3 1/2 years...

[Inkfingers]

I note with some humour and a little bit of :o that 1278 is three sixes longer than 1260.....

 

[Hiscosmicgoldfish3]

I note with some humour and a little bit of that 1278 is three sixes longer than 1260.....

 

[Douggg]

This is an interesting point.

Revelation 12:6 explicitly mentions 1260 days.

3.5 years is 1278 days by our calendar.

What I meant was the word phrase three and a half years is not in end time bible prophecy in the bible in the text. Saying three and a half years is more of a habit people have as they divide the seven years in half - because for one thing they misinterpret Daniel 9:27 to think in the middle of as exactly the precise middle - when instead what it actually means is in the midst of or middle part, which there is some leeway on either side of the exact middle.

The 1260 days would be exactly half of the 7 years - when no make up days or months are taken into consideration. But I would not call it 3.5 years because the bible does not use that term. I say stick with the term the bible uses whenever possible.

From the perspective of being able to understand bible prophecy that is what we have to work with - since we are not told what year or month the 7 years begin - to factor in the adjustment months and/or days to be in sync with the 365.25 day year.

To me, it is a big side issue the 365.25 days, to understanding the prophecies.

 

[Inkfingers]

I know! Tell me about it!

That was a real "!!!" moment with the opening chords of O Fortuna playing in my head.

 

[Inkfingers]

The 1260 days would be exactly half of the 7 years - when no make up days or months are taken into consideration.

But it's not.

1278 days is exactly half of 7 years.

Which is 1260 + 6 + 6 +6

 

[seventysevens]

In the bible it uses "times + time + half a time" that equals 3 1/2 years - the biblical calendar had 30 days in a month or sometimes just under a full 30 days - they even had different names for the months of the year -

If anyone can show the calculations of fulfilled biblical prophecies using a "365 day calendar which would need to include any leap year that happened "
that did not exist in the OT - I would like to see what evidence you have

 

[BABerean2]

In the bible it uses "times + time + half a time" that equals 3 1/2 years - the biblical calendar had 30 days in a month or sometimes just under a full 30 days - they even had different names for the months of the year -

If anyone can show the calculations of fulfilled biblical prophecies using a "365 day calendar which would need to include any leap year that happened "
that did not exist in the OT - I would like to see what evidence you have

The best book now available on the ancient Hebrew calendar is "The Atonement Clock" by Christian Gedge.


Click the link below to see the book.


https://www.amazon.com/Atonement-Cl...529150587&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Atonement+Clock


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[seventysevens]

The best book now

Not interested in a book - just simple straight forward answer to a simple question
If there is proof that bible prophecies have come true based on a 365 day year that disregard the calendar used in the OT what are the exact prophecies ?- you can either show what prophecies you can prove or you cannot prove it

 

[Douggg]

But it's not.

1278 days is exactly half of 7 years.

Which is 1260 + 6 + 6 +6

It's not as simple as you are saying...when a person starts marking off his calendar because of leap years.

For example, 2024 is a leap year that has an extra day

Less say the 7 years begin in Jan 1, 2020. "common years" are 365 days long. "leap years" are 366 days long.

2020 - 365 days
2021 - 365 days
2022 - 365 days
first half of 2023 - 182.5 days..... totaling 1,277.5 days

second half of 2023 - 182.5 days
2024 (a leap year) - 366 days
2025 - 365 days
2026 - 365 days ...... totaling 1278.5 days

A total of 2556 days for the 7 years. The two halves of the 7 years though are not exactly equal because of the leap year.

A different example. What if the 7 years start in 2022.

2022 - 365
2023 - 365
2024 - 366
first half of 2025 - 182.5 days....totaling 1278.5 days

second half of 2025 -182.5 days
2026 - 365
2027 - 365
2028 - 366......totaling 1278.5 days

But the 7 years in that example total 2557 days, not 2556 days.
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The Jewish system would be even more amplified difference because they employ leap months, on a uneven cycle.

"A leap year occurs 7 times in the 19-year Metonic cycle. With years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19 of the cycle being leap years, this corresponds to a frequency of every 2 to 3 years."

 

[friend of]

while the foolish are looking for physical fulfillments and buying oil from false prophets/christs who are selling FALSE

I don't think it's appropriate to accuse so many people of being false professors of the faith just because they hold to a different eschatology than you.

 

[keras]

It's not as simple as you are saying...when a person starts marking off his calendar because of leap years.

For example, 2024 is a leap year that has an extra day

Less say the 7 years begin in Jan 1, 2020. "common years" are 365 days long. "leap years" are 366 days long.

