12:14, three and a half years is clearly stated in my REB.
Your attempt to pull a red herring of a totally unrelated time period, as in Revelation 11:11, is just another dirversion to avoid addressing real issue; that God will change our calendar as a result of His terrible Day of wrath.
Go back to the KJV. REB is 1989 translation. Check to see what Strong's concordance for the word is - in both Revelation 11, for three and a half years - and what the time, times, half times is in Revelation 12.

Whether the calendar is changed to an exact 360 day year or not is irrelevant as to why it is 1260 days in Revelation 11:3 and 42months in Revelation 11:2 and a time, times, half time in Revelation 12:14.

They are expressed different for a reason, and it has to do with the sequence of the events.

The seven years begin. Starting with Revelation 11:3, 1260 days, then 3 1/2 days - leaving 1256.5 days expressed as 42 months that the beast will reign unimpeded by the two witnesses.

At 1263.5 days, the two witnesses ascend, the seventh trumpet blows, there is the war in the second heaven, Satan cast down having a time, times, half times left... undefined and undeterminable. You call it three and a half years, but it is less. Not likely by much.
 
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Go back to the KJV.
The KJV is a 1611 version, dedicated to the Most High and Mighty King James.
Its source documents are limited to the Latin Textus Receptus. Itself a flawed translation. Relying on the KJV for truth is foolishness.

I reject your convoluted theories. The three ways of saying the time period between the Anti-Christ desecrating the Temple and Jesus Returning, are all identical.
 
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I reject your convoluted theories. The three ways of saying the time period between the Anti-Christ desecrating the Temple and Jesus Returning, are all identical.
The REB has a different base document they are translating from for Revelation 12 than the KJV?

The Anti-Christ desecrating the Temple - what do you mean?
 
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The REB has a different base document they are translating from for Revelation 12 than the KJV?
Yes; the REB and all the modern translations have vastly more source documents, incl the Dead sea scrolls, to be sure of accuracy. The KJV has had books written, pointing out the hundreds of errors. Let alone the Church doctrines of the day and King James own insertions. Then there's the changes in the English language, of word meanings and metaphors.
KJV only people have been fooled by yet another of Satans cunning tricks.
The Anti-Christ desecrating the Temple - what do you mean?
His sitting in the holy Place, declaring himself to be god. Matthew 24:15 [corrected]
 
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His sitting in the holy Place, declaring himself to be god. Matthew 24:13

I think you meant Matthew 24:15.

Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel passages, because we have the same warning "those who are in Judea flee to the mountains" at the end of both passages.


Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
(See John 10:22, to understand.)
Mat 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.


Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.


Luk 19:41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 saying, "If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.
Luk 19:43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side,
Luk 19:44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation."


Antiochus Epiphanes set up a statue in the Jewish temple and had a pig slaughtered on the altar during 167 BC. He also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the sacrifices in the temple.
The city would also be attacked and the sacrifices would be stopped again during 70 AD.
We find the Jewish celebration of Hanukkah in John 10:22.
The Jews of Jesus time would have "understood" this fact, when they read Matthew 24:15.

Luke's Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


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Yes; the REB and all the modern translations have vastly more source documents, incl the Dead sea scrolls, to be sure of accuracy.
I am asking about Revelation 12 in particular. The 1989 REB "updates" the 1970 NET translation. The NET has a time, time, half times in Revelation 12.

The KJV has had books written, pointing out the hundreds of errors. Let alone the Church doctrines of the day and King James own insertions. Then there's the changes in the English language, of word meanings and metaphors.
The time, times, half times expression is also in Daniel 7:25 and Daniel 12:7. I think the REB translators made a mistake and applied their interpretation instead of translating.

His sitting in the holy Place, declaring himself to be god. Matthew 24:13

Matthew 24:13 - in the REB ? It is Matthew 24:15 in the KJV.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Anyway, the Antichrist sitting in the holy place takes place before the abomination of desolation. And the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 has no references to 1260 days. But 1290 days and the 1335th day.

