2025 predictions thread

[tailgator]

Nah, I've just been wondering how it is that so many people are presumably sort of literate don't know anything about history at all.

BTW, when were you last at the Temple? I mean, it has to be there, because our Lord hasn't returned yet, right? And it isn't like he was really talking to those folks who had asked Him questions, right? They'd just have to wait for the Book, huh?

Bu hey, give us some more of your predictions. Yours are the best I'm heard since old Brother Stair breathed his last. He predicted that nuclear war we all remember so well back in '88. And hey, all the heavy hitters like Texe Marrs who warned us about the coming Y2K disasters. Then the Blood Moons, and the Mayan calendar, all those other Sure Fire, Absolute Lock, Can't Miss, predictions of The Rapture just guarantee that the y'all got the End Times schedule laid out minute by minute. Hey, I'd buy a copy myself but I keep all my money tied up in currency.

When was I last at the temple,?

I am the temple of God and the spirit of God dwells in me.


I don't have any more predictions for 2025.

 

[tailgator]

You can if you want one. I

Well that's good to know. Tell him I said hey next time you see him. Be sure to tell him to send that box with the Ark of the Covenant in it back to Israel, too. And make sure they don't send 'em the Abomination of Desolation by mistake.

Haha
Like I said in my first post.I do believe he will send a host of armed forces instead.Its not going to save them though.Unlike God,Trump is not going to keep his promise to save Israel.

 

[Timtofly]

The same commentaries say the abomination that causes desolation was placed in Jerusalem in 164 bc.

If you believe the commentary of Jason of Cyrene which you are reading ,then you must believe Jesus is wrong .

You believe Jesus is wrong?

Mathew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.

So the actual prophecy was a bomb detonated as the type and foreshadow of your AoD, a nuke?

Did Antiochus Epiphanes set off some Chinese fireworks, thus setting the scene for a future AoD?

Did Jesus' audience understand the AoD in Daniel, and would they recognize it if they saw it?

As far as I can tell nothing in Daniel 8 resembles a bomb.

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )"

Notice in parenthesis Matthew was letting the reader see that those who heard Jesus knew exactly what Jesus was talking about because there was a yearly observance of the historical effect this AoD had on Israel.

Readers in each generation over thousands of years were not supposed to make up some AoD that existed in their time and claim there was no historical account of an actual fulfilled AoD in the past.

The reader is supposed to go outside of Scripture and understand the same history that those in the audience that day would fully understand as their yearly memorial, which, in fact, is still observed to this very day.

This does not have to be Scripture. Not all of fulfilled prophecy was placed into the text of the Bible. Not even 70AD was ever written down as fulfillment of some prophecy, even though it fulfilled Daniel 9:26.

Antiochus Epiphanes does not have to be placed into Scripture as proof parts of Daniel were fulfilled.

Some cannot even fathom that Daniel gave us five kingdoms in Daniel 2 and the 5th would be centuries after the completion of the NT Canon, never making it into Scripture. The Second Coming did not make it into the Bible as fulfilled, because it has not been. But to say that Antiochus Epiphanes did not fulfill Daniel 8 is being disingenuous.

Neither does what an historian did write, even if not Canon, would make Jesus a liar, nor what Jesus said untrue. No one today will know what the AoD actually is because no one today seems to understand the Bible when it comes to prophecy, have come up with their own private interpretation, or deny such an event will even happen. Jesus was preparing those that day, even if it never happened in their lifetime.

Even John in Revelation never put this event into the same perspective as Jesus did on the mount of Olives. John never even hinted at this AoD as ever happening. Where would you, in your atomic host, even place this AoD in the book of Revelation?

Obviously wherever you do, it will not fit the wording, nor even the implication of John's own chosen symbolic words. And there is no fleeing ever mentioned other than at the time Jesus was born.

The way Jesus worded it was that each individual would need to take it upon themselves to flee, without any outside admonition, nor corporate help via many individuals.