2020 - 365 days
2021 - 365 days
2022 - 365 days
first half of 2023 - 182.5 days..... totaling 1,277.5 days

second half of 2023 - 182.5 days
2024 (a leap year) - 366 days
2025 - 365 days
2026 - 365 days ...... totaling 1278.5 days

A total of 2556 days for the 7 years. The two halves of the 7 years though are not exactly equal because of the leap year.

A different example. What if the 7 years start in 2022.

2022 - 365
2023 - 365
2024 - 366
first half of 2025 - 182.5 days....totaling 1278.5 days

second half of 2025 -182.5 days
2026 - 365
2027 - 365
2028 - 366......totaling 1278.5 days

But the 7 years in that example total 2557 days, not 2556 days.
______________________________________________
The Jewish system would be even more amplified difference because they employ leap months, on a uneven cycle.

"A leap year occurs 7 times in the 19-year Metonic cycle. With years 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17, and 19 of the cycle being leap years, this corresponds to a frequency of every 2 to 3 years."

This is confusion; and who is the author of confusion?
I have shown how the time periods in Daniel and Revelation can and will be reconciled.
That people here reject the idea of a forthcoming catastrophe that will shift the earth from her place, Isaiah 13:13, just shows their inability to accept what the Bible prophets have told us.
It is beliefs in false theories and wanting God to do something for them, that He never said He would do, that clouds the mind and makes it very difficult to understand the real truth.

What I meant was the word phrase three and a half years is not in end time bible prophecy in the bible in the text.

Why do you make such inaccurate comments? I counted 4 times in Daniel and twice in Revelation, where 3 1/2 years, or half of 7 years, is mentioned.

But it's not.

1278 days is exactly half of 7 years.

Which is 1260 + 6 + 6 +6

Using the word 'exactly' is your mistake.
Exactly half of 7 orbits of the sun around the earth is; 1278.34 days.
So any speculation, as you do, is of no use or value.

 

[Inkfingers]

Using the word 'exactly' is your mistake.
Exactly half of 7 orbits of the sun around the earth is; 1278.34 days.
So any speculation, as you do, is of no use or value.

Actually, you will find the decimal points continue, so "using the word 'exactly' is your mistake".

Point being, we are counting days - and the halfway point of 7 years is not 1260 days.

 

[Douggg]

Why do you make such inaccurate comments? I counted 4 times in Daniel and twice in Revelation, where 3 1/2 years, or half of 7 years, is mentioned.

You are making a misinterpretation. The words three and a half years don't appear in the text.

Contrary to Revelation 11, which three and a half days is in the text.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Where do you find those words in the bible as applied to years?

 

[TribulationSigns]

I don't think it's appropriate to accuse so many people of being false professors of the faith just because they hold to a different eschatology than you.

The false doctrine of Dispensationalism is peripheral to the doctrine of Christ? Who said so? Dispensationalism by definition is a robbery, distortion and adulteration of the promises, mission and fulfillment of the Messiah of the Bible. That is exactly what it is. And that (I can honestly tell you) is decidedly not, peripheral. It is another gospel and another doctrine of another different kingdom of god. It is another teaching other than the God breathed teaching of Christ's Kingdom in which we are reigning now, specifically because He's already established it and is seated on the throne. What was separated is now joined in grace through one body Israel, which is Christ our Lord. And it is sad that so many professing Christians today have been moved so far off from the doctrines of Christ, to this other gospel.

Galations 1:6-7

• "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
• Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ."

If calling Dispensationalism false is attacking another's faith, then by the same token, calling Satanism false is also attacking another man's faith. Because all men have faith. Some have faith in Muhammad, some in Science, some in themselves and others in a false, pseudo or Anti Christ. And so by that criteria of one's faith, we could never say any doctrine is false. Because every religion has those of faith in it. Just not the saving faith but blind faith also. The question is, is Dispensationalism the truth of the faith of Christ, or is it of another faith? Is a false hope of Israel through a false teaching "ever" of the faith of Christ? i.e., is Christ for or against this doctrine? That is the relevant question that we all should answer. If against, then we as followers of Christ (Christians) should also be against it. But if Christ supports the doctrine of Dispensationalism, then shame on us for teaching another gospel. We're in one camp or the other, but not both.

 

[friend of]

Well, I don't believe Christ is spiritually done with the physical nation of Israel and that He will come again to be worshiped openly by a remnant of physical Jewish peoples at the time of the end. So if that's dispensationalism then I guess I'm a dispensationalist.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Well, I don't believe Christ is spiritually done with the physical nation of Israel and that He will come again to be worshiped openly by a remnant of physical Jewish peoples at the time of the end. So if that's dispensationalism then I guess I'm a dispensationalist.

I knew that. Most professed Christians are.

