2 Thessalonians 2:4 Geography Question

[Interplanner]

Paul speaks of someone standing in an actual building in his time. He doesn't speak double or he would have said so.

 

[daq]

The thing that should be the most obvious about Ezekiel's temple is the fact that once it is established and set in place, it will never be destroyed nor could it be because it is not a literal temple.

Once Ezekiel's temple is established, no antichrist will enter it.


Once the temple of Ezekiel is reestablished, water streams up from below the platform of the temple, and this water has a life unto itself, and it is judging, healing, cursing where it wants, because Jesus is that water and it waters the land of Israel, this indicates the role of the Temple as the center of creation{The garden of Eden}.

The course of the water reflects the course of the Gihon spring{The edenic river, Gen 2: 10-13} and emerges east of the city of David where it's water flows south into the pool of Siloam. The water flows into theJordan valley and eventually into the Arabah{the Jordan rift where the Dead sea is located} to transform the waters of the Dead Sea into fresh water that supports fish and fruit trees.

A literal temple couldn't possibly do this, water does not have a life of it's own.




But we should ask ourselves this, '' Is the Dead Sea transformed into fresh water now, and does it support creatures in the sea, and the trees upon it's shores?''


Of course.

The deeper you go into the symbolism the more you will understand the statements and sayings of Yeshua in the Gospel accounts Hanni. For instance the following image file is one of the Foundation Stone which is housed in the Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount. I have penciled in red the outline of what I believe truly appears to be the original remnants of the foundation trench with some of its sockets. Notice that the south wall falls directly over the "eye" which leads down into the natural cavern or cistern below which is now called the "Well of Souls". Notice that this is a CORNER STONE at the south west corner of the Temple where the Holy of Holies would have stood. In fact this Stone includes most of the area which would have contained the Holy of Holies. Notice also that when the shading is right the Stone appears to have the face of a bearded lion or ariy'el. And the symbolism goes on and on with these things being just a few of the more immediately obvious observations. The hole into the "Well of Souls" is probably the original location of the fountain of Giychon Spring, (Gihon "the Upper" or "Elyown" which was diverted). A "fountain" in Hebrew is also the same word for an "eye" in most cases. Notice also that the face of the lion was terribly "disfigured", (Isaiah 52:14) so as to carve out the foundation trench for the walls of the Temple:

Matthew 6:21-23 KJV
21. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
22. The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Matthew 21:42 KJV
42. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

 

[Danoh]

Malachi 3:

1. Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before ME: and the LORD, whom ye seek shall suddenly come TO HIS TEMPLE, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

"...and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And found IN THE TEMPLE... changers of money... And said unto them... make not MY FATHER'S HOUSE an house of merchandise," John 2:13-16.

In that same chapter, Jesus goes on to refer to His body as a TEMPLE as well.

BOTH TEMPLES, OR HOUSES are in view.

Here it is again, this time Jesus, standing there in His Own Body as His TEMPLE, while speaking ONCE MORE of that OTHER TEMPLE - the Father's HOUSE:

"IN my FATHER'S HOUSE ARE MANY mansions: IF IT WERE NOT SO, I WOULD HAVR TOLD YOU. I go to prepare A PLACE for you," John 14:2.

One could go on - so long as an attempt at sorting these things through over forcing our own notions into them.

As for the Thessalonians, Paul meets them in Acts 17, "where was a synagogue of the Jews: And as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ," Acts 17:1-3.

In my understanding, Paul is a Mid-Acts Dispensationalist. He was saved after God TEMPORARILY set Israel aside, per Acts 7:51, in light of Matt. 12:30-32's warning, as further laid out in Romans 9-11.

I imagine he related to these Thessalonians why the balance of Daniel 9 had not happened. For unbelieving Jews to this very day will assert that had Jesus been the Christ, He would have fulfilled those prophecies foretelling His re-establishing "again, the kingdom TO Israel," Acts 1:6, in light of passages like Daniel 2:44's "in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up A KINGDOM, which shall NEVER be destroyed..."

Jesus makes reference to Daniel 9's "abomination of desolation," in connection with His yet future restoration of ISRAEL'S kingdom, as does Paul.

In Acts 15, James asserts their understanding [per their meeting with Paul, Gal. 2] that "AFTER THIS [God's visit among the Gentiles] He "WILL RETURN, and WILL BUILD AGAIN THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID," etc.