I would say, that when the time comes, those who need to flee will have never even heard nor considered the words of Jesus in that verse. They would only know that information if the 144k themselves had read those words within hearing of all effected who would be in the area when the time did come. Many deny Jesus is even on the earth at the time. Jesus has His work cut out, getting rid of all human theology, just to get to the point for a refresher course on what He did say the first time around.

Most posters here think this event will happen while we are in this era of instant and almost world wide communication. I don't see that being the case. I see it being even more difficult than life under first century Rome, because there will be nothing established unless Satan pulls of one huge miracle, that has never before been experienced; in a time of trouble never ever experienced by humanity, not even at the Flood, which was rather merciful and swift.

For the earth to be baptized in fire and yet humans still alive in the billions will be quite an historical feat just in itself. This sudden and swift destruction where every one is dead in 24 hours, just don't match up to the book of Revelation.

 

[Timtofly]

I am not reading the commentary of Jason of Cyrene, and I don't believe that Jesus was wrong. Robertson's New Testament Word Pictures says that the abomination refers both to Antiochus Epiphanes and later to the Romans:

"Antiochus Epiphanes erected an altar to Zeus on the altar of Jehovah. The desolation in the mind of Jesus is apparently the Roman army [{Lu 21:20 }] in the temple, an application of the words of Daniel to this dread event. The verb βδελυσσομαι is to feel nausea because of stench, to abhor, to detest. Idolatry was a stench to God. [{Lu 16:15 Re 17:4 }] Josephus tells us that the Romans burned the temple and offered sacrifices to their ensigns placed by the eastern gate when they proclaimed Titus as Emperor."

Certainly neither Jesus nor Daniel mention anything that could refer to the armed forces of the United States.

I would point out that if the Roman army is the AoD, not even Jesus fled heading His own words. They would have already been an AoD as Jesus was growing up.

Burning the temple was not what Jesus had in mind. You don't think they were already practicing their religious duties on a daily basis? Why would the Roman occupation wait decades to practice their own religious observances while in Palestine?

Josephus never once mentioned the Roman Army as the AoD. In fact that point was already brought up when Pilate became governor. The ensigns were an offense to the Jews. Pilate removed them, and not once did Josephus state that was the AoD as in Daniel. Josephus also wrote a commentary on the OT, as a Jewish historian. He was fully aware of what was prophesied.

And most assuredly Josephus would have sung the tune of AoD, if Titus had been given the chance to do exactly as Antiochus Epiphanes had done. That was the stated intention of Titus. He was going to set up an AoD in the Temple. And Josephus would have told us all about it, and it would not have been the Roman armies, but what Titus himself would have done, given the chance.

Titus expressly forbade the Romans to allow any harm to the Temple. If a Roman had set fire, it would have meant dire consequences for that person. If a Jew set fire it would have and did prevent an AoD to be set up. That the Temple did burn and was destroyed actually meant no AoD had, nor could happen after that point.

There was never an AoD in the first century, and won't happen in the future unless there is a Temple. And a nuke cannot fit the bill, as that would also destroy any Temple removing an AoD chance as well.


Besides, the only Temple that an AoD can happen in, can only happen after the Second Coming, and Jesus sets up His own throne in that Temple. No human is going to be able to build for Jesus what Jesus is going to personally use for the next thousand years. Anything a human built would also be destroyed at the Second Coming, and would not be around when the actual AoD is set up.

The Temple of King Jesus is the only Temple a future AoD can stand in.

I am not one to say there could have been an alternate ending in 70AD than what actually happened. Had Titus placed an AoD in the Temple, then people should have fled the area. Had Titus not destroyed every other walled city in Palestine, and routed out all the rebels instead of allowing millions of Jews from all over the empire to come at the Passover and then hold them all inside as hostages to starve the rebels to death, things would have been a lot different. Even those inside Jerusalem killed each other and destroyed any means of withstanding the Romans. The Jews brought their own destruction down upon their heads. The Jews coming to the Passover in 30AD, who were turned against Jesus sent their own children and grandchildren back in 70AD to be slaughtered in Jerusalem as vengeance for the sins of the fathers.

"Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

That was their promise when Jesus stood condemned before Pilate. That was fulfilled in 70AD. The Olivet Discourse would have to wait for a different time and place other than the first century to be fulfilled.

 

[Apple Sky]

Yet the Temple was descrated and destroyed.

Yes we know this, this doesn't mean that John's Revelation won't happen in the future & the return of Jesus.

 

[David Lamb]

The commentaries you are reading came from other commentaries.


No one writing a commentary today saw the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel ,set up in Jerusalem in 164 BC.

Not even Josephus was there to witness the event which he commented on.He himself was taught by Pharisees whom Jesus called blind guides.

First, I haven't even told you which commentaries I was referring to, so you can't say that the commentaries I'm reading come from other commentaries.

Second, what you say in this post still does not give any indication whatsoever about it being US armed forces who cause the abomination.

 

[tailgator]

So the actual prophecy was a bomb detonated as the type and foreshadow of your AoD, a nuke?

Did Antiochus Epiphanes set off some Chinese fireworks, thus setting the scene for a future AoD?

Did Jesus' audience understand the AoD in Daniel, and would they recognize it if they saw it?

As far as I can tell nothing in Daniel 8 resembles a bomb.

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )"

Notice in parenthesis Matthew was letting the reader see that those who heard Jesus knew exactly what Jesus was talking about because there was a yearly observance of the historical effect this AoD had on Israel.

Readers in each generation over thousands of years were not supposed to make up some AoD that existed in their time and claim there was no historical account of an actual fulfilled AoD in the past.

The reader is supposed to go outside of Scripture and understand the same history that those in the audience that day would fully understand as their yearly memorial, which, in fact, is still observed to this very day.

This does not have to be Scripture. Not all of fulfilled prophecy was placed into the text of the Bible. Not even 70AD was ever written down as fulfillment of some prophecy, even though it fulfilled Daniel 9:26.

Antiochus Epiphanes does not have to be placed into Scripture as proof parts of Daniel were fulfilled.

Some cannot even fathom that Daniel gave us five kingdoms in Daniel 2 and the 5th would be centuries after the completion of the NT Canon, never making it into Scripture. The Second Coming did not make it into the Bible as fulfilled, because it has not been. But to say that Antiochus Epiphanes did not fulfill Daniel 8 is being disingenuous.

Neither does what an historian did write, even if not Canon, would make Jesus a liar, nor what Jesus said untrue. No one today will know what the AoD actually is because no one today seems to understand the Bible when it comes to prophecy, have come up with their own private interpretation, or deny such an event will even happen. Jesus was preparing those that day, even if it never happened in their lifetime.

Even John in Revelation never put this event into the same perspective as Jesus did on the mount of Olives. John never even hinted at this AoD as ever happening. Where would you, in your atomic host, even place this AoD in the book of Revelation?

Obviously wherever you do, it will not fit the wording, nor even the implication of John's own chosen symbolic words. And there is no fleeing ever mentioned other than at the time Jesus was born.

The way Jesus worded it was that each individual would need to take it upon themselves to flee, without any outside admonition, nor corporate help via many individuals.

I would say, that when the time comes, those who need to flee will have never even heard nor considered the words of Jesus in that verse. They would only know that information if the 144k themselves had read those words within hearing of all effected who would be in the area when the time did come. Many deny Jesus is even on the earth at the time. Jesus has His work cut out, getting rid of all human theology, just to get to the point for a refresher course on what He did say the first time around.

Most posters here think this event will happen while we are in this era of instant and almost world wide communication. I don't see that being the case. I see it being even more difficult than life under first century Rome, because there will be nothing established unless Satan pulls of one huge miracle, that has never before been experienced; in a time of trouble never ever experienced by humanity, not even at the Flood, which was rather merciful and swift.

