2025 predictions thread

[tailgator]

Thew "abomination of desolation, however, was. Unless you'd like to argue that the Temple still exists undefiled.

And?

Doctrinal, based on subjective interpretation of "Abomination of Desolation" means.

Again, interpreting to fit a priori assumptions. The tail wagging the dog.

No,the abomination that causes desolation was not set up in Jerusalem in 70 AD nor did the great tribulation take place at that time.
Jesus did not come and the resurection did not take place.

None of it took place.

 

[tailgator]

Yet the Temple was descrated and destroyed. So you have a problem.


Which the Romans kindly provided just prior to razing the Temple to the ground.

But hey, don't let reality intrude on your doctrine.

Sho is,

Nah, no way that can have anything to do with God Himself intervening in human history, allowing Himself to be killed, and rising from the dead. No such thing in your doctrine, nosirree!

Better stick to making End Times predictions, homey. They'll all be wrong, of course, as all such prognostications always are, but no one cares, and your doctrine, whatever it is, will continue to stand unchallenged - because no one will care.

You sure think a lot of a stone building.

It's like you think it was the time of the end or something.Like you believe all that is written was fulfilled in 70 ad.

Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.


You think the wrath of God came in 70 ad.
Wait till after everyone in Israel has the mark of the beast and has killed all the christians there. Then you might see some wrath.

 

[Timtofly]

I've never heard all.of the dead are raised at the same time.I know I've never said it.
Which denomination do you claim says that because I know they all don't.






As for the beast and the false prophet which are cast into the lake of fire at Christs coming.Id say that is true .
Are you saying it's false?

You are the one using Daniel 11 and 12 as a timeline of events.

Most of eschatology is based on the same timeline you are using.

 

[tailgator]

You are the one using Daniel 11 and 12 as a timeline of events.

Most of eschatology is based on the same timeline you are using.

I use Daniel revelation and the Olivet discourse as all of them are based on the same time frame.
In fact the man of sin in Daniel 11 is the one to give the beast the second beast in revelation 13.

It's the same 42 month (A time,times and a half)time period in which the saints are persecuted.

 

[Aaron112]

If you have a prediction ,post away.

The world is going to end

before,

during,

or after 2025.

(for billions of people, their lives will end before, during , and after 2025)

 

[Jipsah]

You sure think a lot of a stone building.

I primarily think it isn't there.

It's like you think it was the time of the end or something.Like you believe all that is written was fulfilled in 70 ad.

Never said that, did I? But we sure as shootin' know the Temple was desecrated and made desolate by the Romans, don't we? Our Lord told His followers it was gonna happen, and it did. If your doctrine can't admit that, then your doctrine is rubbish.

Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Nah, the sack of Jerusalem wouldn't have presented any problems like that for anyone, right? Then again, you may never have heard of it...

You think the wrath of God came in 70 ad.

Which wrath of God?

Wait till after everyone in Israel has the mark of the beast and has killed all the christians there. Then you might see some wrath.

Still don't know who the Beast was, or what the Mark was, do you? Nope, not all Christians killed, jusat the ones who refused to sacrifice to the east. Good grief, most of your lot don't know enough history to fill a teaspoon.

 

[Jipsah]

No,the abomination that causes desolation was not set up in Jerusalem in 70 AD nor did the great tribulation take place at that time.

No as far as you know, ahyway.

Jesus did not come and the resurection did not take place.

First true thing you've said.

None of it took place.

If ignorance is bliss... Then again, date setting depends on ignoring the very words of our Lord, doesn't it?

 

[Jipsah]

Which denomination has said what I have?
Name it.

What, the silly predictions for 2025, or the general Lindseyan "End Times" blather? The former, probably none; the latter, most American evangelicals, in one form or another.

 

[tailgator]

No as far as you know, ahyway.

First true thing you've said.

If ignorance is bliss... Then again, date setting depends on ignoring the very words of our Lord, doesn't it?

The only thing the Lord told the apostles is that no one knows the day and hour or his coming.

That's why he gave us all the signs in his Olivet discourse to watch for so we would know when he will come.

The same signs you say were all fulfilled thousands of years ago.I recon you are one of those servants who do not know when his master comes.

You don't know when the master comes ,do you?

 

[tailgator]

I primarily think it isn't there.

Never said that, did I? But we sure as shootin' know the Temple was desecrated and made desolate by the Romans, don't we? Our Lord told His followers it was gonna happen, and it did. If your doctrine can't admit that, then your doctrine is rubbish.

Nah, the sack of Jerusalem wouldn't have presented any problems like that for anyone, right? Then again, you may never have heard of it...

Which wrath of God?

Still don't know who the Beast was, or what the Mark was, do you? Nope, not all Christians killed, jusat the ones who refused to sacrifice to the east. Good grief, most of your lot don't know enough history to fill a teaspoon.

The time of God's wrath is found here.

Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


But you say the time of God's wrath ,and all things have already been fulfilled.


Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.





Are you positive all things have already been fulfilled and God's time of vengeance has already passed?

 

[tailgator]

Sure looks like these 7 verses belong together and not separated by thousands of years.You claim these things were fulfilled thousands of years ago.

Have you been looking up since 70 ad?



Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[RiverJordan]

Thew "abomination of desolation, however, was. Unless you'd like to argue that the Temple still exists undefiled.

I do not believe the temple still exists, its rebuilding is still required and efforts are underway in Israel to try and do so. This same line of reasoning was used in centuries past when scholars tried to argue the words of Christ had already been fulfilled because Israel itself no longer existed.. Yet look today, they do exist now, the prophecies about their return from exile did _come to pass_.

If you believe the events of Olivet Discourse have been fulfilled, do you also believe that the "THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky" also occurred already?