Thus, what Paul is referring to in 2 Thess 2, is the TEMPORARY interruption in ISRAEL'S prophesied program that he had related to them in Acts 17, per his Romans Epistle.

He is asserting that they have no business worrying about those events to take place in the Temple at Jerusalem, as they will not be a part of any of that - that is on hold "til the fulness of the Gentiles be come in," Rom. 11:25-29.

This MYSTERY AGE of Grace we are STILL in has continued TO THIS VERY DAY, those saints "fell asleep," and here we are.

This is my reading into of these things in light of Paul's first seven Epistles - Gal., 1, 2 Thess., 1, 2 Cor., and Romans. Which I understand Paul's Acts words through.

So, feel free to shoot the messenger

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Malachi 3:

1. Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before ME: and the LORD, whom ye seek shall suddenly come TO HIS TEMPLE, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

"...and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And found IN THE TEMPLE... changers of money... And said unto them... make not MY FATHER'S HOUSE an house of merchandise," John 2:13-16.

In that same chapter, Jesus goes on to refer to His body as a TEMPLE as well.

BOTH TEMPLES, OR HOUSES are in view.

Here it is again, this time Jesus, standing there in His Own Body as His TEMPLE, while speaking ONCE MORE of that OTHER TEMPLE - the Father's HOUSE:

"IN my FATHER'S HOUSE ARE MANY mansions: IF IT WERE NOT SO, I WOULD HAVR TOLD YOU. I go to prepare A PLACE for you," John 14:2.

One could go on - so long as an attempt at sorting these things through over forcing our own notions into them.

As for the Thessalonians, Paul meets them in Acts 17, "where was a synagogue of the Jews: And as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ," Acts 17:1-3.

In my understanding, Paul is a Mid-Acts Dispensationalist. He was saved after God TEMPORARILY set Israel aside, per Acts 7:51, in light of Matt. 12:30-32's warning, as further laid out in Romans 9-11.

I imagine he related to these Thessalonians why the balance of Daniel 9 had not happened. For unbelieving Jews to this very day will assert that had Jesus been the Christ, He would have fulfilled those prophecies foretelling His re-establishing "again, the kingdom TO Israel," Acts 1:6, in light of passages like Daniel 2:44's "in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up A KINGDOM, which shall NEVER be destroyed..."

Jesus makes reference to Daniel 9's "abomination of desolation," in connection with His yet future restoration of ISRAEL'S kingdom, as does Paul.

In Acts 15, James asserts their understanding [per their meeting with Paul, Gal. 2] that "AFTER THIS [God's visit among the Gentiles] He "WILL RETURN, and WILL BUILD AGAIN THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID," etc.

Thus, what Paul is referring to in 2 Thess 2, is the TEMPORARY interruption in ISRAEL'S prophesied program that he had related to them in Acts 17, per his Romans Epistle.

He is asserting that they have no business worrying about those events to take place in the Temple at Jerusalem, as they will not be a part of any of that - that is on hold "til the fulness of the Gentiles be come in," Rom. 11:25-29.

This MYSTERY AGE of Grace we are STILL in has continued TO THIS VERY DAY, those saints "fell asleep," and here we are.

This is my reading into of these things in light of Paul's first seven Epistles - Gal., 1, 2 Thess., 1, 2 Cor., and Romans. Which I understand Paul's Acts words through.

So, feel free to shoot the messenger

Might shoot the messenger if I could figure out what you point is.

If I was going to reply on some of the things you said, I would talk about Elijah being here now.



I would talk about Jesus and the money changers and exactly WHY the event took place because of the change in Ezekiel's temple.

Ezekiel changed the process whereby people went out and bought sacrifices .

It was no longer the responsibility of the people to go out and buy lambs, but it would now be the prince who would furnish them.


The abomination of desolation was already set up where it remains to this day LITERALLY, but Jesus warning of the abomination being set up, is a warning about the falling away from everything that is called of God or that is worshipped.

The antichrist comes to change the times and seasons of the law, and this has already been done. The antichrist comes to stand against the commandments of God in a great falling away from Torah and the world becomes lawless, and this has already happened.

Jesus refers to his body as a Temple because we are all temples, everyone who has a body, and those mansions that he goes to prepare are also bodies.









But none of this means anything to a person who hasn't a clue about Temple designs, and the comings and goings of that Temple.