For the earth to be baptized in fire and yet humans still alive in the billions will be quite an historical feat just in itself. This sudden and swift destruction where every one is dead in 24 hours, just don't match up to the book of Revelation.

I never said antiochus is the antichrist that persecutes the christians in Israel at the time of the end.

I never said antiochus was anything in scripture.
Jason of Cyrene taught that and it has been taught for thousands of years since.

 

[tailgator]

First, I haven't even told you which commentaries I was referring to, so you can't say that the commentaries I'm reading come from other commentaries.

Second, what you say in this post still does not give any indication whatsoever about it being US armed forces who cause the abomination.

Yes you did.
You said antiochus ,and that is all you needed to say so that I would know what commentary you were speaking of.
I know where that doctrine came from to begin with.Whos commentary from the start.


As for who sets up the abomination of desolation,you have the whole chapter to study.Insted of trying to understand the chapter,you are spending your time arguing with me about other people's interpretations of the chapter.


If you have received the holy Ghost,you don't need to be taught by anyone giving their interpretations and commentaries.You only need to study the prophets themselves and rely on the holy Ghost to give you an understanding of what your reading.


1 John 2;27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

 

[tailgator]

So the actual prophecy was a bomb detonated as the type and foreshadow of your AoD, a nuke?

Did Antiochus Epiphanes set off some Chinese fireworks, thus setting the scene for a future AoD?

Did Jesus' audience understand the AoD in Daniel, and would they recognize it if they saw it?

As far as I can tell nothing in Daniel 8 resembles a bomb.

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )"

Notice in parenthesis Matthew was letting the reader see that those who heard Jesus knew exactly what Jesus was talking about because there was a yearly observance of the historical effect this AoD had on Israel.

Readers in each generation over thousands of years were not supposed to make up some AoD that existed in their time and claim there was no historical account of an actual fulfilled AoD in the past.

The reader is supposed to go outside of Scripture and understand the same history that those in the audience that day would fully understand as their yearly memorial, which, in fact, is still observed to this very day.

This does not have to be Scripture. Not all of fulfilled prophecy was placed into the text of the Bible. Not even 70AD was ever written down as fulfillment of some prophecy, even though it fulfilled Daniel 9:26.

Antiochus Epiphanes does not have to be placed into Scripture as proof parts of Daniel were fulfilled.

Some cannot even fathom that Daniel gave us five kingdoms in Daniel 2 and the 5th would be centuries after the completion of the NT Canon, never making it into Scripture. The Second Coming did not make it into the Bible as fulfilled, because it has not been. But to say that Antiochus Epiphanes did not fulfill Daniel 8 is being disingenuous.

Neither does what an historian did write, even if not Canon, would make Jesus a liar, nor what Jesus said untrue. No one today will know what the AoD actually is because no one today seems to understand the Bible when it comes to prophecy, have come up with their own private interpretation, or deny such an event will even happen. Jesus was preparing those that day, even if it never happened in their lifetime.

Even John in Revelation never put this event into the same perspective as Jesus did on the mount of Olives. John never even hinted at this AoD as ever happening. Where would you, in your atomic host, even place this AoD in the book of Revelation?

Obviously wherever you do, it will not fit the wording, nor even the implication of John's own chosen symbolic words. And there is no fleeing ever mentioned other than at the time Jesus was born.

The way Jesus worded it was that each individual would need to take it upon themselves to flee, without any outside admonition, nor corporate help via many individuals.

I would say, that when the time comes, those who need to flee will have never even heard nor considered the words of Jesus in that verse. They would only know that information if the 144k themselves had read those words within hearing of all effected who would be in the area when the time did come. Many deny Jesus is even on the earth at the time. Jesus has His work cut out, getting rid of all human theology, just to get to the point for a refresher course on what He did say the first time around.