So you are wrong, (1) referencing Matthew 24:15 as being the Antichrist sittting in the holy place. What will be in the holy place is the abomination of desolation, "standing" in the holy place. It will be the image made of the beast.

(2) there is no 1260 day expression in Daniel 12 associated with the abomination of desolation - to be one of what you are claiming is three ways of describing the exact identical timeframes from when the Antichrist desecrates the temple.

And actually none of the three - the 1260 days, the 42 months, the time, times, half times - are from when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. That particular day, the measurement to when Jesus returns is not given. It takes place like a thief in the night.
 
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Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),

Mat 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

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Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear should have the ability to see and hear what is happening in Israel now , and should have the sensibility to recognize that what is happening now will result in the armies of Israel's neighboring countries that have already publicly denounced Israel and publicly said they want Israel to be destroyed and wiped off the face of the earth will result in a major war

Notice the UN on the same day of Israel's 70th anniversary passed rulings against Israel ,all in the attempt that Israel be done away with in what ever manner they can accomplish it - which will indeed result in a major all out war as Israel will fight to the end for their right as a nation to exist .
Israel has a right to exist !

The failure of some people's interpretation of scripture is to say that because a similar happening has happened in the past and therefore it could not happen in the future is of the most obvious and blatant misrepresentation of scripture , The fact that the UN and the nations surrounding Israel are dead set against Israel is leading to a major war in the near future - anyone who says not is simply denying the reality of what is happening in front of their eyes

Scripture clearly flat out point blank describes the events that are happening now in the ME results in Jesus return to save Israel from total destruction - the time in the past of similar events did not result in the return of Jesus - with the many other things that the bible describes will happening shortly before Jesus returns are seen happening in recent times give a strong compelling argument that the return of Jesus is near and to suggest that just because something of similar happenings took place 2000 years ago mean it can't happen soon is nothing more than disregarding reality to support a failed doctrinal view
 
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I am thinking that the 70 weeks of Daniel were not fulfilled with Jesus' ministry. This is the text:
Daniel 9: 24-27 - Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

In bold, (above) is the part that I think was fulfilled. Looking at the text, it seems a bit obvious that not all of it was fulfilled, but requires the arrival of the kingdom.

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.

One theory, is that the final 3 1/2 years was fulfilled up until the stoning of Steven. In contrast to the futurist interpretation, I think that the final part of the prophesy relates to Titus, and the Romans, and 70 AD. The he, who confirms the covenant was Jesus, cut off mid-week, and causing the sacrifice to cease.
But the idea, that the 70th week closes with the stoning of Steven, is a weak argument, and I think that perhaps this final 3 1/2 years is projected forward somehow.


29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

There would appear to be a tribulation associated with the return of Christ?

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

The tares are removed from the earth. The elect remain. Where is the tribulation, if the days were as in the days of Noah? The scenario is one of normality - things carrying on as usual.
Unless there is an error in the gathering of the information in Matthew 24. There can't be tribulation, and days of Noah at the same time.

Luke 21:
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

In Luke 21, there is no tribulation, rather trepidation - signs in the heavens. Perhaps Matthew 24 was talking about the great tribulation of 70 AD, and somehow the order of Jesus teachings got jumbled up.

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

The worthy to escape? escape what? Luke 21 again:

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter there into.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Talking about 70 AD.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles, might be the clue, that there is a break, and the prophesy continues about the last days...
This part of Matthew 24 is derived from the OT:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

I think it might have been a summary - Jesus quoting form the OT in regard to the day of the Lord - both 70 AD and the last days. What makes sense to me, is that there cannot be both a great tribulation of the last days, and the days of Noah, at the same time. So the great tribulation must be about 70 AD. The snare that ensnares everyone on the earth, (from Luke 21) is about the day of the Lord - and it is unexpected (a rabbit is caught by surprise).

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

It still doesn't solve the mystery of the 3 1/2 years. And what would be the point of a pre-trib rapture, if there is no tribulation to escape? What is probably meant, is that we need to be worthy to escape the removal of the tares, as in Matthew 13:

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity.

