2025 predictions thread

[Timtofly]

Perhaps you misunderstood the question.
Try again Keras.

What does scripture say causes the great tribulation?
Tribulation ,the likes of which has never been seen since there was a nation ,nor ever shall be?


Is it a man made object or does God make it?

The cause of Great Tribulation is the fact all humanity will be removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Only a small percentage of humanity are willing to crucify the flesh daily. The GT will not be an issue to those who already crucify the flesh daily.

 

[tailgator]

Inventory Line Item:

Description - Abomination
Qty - 1
Unit of Measure - Each
Comments - Specialized weapon protocols required. Causes desolation.


Didn't mean a thing to the people who He was talking to at the time, then , did it? I mean, they saw the temple desecrated (made desolate?), and destroyed, and not one stone left standing in another. They saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies, and those who could fled the city. It's almost as though what our Lord told those folks actually happened!
Nah, He wasn't talking to them at all, was He?

Wow, all those things did happen in the lifetimes of His hearers.
What a coincidence!

Yeah, the Roman legions had nothing to do with it.

Yeah, they certainly were.

No ,Jesus didn't come and raise the dead in 70 AD.


This is the verse about the great tribulation Jesus was quoting when speaking of the abomination that causes desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.The verse Jesus was quoting is actually found in the book of Daniel.


"there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time"

Daniel 12:1-2

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[tailgator]

The cause of Great Tribulation is the fact all humanity will be removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Only a small percentage of humanity are willing to crucify the flesh daily. The GT will not be an issue to those who already crucify the flesh daily.

Your like jipsah.You will say anything without having any knowledge of scripture.

 

[Jipsah]

Your like jipsah.You will say anything without having any knowledge of scripture.

While your lot is required to.ignore history and make up stuff to cover the lack.

New Flash - The temple is gone. Not one stone standing on another. "That doesn't count", right? You have a rubbish doctrine to defend!

That's cool. Ill look forward to your excuses this time next year.

 

[tailgator]

While your lot is required to.ignore history and make up stuff to cover the lack.

New Flash - The temple is gone. Not one stone standing on another. "That doesn't count", right? You have a rubbish doctrine to defend!

That's cool. Ill look forward to your excuses this time next year.

You didn't answer the question.
When are you claiming Jesus came and raised the dead? Have you made in a date you claim the resurrection took place?

If your going to make the claim that Jesus already came and raised the dead,you should at least be able to say what year he came.

 

[David Lamb]

You didn't answer the question.
When are you claiming Jesus came and raised the dead? Have you made in a date you claim the resurrection took place?

If your going to make the claim that Jesus already came and raised the dead,you should at least be able to say what year he came.

But the post didn't even claim that Jesus has already returned and raised the dead. It was about the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70.

Talking about not answering questions, I asked you in Post 28 where in the bible we find that it would be the US armed forces that would place the abomination that causes desolation in Jerusalem. Unless I have been careless and missed your answer (quite possible!), I don't think you have answered that.

 

[RiverJordan]

That kinda fell apart back in 1988, though, didn't it?

I am not sure what you are referring to here. The scriptures did not fall apart back in 1988.

 

[David Lamb]

I am not sure what you are referring to here. The scriptures did not fall apart back in 1988.

I've just looked at the post. He said what he was referring to - something called "Lindseyism". I haven't heard of it, but perhaps something to do with Hal Lindsey, author of apocalyptic books including "The Late Great Planet Earth." The post certainly didn't say that the Scriptures fell apart in 1988!

 

[RiverJordan]

Wow, all those things did happen in the lifetimes of His hearers.
What a coincidence!

No, not all elements of Matthew 24 were fulfilled with the Romans.

In fact if you explore the Olivet Discourse across all three gospels it is cited in there are actually two separate events Jesus speaks to regarding Jerusalem. Observe:

Luke 21

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.
21 Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city;
22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.

23 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people;
24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

25 "There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves,
26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Luke is referring to the Romans who would desolate Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD. Jerusalem is subjected to Gentile rule until the "times of the gentiles is fulfilled." Then the end comes. No abomination is mentioned here, no Great Tribulation, no "one take, one left".

Now compare it to Matthew (and Mark),

Matthew 24

14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.
18 Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak.
19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath.

21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

...

29 "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Here it is referring to the Abomination of Desolation that occurs just before the Great Tribulation. I understand the warnings to flee are quite similar in their wording but they are not the same events.

This is why we have multiple gospels, each provide unique insight into the Words of God that fit together succinctly. Matthew often takes the forefront when discussing end time prophecy because it is the most detailed. But upon closer inspection each gospel provides a piece the others do not.

 

[tailgator]

But the post didn't even claim that Jesus has already returned and raised the dead. It was about the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD70.

Talking about not answering questions, I asked you in Post 28 where in the bible we find that it would be the US armed forces that would place the abomination that causes desolation in Jerusalem. Unless I have been careless and missed your answer (quite possible!), I don't think you have answered that.

You need to learn about what takes place during the great tribulation as spoken by Jesus and Daniel.