Most posters here think this event will happen while we are in this era of instant and almost world wide communication. I don't see that being the case. I see it being even more difficult than life under first century Rome, because there will be nothing established unless Satan pulls of one huge miracle, that has never before been experienced; in a time of trouble never ever experienced by humanity, not even at the Flood, which was rather merciful and swift.

For the earth to be baptized in fire and yet humans still alive in the billions will be quite an historical feat just in itself. This sudden and swift destruction where every one is dead in 24 hours, just don't match up to the book of Revelation.

As you John.
John described the abomination that causes desolation.He saw it in a vision .



Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.




And yes ,it is compatible to what Jesus said about it in the gospel.

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



The fearful sights in the heavens ,the great earthquakes Jesus describes is the nuclear war.Same events John describes in revelation .
And it's not just in revelation 6,revelation 11 also mentions the great earthquake and the cloud that ascends into heaven from Jerusalem.






But of course you believe all these things were fulfilled in 70.ad .You believe the time of the gentiles came to an end in 70 ad.

 

[Timtofly]

I never said antiochus is the antichrist that persecutes the christians in Israel at the time of the end.

I never said antiochus was anything in scripture.
Jason of Cyrene taught that and it has been taught for thousands of years since.

I never posted that either.

 

[Timtofly]

As you John.
John described the abomination that causes desolation.He saw it in a vision .



Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.




And yes ,it is compatible to what Jesus said about it in the gospel.

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



The fearful sights in the heavens ,the great earthquakes Jesus describes is the nuclear war.Same events John describes in revelation .
And it's not just in revelation 6,revelation 11 also mentions the great earthquake and the cloud that ascends into heaven from Jerusalem.






But of course you believe all these things were fulfilled in 70.ad .You believe the time of the gentiles came to an end in 70 ad.

That says nothing about an AoD, but everything about the Second Coming of Jesus to the Mount of Olives.

The baptism of fire is way more impressive than your AoD, and less man made.

The only thing fulfilled in the first century was fleeing from armies in 66AD, and the whole of Palestine was made desolate per this verse: Matthew 27:25

"Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Has Messiah been cut off? Has Jerusalem been rebuilt? Has the church been glorified at the Second Coming?

Those people wanted Jesus to be so dead, it did not matter what the cost was on their children and offspring. Do you think God followed through on their claim, and His plan to also cut Israel off until the Second Coming?

Obviously God can clean up human pollution, but why, when His means are more effective?

Are you in the same crowd that thinks aliens nuked Sodom and Gomorrah?

 

[tailgator]

That says nothing about an AoD, but everything about the Second Coming of Jesus to the Mount of Olives.

The baptism of fire is way more impressive than your AoD, and less man made.

The only thing fulfilled in the first century was fleeing from armies in 66AD, and the whole of Palestine was made desolate per this verse: Matthew 27:25

"Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Has Messiah been cut off? Has Jerusalem been rebuilt? Has the church been glorified at the Second Coming?

Those people wanted Jesus to be so dead, it did not matter what the cost was on their children and offspring. Do you think God followed through on their claim, and His plan to also cut Israel off until the Second Coming?

Obviously God can clean up human pollution, but why, when His means are more effective?

Are you in the same crowd that thinks aliens nuked Sodom and Gomorrah?

The second coming is what the disciples wanted Jesus to tell them about and so he did..Jesus described Jesus second coming including the abomination of desolation that is a sign of his second coming.

Mathew 24:3
As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”




Blessed is he who cometh to the 1335 day.



Daniel 12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes you did.
You said antiochus ,and that is all you needed to say so that I would know what commentary you were speaking of.
I know where that doctrine came from to begin with.Whos commentary from the start.


As for who sets up the abomination of desolation,you have the whole chapter to study.Insted of trying to understand the chapter,you are spending your time arguing with me about other people's interpretations of the chapter.


If you have received the holy Ghost,you don't need to be taught by anyone giving their interpretations and commentaries.You only need to study the prophets themselves and rely on the holy Ghost to give you an understanding of what your reading.