It means nothing whatsoever to the person who don't have a clue about the laws.


I am not trying to be offensive or difficult, I am just pointing out the fact that a person who doesn't know the difference in the designs of the temple do not have an opinion.

A person who doesn't know the laws{all the laws} doesn't really have an opinion.

A person who knows nothing of the 7 feast days of Christ and their traditions cannot have an opinion on whether or not Ezekiel's temple is standing today.


As I point out, a person who does not have a real good understanding of every single jot and tittle of every single sacrifice and the traditions of each, HAS NO OPINION whether or not Jesus was actually all the sacrifices or not.


Jesus was in fact ALL the sacrifices, but Christians have no opinion of these things because the majority has rejected these things.




What Christian can actually prove how, where, why, and when Jesus fulfilled all the sacrifices of all the feast days, and all the traditions of those feast days when they can't even name the feast days, much less know it's traditions?


They just blurt it out,'' Jesus was all the sacrifices''' having no proof, having no knowledge of the law and the feasts, having no clue of traditions or the missions of said feast.

They just blurt out things they don't know about.

Not saying that you are doing that, I couldn't really figure out what you were trying to say.

I'm just saying, speaking about Temple design, temple Holy days, Temple laws, and temple traditions is a science, not something that somebody just makes up as they go along.

But most often, that's what we see, people speaking about things they know nothing about.



Ezekiel 42: 21

As regards to the great hall, the great hall had 4 doorposts; and before the shrine was something resembling a wooden alter 3 cubits high and 2 cubits long and having inner corners: and it's length and walls were all of wood.


What is wrong with this picture, what is changed, and why is it changed?


Ezekiel 43 22

22“On the second day you are to offer a male goat without defect for a sin offering, and the altar is to be purified as it was purified with the bull. 23When you have finished purifying it, you are to offer a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without defect


What is wrong with this picture?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

And this.

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:


Is somebody saying that this is in reference to the building of a new temple made of stones and timbers?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

WE could go down to the morgue and do an autopsy on a Christian to see if it's true, and we could begin with the priesthood.


I would take out the 3 sections of Ribs and name all 3 with the names they are given under the 3 sections of Priests.

Then I would name each one of the ribs with each name it was given under the 24 elders.

I would put them in 2 divisions to show the two sons of God and name them also.

I would take the vertebrae and name them, and I would take the four ventricles of the heart and put their appropriate name also.




Temple design is only a shadow of what the true temple would one day be, and that design is human anatomy, and so the entire design follows and exact plan as if a doctor had designed it from human anatomy.

But there are plenty of scriptures in the New testament telling us the fact that we are the Temple.

What difference did it make to us when the temple was destroyed in 70 a.d.?


We went on being a temple that couldn't be destroyed, and how has Jesus ruled over the nations all these years if not from his temple?

 

[Danoh]

Hannibal, you make some good points about Ezekiel and the need to understand that. And no, no offense taken, as I have a "secret" weapon against "offense" even when not intended.

"The mystery of Christ."

So long as He is the issue, no "offense" can touch me as I am not the issue. Just sharing that for other's edification.

At the same time, as I view "All scripture" in light of the Apostle Paul's "the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest... through preaching which is committed to me... for His body's sake," Rom. 16:25; Titus, 1; Col. 1, we will differ on this issue of a Temple and His Body.

Good communicating with you freely on these things.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Hannibal, you make some good points about Ezekiel and the need to understand that. And no, no offense taken, as I have a "secret" weapon against "offense" even when not intended.

"The mystery of Christ."

So long as He is the issue, no "offense" can touch me as I am not the issue. Just sharing that for other's edification.

At the same time, as I view "All scripture" in light of the Apostle Paul's "the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest... through preaching which is committed to me... for His body's sake," Rom. 16:25; Titus, 1; Col. 1, we will differ on this issue of a Temple and His Body.

Good communicating with you freely on these things.

And what is the great mystery?


It is that God would make a new covenant to the house of Judah and to the house of Israel.


God didn't make a new covenant with Jew and gentile, he made a new covenant for Ephraim and Judah, and the two of them will appoint one leader to be over both of them, and the temple that this takes place in is Ezekiel's temple.

That God would raise up the tent of David as it was in the old Days, and what was so special about the tent of David?