The scenario is, that the tares are removed (by angels) from the kingdom, which must be the earth, as the tares would not be in heaven. Then the elect are gathered by angels - (Mark 13):

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

A gathering together of all the elect - from heaven and earth, to presumably some new heaven. The rapture would be at the close of the age, when the angels gather the elect, after the tares have been removed.
What about the final 3 1/2 weeks? This might be a period of persecution of the church for 3 1/2 years?
It might be that the church escapes for this final period - so many believe so. I don't see any hard evidence to exclude that possibility either. The final period would be a time of normality, but with trepidation - odd things occurring in the heavens.















I'm sure it's a tough thing to figure out, i must have just got lucky. Or else i knew how to pick the right teachers. Or else it really is HE who gives wisdom to the wise. Thank You Lord.

In your note, it looks like too much going on. Daniel 9, Matthew 24 and Luke 21. We could probably write a book for each one.

The 70 weeks are past. 457BC to 34AD. They were fulfilled as a failure. They were cut off, chathak, from the 2300 years, but the Old Time Jews failed to redeem them.

Luke 21 was in the morning, inside the Temple, in the woman's court. Jesus was surrounded by many people that came there early every morning to hear Him teach.

Matthew 24 was in the evening, 25 minutes away from the Temple, down the Temple mount, across the Kidron Valley and up to the mount called Olivet. There were only four disciples in attendance.

Here is a list of the 18 prophetic time periods found in Daniel and Revelation. This list is compiled and provided free of charge by Larry Wilson. I am a student of his.

1. Time, times and half a time (saints persecuted – Daniel 7:25)

2. 2,300 evenings and mornings (until temple restored – Daniel 8:14)

3. 70 weeks (determined upon the Jews, Messiah crucified – Daniel 9:24,25)

4. Time, times and half a time (when completed, power of the holy people broken – Daniel 12:7)

5. 1,290 days (from the end of the daily to the setting up of the abomination – Daniel 12:11)

6. 1,335 days (blessed is the one who waits for and reaches this day – Daniel 12:12)

7. Half hour of silence (at the opening of the 7th seal – Revelation 8:1)

8. 5 months (length of torture upon those not having the seal of God – Revelation 9:5)

9. Hour, day, month and year (punctiliar event when war begins – Revelation 9:15)

10. 42 months (Gentiles trample holy city – Revelation 11:2)

11. 1,260 days (Two Witnesses empowered for this length of time – Revelation 11:3)

12. 3.5 days (bodies of Two Witnesses lie in the street – Revelation 11:11)

13. 1,260 days (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:6)

14. Time, times and half a time (woman fled into the desert – Revelation 12:14)

15. 42 months ( beast was allowed to exercise authority – Revelation 13:5)

16. One hour (ten kings join with beast – Revelation 17:12)

17. One day, one hour (Babylon’s destruction begins – Revelation 18:8,19)

18. 1,000 years (Satan in the abyss – Revelation 20:2)​

Due to the operation of the Jubilee calendar, where we get the idea of weeks of years, any prophetic time period that belongs prior to 1994, needs to be translated as a day for a year. After 1994, all of the time periods are in literal time.

The 70 weeks were cut off from the larger 2300 time period, they both begin with 457BC.

The time, times and half a time from Daniel 7 and Revelation 12, and the 1260 days from Revelation 12, are the 1260 years which ran from 538 to 1798. These Foxe Book days began with the three being plucked up by the roots, and ended with the sixth head receiving his mortal head wound during the French Revolution.

Daniel 12, Revelation 11 and 13, will all find their places within the 1335 days.

I think we are already within these time periods, or don't have too much more time to wait.

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Dave Watchman, post: 72812730, member: 345395"]I'm sure it's a tough thing to figure out, i must have just got lucky. Or else i knew how to pick the right teachers. Or else it really is HE who gives wisdom to the wise. Thank You Lord.

In your note, it looks like too much going on. Daniel 9, Matthew 24 and Luke 21. We could probably write a book for each one.