1 John 2;27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

I'm sorry you feel that way but all I have been doing all through our interchange is to try to get an answer to a question I asked you way back, and idea of where you see US armed forces indicated in the bible as being involved in the abomination of desolation. Regarding commentaries, I cannot read the minds even of living people, so I don't know whether John Gill, Jamieson Fausett and Brown, Matthew Poole and the rest were relying on earlier commentaries - you seem to be certain that they were.

 

[tailgator]

I'm sorry you feel that way but all I have been doing all through our interchange is to try to get an answer to a question I asked you way back, and idea of where you see US armed forces indicated in the bible as being involved in the abomination of desolation. Regarding commentaries, I cannot read the minds even of living people, so I don't know whether John Gill, Jamieson Fausett and Brown, Matthew Poole and the rest were relying on earlier commentaries - you seem to be certain that they were.

This is where I see the US armed forces in Daniel 11.

Daniel 11
7 But out of a branch of her roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:

8 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.

9 So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return into his own land.

10 But his sons shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress.

11 And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand.

12 And when he hath taken away the multitude, his heart shall be lifted up; and he shall cast down many ten thousands: but he shall not be strengthened by it.

13 For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches.

14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.

15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.

16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.

17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.

18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.


And here

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

And here


40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.



This last verse is when the abomination of desolation is used.It takes place 1290 days after the daily is abolished.It causes the great tribulation which n Daniel 12:1

Daniel 12:1
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.


This is the same great tribulation that many who's names are written are delivered out of.


Revelation 7
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[Timtofly]

The second coming is what the disciples wanted Jesus to tell them about and so he did..Jesus described Jesus second coming including the abomination of desolation that is a sign of his second coming.

Mathew 24:3
As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

You left out the only sign:

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet."

The only sign of the Second Coming is the Second Coming.

Either one is prepared or one is not. There is nothing else to look for.

 

[tailgator]

You left out the only sign:

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet."

The only sign of the Second Coming is the Second Coming.

Either one is prepared or one is not. There is nothing else to look for.

"And then" after what,?

 

[Timtofly]

"And then" after what,?

After nothing.

"Then I shall post my next post."

That does not mean I have to post after anything.

"I will post my next post after yours."

That is a specific time frame after something else.

That the heavens dissappear and fire consumes the earth will happen so fast and sudden, all one will actually see is Jesus coming.

If you want these to be part of the sign, all you have is:

"the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

But that will be so fast, it will not be an actual sign to get prepared.

Do you not understand the parable of the ten virgins?

What sign was given?

"While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him."

Do you think "midnight" is code for some event?

 

[tailgator]

After nothing.

"Then I shall post my next post."

That does not mean I have to post after anything.

"I will post my next post after yours."

That is a specific time frame after something else.

That the heavens dissappear and fire consumes the earth will happen so fast and sudden, all one will actually see is Jesus coming.

If you want these to be part of the sign, all you have is:

"the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

But that will be so fast, it will not be an actual sign to get prepared.

Do you not understand the parable of the ten virgins?

What sign was given?

"While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him."

Do you think "midnight" is code for some event?

Now according to Jesus ,those great signs and fearful sights in the heavens are caused by nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.



Now what did Jesus say would happen before nation rises against nation and causes the great earthquakes and signs in the heavens in his Olivet discourse?

 

[tailgator]

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.



Here is the great earthquake and fearful sights and great signs from heaven that John saw and recorded.


Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.




Now what did Jesus say would take place before nation rises against nation and the great earthquakes such as in revelation 6:12 and the great fearful signs in the heavens such as revelation 6:13-14 ?

 

[Timtofly]

Now according to Jesus ,those great signs and fearful sights in the heavens are caused by nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom.

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.



Now what did Jesus say would happen before nation rises against nation and causes the great earthquakes and signs in the heavens in his Olivet discourse?

Luke 21 was not given on the Mount of Olives, but while Jesus was still in the Temple.

No, the action in the sky is God at work at the Second Coming.