That is not true. I do believe those things happened with the Romans in 70 AD.
Oh, but I thought if
everything didn't happen,
nothing happened. Sure suonds that way. "If Christ hasn't returned, the Temple is still there (or will have to be put back, because it's scheduled to be destroyed again).
I don't know where you are creating these suppositions about my beliefs.
"The Temple can't have desecrated because Christ hasn't returned yet", right?
Jesus Christ clearly did not "count" them as you say.
There's doctrine talking again. If y'all believe it, then by cracky that's what the Lord believed." Nope, more rubbish. He told His people (those standing in front of Him at the time) what was about to happen. "Oh, He wasn't really talking to them!" More rubbish.
There are many things about Jesus' words on the Mount of Olives that were not fulfilled
So if all weren't, none were, right? Rubbish.
with the Romans - many were, many were not, and considering the cosmic darkening of the skies must happen "immediately after" the abomination of desolation
Which happened then very much as it happened in Daniel's prophecy. Imagine that!
, I tend to think the abomination has not yet occurred either.
Because you need it to happen again, otherwise your doctrine falls apart.
I am exploring the vast array of prophecies and opinions about end times, regardless of people's position, yours included.
And bought the one that's almost exclusively held by American Evangelicals. What a coincidence.
I was okay with discussing these things, hearing your view points, taking things into consideration, but when you call people's doctrine and beliefs "rubbish" it tends to end the conversation.
Fair play. But the fact is that I consider any doctrine that has to deny history in order to stay afloat is necessarily rubbish. I feel like that the same way I feel about flat earth, even though it hurts FE folks' feeling, it's still nonsense.
I don't understand the point of your anger and hostile words in a Christian forum meant for discussion.
Largely because so many Christians whose religion appears to be based on eschalotogical ideas that are, if not wholly false, then based of stuff that's of dubious interpretations. What makes that even worse is that there are so many to whom dubious "end times" notions are the linchpin of their faith. They may never have read the Gospels, but you can bet your last piastre, along with most of Genesis, they've read the Revelation, and the Olivet discourse,, and bits of Daniel. That's not much of a foundation for an abiding faith, and leaves far too many with no actual understanding of the basis of Christianity. That leaves makes them fair game for every glib huckster who can sell 'em a kinda-sorta biblical bill of goods that keeps their money flowing into his pockets.
"Millions Now Living Will Nver Die!", right. It was rubbish, but there are still people following the same bunch who told that whopper. And they're not all alone, by any means. Sheep shearing is a time dishonored way to riches, and End Times whoop-whoop with just enough basis in Scripture to make it sound convincing to those who don't know any better is its best sales technique.
It only undermines what could be an enjoyable civil insight into one another's perspectives.
Civility probably isn't one of my signal virtues.