If you have not paid attention to the conversation then you would not know.
But if you had paid attention to the conversation and these scriptures I have posted then you would know the resurrection takes place at the time of the great tribulation as Daniel said


As for the United States armed forces.I plainly told you that Daniel 11 should not be ignored and yet you still ignore everything Daniel prophecies in that chapter.

 

[tailgator]

No, not all elements of Matthew 24 were fulfilled with the Romans.

In fact if you explore the Olivet Discourse across all three gospels it is cited in there are actually two separate events Jesus speaks to regarding Jerusalem. Observe:



Luke is referring to the Romans who would desolate Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD. Jerusalem is subjected to Gentile rule until the "times of the gentiles is fulfilled." Then the end comes. No abomination is mentioned here, no Great Tribulation, no "one take, one left".

Now compare it to Matthew (and Mark),



Here it is referring to the Abomination of Desolation that occurs just before the Great Tribulation. I understand the warnings to flee are quite similar in their wording but they are not the same events.

This is why we have multiple gospels, each provide unique insight into the Words of God that fit together succinctly. Matthew often takes the forefront when discussing end time prophecy because it is the most detailed. But upon closer inspection each gospel provides a piece the others do not.

The time of the gentiles has not began yet.It is a time of 42 months and ends with a great earthquake and a cloud departing from Jerusalem.

See revelation 11

 

[RiverJordan]

The time of the gentiles has not began yet.It is a time of 42 months and ends with a great earthquake and a cloud departing from Jerusalem.

See revelation 11

The exile of Israel at the hands of the Romans definitely caused them to "fall by the sword", and "be led captive into all the nations", and "Jerusalem trampled" under gentile dominion for the majority of the last two millennia.

But I agree this Roman exile may have been a foreshadowing of a final desolation caused by the Man of Lawlessness and his destruction of Jerusalem again as indicated in Revelation. Christ's warnings were apt for both occasions.

In either case I believe that the Great Tribulation that begins after the Abomination of Desolation has not yet occurred.

 

[tailgator]

The exile of Israel at the hands of the Romans definitely caused them to "fall by the sword", and "be led captive into all the nations", and "Jerusalem trampled" under gentile dominion for the majority of the last two millennia.

But I agree this Roman exile may have been a foreshadowing of a final desolation caused by the Man of Lawlessness and his destruction of Jerusalem again as indicated in Revelation. Christ's warnings were apt for both occasions.

In either case I believe that the Great Tribulation that begins after the Abomination of Desolation has not yet occurred.

Israel being led away captive
Jerusalem taken
The houses ransacked
The women raped
This is describing Jesus coming just like the Olivet discourse.

Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

[Timtofly]

Your like jipsah.You will say anything without having any knowledge of scripture.

You are like denominationalist, you will accept all forms of human eschatology and call that "knowing Scripture".

 

[tailgator]

You are like denominationalist, you will accept all forms of human eschatology and call that "knowing Scripture".

Which denomination has said what I have?
Name it.

 

[Timtofly]

Which denomination has said what I have?
Name it.

All of them.

All claim the AC appears just prior to the Second Coming, and the Second Coming is a single point of resurrection for all the dead.

 

[tailgator]

All of them.

All claim the AC appears just prior to the Second Coming, and the Second Coming is a single point of resurrection for all the dead.

I've never heard all.of the dead are raised at the same time.I know I've never said it.
Which denomination do you claim says that because I know they all don't.






As for the beast and the false prophet which are cast into the lake of fire at Christs coming.Id say that is true .
Are you saying it's false?

 

[Jipsah]

No, not all elements of Matthew 24 were fulfilled with the Romans.

Thew "abomination of desolation, however, was. Unless you'd like to argue that the Temple still exists undefiled.

In fact if you explore the Olivet Discourse across all three gospels it is cited in there are actually two separate

And?

Here it is referring to the Abomination of Desolation that occurs just before the Great Tribulation.

Doctrinal, based on subjective interpretation of "Abomination of Desolation" means.

I understand the warnings to flee are quite similar in their wording but they are not the same events.

Again, interpreting to fit a priori assumptions. The tail wagging the dog.

 

[Jipsah]

All claim the AC appears just prior to the Second Coming

Citations, please.

 

[Jipsah]

No ,Jesus didn't come and raise the dead in 70 AD.

Yet the Temple was descrated and destroyed. So you have a problem.

This is the verse about the great tribulation Jesus was quoting when speaking of the abomination that causes desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.

Which the Romans kindly provided just prior to razing the Temple to the ground.

But hey, don't let reality intrude on your doctrine.

The verse Jesus was quoting is actually found in the book of Daniel.

Sho is,

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

Nah, no way that can have anything to do with God Himself intervening in human history, allowing Himself to be killed, and rising from the dead. No such thing in your doctrine, nosirree!

Better stick to making End Times predictions, homey. They'll all be wrong, of course, as all such prognostications always are, but no one cares, and your doctrine, whatever it is, will continue to stand unchallenged - because no one will care.