The 70 weeks are past. 457BC to 34AD. They were fulfilled as a failure. They were cut off, chathak, from the 2300 years, but the Old Time Jews failed to redeem them.

that's awfully complicated. it says that it is in the middle of the last week that messiah shall be cut off - which leaves 3 1/2 years. as the prophesy has not been completely fulfilled, according to my reasoning, then it is reasonable to project the final 3 1/2 years to the end time Jacob's trouble period, at the close of the age, when all will be fulfilled.
I don't agree with the theory that this period of 3 1/2 years, however it is rendered, is 1260 years, I think that period of persecution was during the time of Antiochus IV, possibly an archetype for the last days period.
But if there is any merit to that obscure book, Revelation, then the woman is the church which will be taken to a place of safety for 3 1/2 years.
 
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that's awfully complicated. it says that it is in the middle of the last week that messiah shall be cut off - which leaves 3 1/2 years.

It did. But time is continuous. The clock kept running to 34AD. Then the Gospel was given to a nation that would bear it's fruit.

I don't agree with the theory that this period of 3 1/2 years, however it is rendered, is 1260 years, I think that period of persecution was during the time of Antiochus IV, possibly an archetype for the last days period.
But if there is any merit to that obscure book, Revelation, then the woman is the church which will be taken to a place of safety for 3 1/2 years.

She was nourished for 1260 years. Revelation 12 and Daniel 7 is past.

Who said she was taken to a place of safety? That sounds like Dave Pack talking. She was nourished, she was not allowed to be wiped out. But she wasn't always very safe.

This is the "woman" from Revelation 12:


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"And the wise among the people shall make many understand, though for some days they shall stumble by sword and flame, by captivity and plunder. When they stumble, they shall receive a little help. And many shall join themselves to them with flattery, and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.​

Revelation 12, Daniel 7 and these verses from Daniel 11 are talking about the Foxe Book days, the dark ages, Peter Waldo, the Waldensians, the Piedmont Easter and Martin Luther and so forth.

Piedmont Easter.

Notice it says that the wise among the people shall make MANY understand, but they can't make everyone understand.

These were the Dragon chasing the woman.

We are the rest of her offspring that the Dragon has been preparing to make war on.

"and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.​

"But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.​

But then the woman, God's people, were specifically given the TWO wings of the great eagle so that she could escape from the dragon to the place prepared for her. Like a solid rocket booster on the space shuttle Discovery, wing #1 was used up during the 1260 years of papal persecution from 538 to 1798. Wing #2 is still burning it's propellant pending the beast's 42 months of end time authority. But we are not the woman in the wilderness anymore, we are the offspring of the woman, who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus, with whom the dragon is preparing to make war with.

"The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth.​

A "place prepared by God" is a holy place. In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue, there were four blood moons and God was opening up a new continent. A flood was spewing forth from the dragon's mouth but with the help of men like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson a holy place, "the earth", would be made ready to help the woman after 1260 years of papal persecution came to an end in 1798. The first nation on the planet complete with a "Bible belt" was to be born when it was previously illegal to be caught with one.

In 1776 America was founded and would become a safe place for God's people to own, print and study their Bibles. Prior to this in the dark ages of Europe, entire villages of Christian men, women and children had none of these religious freedoms and were burnt at the stake more often than not for reading or owning their own Bibles. This was the dragon chasing the woman and these estimated 75 million or more Christian martyrs would become the 5th seal souls beneath the alter. Lucifer was the hand that used the early church like a glove which hit the woman very hard during the middle ages. The founding fathers of the USA made sure that church and state were separate, America! America! God shed His grace on thee.

"Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.​

I think people would be surprised to see how far we are into Revelation's narrative.
 
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OK - possibly the 70 weeks is fulfilled - can't be sure, personally.

She was nourished for 1260 years. Revelation 12 and Daniel 7 is past.

If it's 1260 years, why not just write years instead of days?

Who said she was taken to a place of safety? That sounds like Dave Pack talking. She was nourished, she was not allowed to be wiped out. But she wasn't always very safe.

I know the theory (one theory) is that the wilderness is the USA, but that does not line up with 1260 years of persecution, in Europe. What was she nourished with? Burning at the stake?