It was that David combined them all under one tent, David made Jerusalem his capitol because Jerusalem was in Benjamin, and Benjamin was the center of two kingdoms even before they became two kingdoms.

They were always divided, the son of Joseph and the son of David were divided for good reason.

Joseph and David both have astonishing prophecies of the future, both appear to have prophecies that both would rule, and this was never understood because nobody ever figured that a Messiah would come and be Joseph, and David at the same time, and so you either clung to the promise under Judah, or you clung to the promises under Joseph.

But David united them for the first time, they became one people under his tent, and David had no temple.




But after Jeroboam had called the Torah a strange thing, and after Jeroboam changed the feast days away from God's appointed feast days, God would soon put an end to their kingdom, and if God has put an end to the kingdom of Israel, then how was this new covenant of Judah and Israel to be realized when one of them was not a people any more?


The mystery that Paul teaches is the grafting of Gentiles into Israel via Joseph.


Be it known that Paul was not of Judah, he was an Israelite from the Northern kingdom of Israel in whom God had told Elijah,'' I have 7000 reserved in Israel who do not bow to Baal.''

Those 7000 that Elijah was sent to were Israelites, and Elijah had nothing to do with a mission to Jews, Elijah was sent to Ahab's Kingdom not Judah's kingdom.

And so Paul shows these 7000 reserved from the lost ten tribes saying that 7000 were even there in his life time, and he was one of them, and so were the disciples.


Paul explains this~~~~~~Romans 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved{This is a VERY SPECIFIC PROMISE TO THE LOST TEN TRIBES OF JOSEPH, AND HOW GOD WOULD BRING THEM BACK}.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:




NOT OF THE JEWS ONLY< BUT ALSO OF THE GENTILES AS THE PROMISE WAS GIVEN TO THE CHILDREN OF JOSEPH.


God has done away with the ten tribes of Israel, and he told them, I am not your God, and you will not be my people, I am not your husband and you will not be my wife.

But God never said this to Judah, but he said he would utterly take them away but there were still 7000 reserved in the ten tribes.

Those ten tribes became gentiles before they every left Samaria, they rejected the commandments of God long before Elijah came on the scene.

They married into the gentiles and even the queen of Israel was a gentile.





So God said to them in Hosea,'' YE ARE NOT MY PEOPLE.''



This he said to the people of the land of Joseph and they are now known as the ten lost tribes who had become gentiles.




But Paul shows that to be changed at the coming of Jesus, he lists the promises spoken to the sons of Joseph saying,'' Not my people have become my people.''

And,'' She who had obtained no mercy{Northern Israel} has obtained mercy.





Jesus made no covenant with gentiles, but the great mystery is the fact that Jesus opened up a door for the lost sheep of Northern Israel to come back and be redeemed THROUGH A MARRIAGE OF REDEMPTION, A LAWFUL MARRIAGE.


Those people had become gentiles, and the only way they would now become Israel, is through the promise of Joseph, and a Jew to stand as a husband for a redemptive marriage that would make them one with Israel again.


The great mystery is that when Christ opened that door as a husband redeemer, all gentiles came under that promise made to Joseph's children saying,'' Not my people became my people.''


The great mystery is that Gentiles would become co heirs with Judah as Ephraim and Judah were to become one.

They wouldn't replace Israel, they would be adopted and added to the family.


So John the Baptist had to be sent to the land of Joseph which had been oppressed in later times, but God would choose to love her again and the people who sat in darkness{lost ten tribes} would now see a great light, and they would come to that light through John the Baptist who prepared a way for the return of the lost sheep of Israel.

John stood as the friend of the bridegroom to prepare brides to become one with a Jew, and with Judah.

The mystery of Gentiles becoming coheirs, not through Judah, but through the promises made to the sons of Joseph.

And who were the sons of Joseph?

The suffering Messiah Joseph was rejected by his brother, thrown into a pit wherein was no water, sold into the gentile nations and married a Gentile woman who produced two gentile sons who would be later adopted into Israel.


But what happened when all the brethren of Joseph came up saying,'' We threw you into a pit, we sold you into slavery, we considered that you have been dead all this time, and here you are, will you kill us?''


Joseph turned and said to them,'' Your rejections and what you have done was what you were supposed to do, and because of your rejection, Behold, the Lord has sent me to this place to save the entire world by stocking grainers so that everyone may live. Your rejection has saved everyone, Behold, The whole land of Egypt is before you, choose out the best lands and I will make you prominent men in the kingdom .''