 

[David Lamb]

You need to learn about what takes place during the great tribulation as spoken by Jesus and Daniel.

If you have not paid attention to the conversation then you would not know.
But if you had paid attention to the conversation and these scriptures I have posted then you would know the resurrection takes place at the time of the great tribulation as Daniel said


As for the United States armed forces.I plainly told you that Daniel 11 should not be ignored and yet you still ignore everything Daniel prophecies in that chapter.

But Daniel 11 does not mention the United States, does it? It mentions Persia, Greece, the King of the South, the King of the North, Egypt, Cyprus, Edom, Moab, and Libya. What are you saying that I am ignoring that indicates the United States?

 

[tailgator]

But Daniel 11 does not mention the United States, does it? It mentions Persia, Greece, the King of the South, the King of the North, Egypt, Cyprus, Edom, Moab, and Libya. What are you saying that I am ignoring that indicates the United States?

Daniel 11 is a long list of events concerning the man of sin at the end of the chapter and his predecessors before him.There are at least two wars where his predecessors invade another kingdom before the man of sin even comes to power in Daniel 11;21.
His immediate predecessor was a raiser of taxes.

There are many things to consider which takes place before the man of sin comes to power.





Ive got a question for you.Think about it for a while if you don't know the answer right away.

A tabernacle is a dwelling place.
Whats the modern term for a dwelling place that a king puts in another kingdoms capital city to represent his palace?

Hint
Russia has one in Washington DC.


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[Jipsah]

I do not believe the temple still exists

Well that's a start. Reality ought to be admitted once in awhile, if only for the novelty of it.

, its rebuilding is still required

By your doctrine, anyway. Another reason to consider your doctrine rubbish.

and efforts are underway in Israel to try and do so.

Yeah, the Greens have an effort underway to gain control of the legislative branch of the US gov't, as well. One has about as much probability of succeeding as the other.

This same line of reasoning was used in centuries past when scholars tried to argue the words of Christ had already been fulfilled because Israel itself no longer existed..

How about believing that His words were fulfilled because they were fulfilled, whether your doctrine believes the fulfillments "counted" or not.

Yet look today, they do exist now, the prophecies about their return from exile did _come to pass_.

But you still don't believe in the desecration of the Temple, or the sack of Jerusalem, or the cessation of sacrifice. Everything has to be passed through the filter of your doctrine. But I say a fig for your doctrine.

If you believe the events of Olivet Discourse have been fulfilled

The ones that have been, have been. Those that haven't, haven't. I have no doctrinal tub to beat.

, do you also believe that the "THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky" also occurred already?

Nope. Again, I don't have a wholly made-up doctrine I have to defend at all costs.

 

[Jipsah]

But you say the time of God's wrath ,and all things have already been fulfilled.

Your doctrine, wjhich I value at a straw's worth.

Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Fulfilled. It's part of history, deny it as much as you like.

Are you positive all things have already been fulfilled

I don't play your ridiculous game. What has been fulfilled has been fulfilled, whether your doctrines leads you to believe it "counts" or not.

and God's time of vengeance has already passed?

Which time of God's vengeance?

 

[tailgator]

Your doctrine, wjhich I value at a straw's worth.

Fulfilled. It's part of history, deny it as much as you like.

I don't play your ridiculous game. What has been fulfilled has been fulfilled, whether your doctrines leads you to believe it "counts" or not.

Which time of God's vengeance?

Have you been looking up ,waiting to be redeemed since 70 ad ?

Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



You've just been walking around looking up into the sky for thousands of years thinking your going to be redeemed at any moment.

 

[Jipsah]

Sure looks like these 7 verses belong together

Your doctrine depends on it.

and not separated by thousands of years.

Unless they are.

You claim these things were fulfilled thousands of years ago.

The ones that were, were, deny them all you like. Did sacrifice stop, or didn't it? Oh yeah, it stopped, but that Di't Count, because your doctrine doesn't allow for it.

Have you been looking up since 70 ad?

Have you been offwering sacrifice at the Temple since 70 AD?

Luke 21
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days!

Yep

for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Read about the sack of Jerusalem in an actual history.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Well surely that hasn't happened! Right?

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Yep, that's all in the Bible. Now, if you wanted to be intellectually hnest, you'd try and reconcile what has happened precisely as our Lord told His followers (to whim He was actually speaking, as much as your lot would have liked for Him to have turned toward the camera and addressed us instead), and what hasn't. Just waving your hand and saying, "Oh, none of that counted" may "save" your doctrine, but doesn't leave anything worth saving. I

 

[Jipsah]

The world is going to end

before,

during,

or after 2025.

(for billions of people, their lives will end before, during , and after 2025)

The "after" covers your bets nicely, doesn't it? <Laff>

 

[David Lamb]

Daniel 11 is a long list of events concerning the man of sin at the end of the chapter and his predecessors before him.There are at least two wars where his predecessors invade another kingdom before the man of sin even comes to power in Daniel 11;21.
His immediate predecessor was a raiser of taxes.

There are many things to consider which takes place before the man of sin comes to power.





Ive got a question for you.Think about it for a while if you don't know the answer right away.

A tabernacle is a dwelling place.
Whats the modern term for a dwelling place that a king puts in another kingdoms capital city to represent his palace?

Hint
Russia has one in Washington DC.


_ _ _ _ _ _ _

The fact that foreign embassies exist in America doesn't mean that Daniel 11 is referring to the US. Most countries (not just the US) have foreign embassies. Also, a tabernacle means a temporary dwelling place, a tent. None of the foreign ambassadors here in the UK live in tents. You certainly have not convinced me that Daniel 11 talks about the US.