"and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

"But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.

But then the woman, God's people, were specifically given the TWO wings of the great eagle so that she could escape from the dragon to the place prepared for her. Like a solid rocket booster on the space shuttle Discovery, wing #1 was used up during the 1260 years of papal persecution from 538 to 1798.

there was nowhere to run to during the papal persecution - America wasn't discovered yet.

In 1776 America was founded and would become a safe place for God's people to own, print and study their Bibles. Prior to this in the dark ages of Europe, entire villages of Christian men, women and children had none of these religious freedoms and were burnt at the stake more often than not for reading or owning their own Bibles. This was the dragon chasing the woman and these estimated 75 million or more Christian martyrs would become the 5th seal souls beneath the alter. Lucifer was the hand that used the early church like a glove which hit the woman very hard during the middle ages. The founding fathers of the USA made sure that church and state were separate, America! America! God shed His grace on thee.

The bible was permitted after the reformation - in England the reformation began in 1536 in Germany 1517. Non-conformity to the English Church was not allowed, so they escaped to America.

I think people would be surprised to see how far we are into Revelation's narrative.

I can't understand Revelation narrative, so I don't try to.

 
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Not interested in a book - just simple straight forward answer to a simple question
If there is proof that bible prophecies have come true based on a 365 day year that disregard the calendar used in the OT what are the exact prophecies ?- you can either show what prophecies you can prove or you cannot prove it
Yes, there is proof that bible prophecy is based on a 365-day year. The Hebrew calendar is luni-solar, meaning it follows the moon, but adds an extra month when needed to bring it into step with the sun. Over long periods it always synchronises with the solar cycle.
 
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Yes, there is proof that bible prophecy is based on a 365-day year. The Hebrew calendar is luni-solar, meaning it follows the moon, but adds an extra month when needed to bring it into step with the sun. Over long periods it always synchronises with the solar cycle.
Well , what are they , can you provide the exact scripture of prophecy and prove when it began and ended , thank you --there is a different calendar that Israel went by in the OT with different months as their new day starts in the evening unlike our new day starts at 12:01 AM
 
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Well , what are they , can you provide the exact scripture of prophecy and prove when it began and ended , thank you --

Here is one example of how Old Testament prophecy is based on a 365-day year. (There are more) Jeremiah predicted that the empire of Babylon would last exactly 70 years and then be destroyed. (Jer. 25:8-14) This was fulfilled precisely.

Babylon supplanted Assyria in 609 BC (3 years after the fall of Nineveh) and was itself supplanted by Persia in 539 BC as described in Daniel 5. The distance between the 2 dates is exactly 70 years. Of course, the Jewish individual years were lunar, but averaged out to 365-day years over the total period.
 
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Here is one example of how Old Testament prophecy is based on a 365-day year. (There are more) Jeremiah predicted that the empire of Babylon would last exactly 70 years and then be destroyed. (Jer. 25:8-14) This was fulfilled precisely.

Babylon supplanted Assyria in 609 BC (3 years after the fall of Nineveh) and was itself supplanted by Persia in 539 BC as described in Daniel 5. The distance between the 2 dates is exactly 70 years. Of course, the Jewish individual years were lunar, but averaged out to 365-day years over the total period.
I think that the 70 years would be what we would consider 70 years.

But when you say exactly 70 years, how exact is exact - to the exact day? I personally don't think that is what was intended. Why? Because it was not given in terms of days. i.e. 70 x 365.25.

If a person were to say the number of years was exactly the same as prophesied - then to me that would be less confusing.
 
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Douggg said:
But when you say exactly 70 years, how exact is exact - to the exact day?

Ninevah was destroyed 612 BC , then the new capital Harran captured in 609 BC. This marks the switch-point from Assyrian to Babylonian supremacy. Babylon was destroyed in October 539 BC so the accuracy is in months and that is pretty good, don't you agree?

But my point here is that Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled in literal years as we know them - not 'make believe' 360-day years. That theory has been debunked.
 
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