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Hannibal, you make some good points about Ezekiel and the need to understand that. And no, no offense taken, as I have a "secret" weapon against "offense" even when not intended.

"The mystery of Christ."

So long as He is the issue, no "offense" can touch me as I am not the issue. Just sharing that for other's edification.

At the same time, as I view "All scripture" in light of the Apostle Paul's "the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest... through preaching which is committed to me... for His body's sake," Rom. 16:25; Titus, 1; Col. 1, we will differ on this issue of a Temple and His Body.

Good communicating with you freely on these things.

I agree with Paul


You are God's Temple 1Corinthians 3
16Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.…


What else does he say?

19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.


What else does Paul say?

Hebrews 3:6
But Christ is faithful as the Son over God's house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.


Hebrews 10:21
and since we have a great priest over the house of God,

1 Peter 2:5
you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.


1 Peter 4:17
For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."


Ephesian 2;21


Ephesians 2:21
In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.


These scriptures could literally go on all night, I could start explaining what sacrifice means, the sweet odor that rises to God, and what it means for YOU YOURSEL to be that sweet odor, to be that sacrifice, and incense of prayers.



We know longer have a priest who serves in a literal temple, but we have a priest who serves in heavenly places, and we are his house.





Or what should we do?

Should come from the angle of showing and comparing the City in Revelation as the evolved temple of Ezekiel?

Ezekiel's temple is ever expanding and here is a FACT of life.

No Jew on the face of this earth has the blueprints and measurements of Ezekiel's temple because of the fact that it's an expanding temple.


THE FACT THAT NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY KNOWS THE MEASUREMENTS OF EZEKIEL'S TEMPLE.


If anyone claims to have the blueprints, and they claim to know the measurements, bring them to me and I will call them liars.

But nobody is going to make that claim because it is literally impossible for somebody to have those measurements.


If I quote Jesus or Paul, who will believe?

 

[Old Timer]

2 Thess speaks of a literal Temple which the man if sin sits within when he is revealed in that Day..

I don't know if there is anything more pathetic than professing believers claiming that the man of sin sits within the body of Christ.

 

[daq]

2 Thess speaks of a literal Temple which the man if sin sits within when he is revealed in that Day..

I don't know if there is anything more pathetic than professing believers claiming that the man of sin sits within the body of Christ.

Still not willing to answer the OP? What can be more sad than such a one who will turn his face away from God and his holy word so as to continue spreading his own dream fantasies full of unreasonable and unrealistic easy escapism while fanning the flames of his own bonfire? Only a brainwashed blind man would believe that Paul would write any such things to a congregation 900 miles away in the first century and expect others to believe that Paul did not mean what he wrote for them in their time but rather for some future generation now 1900+ years after the fact. Only a blind man, carnal minded and spiritually blinded, would believe that the Thessalonians being some thousand miles away could possibly even had been keeping an eye on the physical temple in Jerusalem even if they had wanted to. It is only in your make believe world of satellites, computers, iphones, and Kotel Wall cams that your phony modern end times scenario is even possible. You have happily deleted every believer who ever came before your time and essentially disqualified them from even being able to participate in your phony "end time" version of the Day of the Lord, (as if any of them would have desired to have anything to do with your Messiah denying heresies anyways). Talk about pathetic and even worse is the prideful and arrogant self centered Amerikana Way to hell you spew. Your judgment means absolutely nothing seeing that you are dead if not already twice dead. Judas was the first son of perdition as spoken by Yeshua, and he was also a disciple of Yeshua, just as you claim to be even while you deny the Testimony of Yeshua every time it has been quoted to you. Your own son of perdition is already come to the birth and now there is no man here that can bind you, O Bar-Timaeus son of Timaeus.