More often than not in our day, it is the professed Christians that are the enemy. It is written, many are wolves in sheep's clothing come in to deceive by means of the deceit of appearance, by rationalization, or by using smooth enticing words to charm. All claiming they are apostles or followers of Christ. They don't come against the kingdom with Dragon breath, pitch fork and hot coals, they appear as messengers of light while actually being ministers of unrighteousness.

2nd Corinthians 11:13-15

• "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
• And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
• Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

What some "professing" Christians may appear to be (to the seriously misguided), is often not what they really are. They are family, friends and brethren in name only, because they are not really united in the Spirit of God. Are they not those who betray the Christ that we serve? The fact that some people may not "recognize" this departure from truth as deception is a given as far as the church is concerned. We were warned many times, particularly by Christ Himself, but we're often too busy trying to fit in with everyone else to process His warnings. They aren't called wolves in sheep's clothing for nothing. It's because they "appear" outwardly as Christ's sheep. But it's their doctrines and their fruits that give them away. Christ warned us to particularly beware of them, but who is listening today?

Matthew 7:15-16

• "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
• Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

By their fruits, their works, their doctrines. That is how you recognize them, not by them professing to be Christian. They aren't building Christ's church when they are in support of Roman Catholicism, Dispensationism or by a salvation by any other name. That's false teaching any way you divide it.

Don’t misunderstand this. Christians don't attack Christians, they bear witness to the truth, which is an OFFENSE to many and by nature "against" false doctrines. FOR EXAMPLE "The false doctrine of Dispensationalism." In other words, a testimony of the truth will inevitably be a witness against this doctrine. And that ultimately offends the brainwashed masses who have more respect for diverse opinions and pastors than for the actual word of God.

 

[friend of]

More often than not in our day, it is the professed Christians that are the enemy. It is written, many are wolves in sheep's clothing come in to deceive by means of the deceit

I think it's a grievous mistake for this to be one's default attitude when handling other brothers and sisters whom differ in interpretation from you, but that's my opinion. It's not wise to be so defensive and paranoid.

Dispensationism or by a salvation by any other name. That's false teaching any way you divide it.

I fail to see how holding to Dispensationalism becomes a detraction from the gospel. Care to explain?

 

[TribulationSigns]

I fail to see how holding to Dispensationalism becomes a detraction from the gospel. Care to explain?

Matthew 16:6

• "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."

As Christ warns, so the witnesses of Christ warns. Beware the leaven of the Dispensationalists! What shall we then say? There is no reason to call the Pharisees doctrines false, because these brethren were of the same congregation as Christ? No, their doctrines had to be witnessed against as false--because they were. And how else would we warn except we warn of falsehood? We warn just as Christ did. Beware of the leaven of the Dispensationalists.

No, I don't "disagree" with Dispensationalism, I reject that leaven outright as "another gospel" that is in support of another kingdom, separating God's children and having nothing to do with Christ's testimonies. And as such, this doctrine is unworthy to be called the gospel of Christ, or the truth, or to be known as the hope of Israel. We call it false doctrine for one simple reason--It is.

2nd John 1:10-11

• "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
• For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Yes-- I know "some Christians just don't get it!" Even some well meaning Christians (in the worldly sense) don't get it. But we either are with Christ, or against him. We have one Spirit, and it is a FACT that the Spirit within true Christians, rejects the leaven of Dispensationalism. And I believe that we are simply not to receive those who come with another doctrine other than the doctrine of the Kingdom. Dispensationalism is another doctrine, another Kingdom, another plan of another god. It's not from the God of the Bible, Obviously! The charity, which is agape love, compels me to testify to these things. No malice, no hatred, simply the truth in love of love -- that is to say, love in its REAL Christian meaning, not the way it is usually used.

By the way, you were here long enough to read my posts about dispensationlism. You can search my posts for answers to your question.

I’m done for the night to enjoy the evening.

 

[keras]

You are making a misinterpretation. The words three and a half years don't appear in the text.

Contrary to Revelation 11, which three and a half days is in the text.

11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Where do you find those words in the bible as applied to years?

I find it quite hard to converse with some one as obtuse as you. Depending on the Bible version, the 3 1/2 years is called; time, times and half a time, or half of seven years, but in Revelation 12:14, three and a half years is clearly stated in my REB.
Your attempt to pull a red herring of a totally unrelated time period, as in Revelation 11:11, is just another dirversion to avoid addressing real issue; that God will change our calendar as a result of His terrible Day of wrath.

 

[friend of]

As Christ warns, so the witnesses of Christ warns. Beware the leaven of the Dispensationalists

That's a rather ipso facto statement. The Bible verse does not actually state this, however.

The charity, which is agape love, compels me to testify to these things.

And what would you say if I told you that the Spirit compelled me to bring this to your attention, that you are erring when you say that dispensationalists are not true Christians?