 

[Old Timer]

Still not willing to answer the OP? What can be more sad than such a one who will turn his face away from God and his holy word so as to continue spreading his own dream fantasies full of unreasonable and unrealistic easy escapism while fanning the flames of his own bonfire? Only a brainwashed blind man would believe that Paul would write any such things to a congregation 900 miles away in the first century and expect others to believe that Paul did not mean what he wrote for them in their time but rather for some future generation now 1900+ years after the fact. Only a blind man, carnal minded and spiritually blinded, would believe that the Thessalonians being some thousand miles away could possibly even had been keeping an eye on the physical temple in Jerusalem even if they had wanted to. It is only in your make believe world of satellites, computers, iphones, and Kotel Wall cams that your phony modern end times scenario is even possible. You have happily deleted every believer who ever came before your time and essentially disqualified them from even being able to participate in your phony "end time" version of the Day of the Lord, (as if any of them would have desired to have anything to do with your Messiah denying heresies anyways). Talk about pathetic and even worse is the prideful and arrogant self centered Amerikana Way to hell you spew. Your judgment means absolutely nothing seeing that you are dead if not already twice dead. Judas was the first son of perdition as spoken by Yeshua, and he was also a disciple of Yeshua, just as you claim to be even while you deny the Testimony of Yeshua every time it has been quoted to you. Your own son of perdition is already come to the birth and now there is no man here that can bind you, O Bar-Timaeus son of Timaeus.

Even while you're deceived into believing that the man of sin resides in the body of Christ..

No Satanic Deception there I'm sure..

It's all good, right..,

What's a little sin in Christ?

 

[Old Timer]

Now think for a few seconds... who might want a person to believe that there is sin in Christ?

 

[Old Timer]

Even within His very own body, his bride to be... Whom He purchased with His very own shed blood...

Any idea who might want people to believe that?

 

[JLB777]

We have already discussed that elsewhere in not a few places and not a soul was able to give an answer for the question put forth as well as the other comments in the following thread quoted from yet another thread concerning Zechariah 14 and the "feet" of YHWH standing upon mount Olivet. I will include a small linked portion of the opening comments to the following post so that if any has changed his or her mind the same may go and see where no one of your particular paradigm was willing or capable of answering:



Ezekiel 43:4-7 KJV
4. And the glory of the Lord [YHWH] came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east.
5. So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the Lord [YHWH] filled the house.
6. And I heard him speaking unto me out of the house; and the man stood by me.
7. And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.

If he says that this Ezekiel Temple is the place of the souls of his feet FOREVER then how say you and those of your disposition that this is a temporary one-thousand year physical millennial Temple building made of wood, stone, iron, brass, silver, and gold? In addition we are now almost two thousand years from the Advent of Messiah. This Ezekiel Temple is the Body of Yeshua, and therefore completely supernal, and this is indeed why they did not build it to begin with when they began to build the second Temple even though they already had the writings of Ezekiel, (in fact the Scroll of Ezekiel HaNavi almost did not make it into the "canon" because of what we now consider chapters 40-48 and the "Ezekiel Temple"). Can it be that the Father would bring about such a wonderful thing as the Body of Messiah, which will last for all eternity, and not first tell it to his servants the prophets?

Amos 3:7-8 KJV
7. Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
8. The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord God hath spoken, who can but prophesy?

Hebrews 10:5-7 KJV
5. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared [GSN#2675 katartizo] me:
6. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me), to do thy will, O God.

Original Strong's Ref. #2675
Romanized katartizo
Pronounced kat-ar-tid'-zo
from GSN2596 and a derivative of GSN0739; to complete thoroughly, i.e. repair (literally or figuratively) or adjust:
KJV--fit, frame, mend, (make) perfect(-ly join together), prepare, restore.

John 2:19-21 KJV
19. Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21. But he spake of the temple of his body.

"Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not; but a body-temple hast thou fitted-framed me."

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


Are you trying to teach that the man of sin, the son of perdition will somehow BE REVEALED by sitting as God in the person of Jesus Christ?


I have heard of some far fetched attempts tp obscure the truth of scripture, but yours takes the cake sir!


JLB

 

[JLB777]

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God...8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 1 Thessalonians 2:1-4,8

When Jesus returns to Jerusalem, He will destroy the Lawless one who has come to the physical Temple in Jerusalem to show himself that he is God by working signs and wonders to deceive.


JLB

 

[daq]

Even within His very own body, his bride to be... Whom He purchased with His very own shed blood...

Any idea who might want people to believe that?

And who taught you that you were a woman, O Ephraim?
Once again you deny the Testimony of Yeshua:

Luke 12:35-42 KJV
35. Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
36. And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
41. Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42. And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

Understand, O bride to be? Can you see what that passage states, O backsliding daughter? Unless you repent the only way you will end up spiritually married will be as in the days of Noah which is to is the queen of the south whose name is Sheba having seven heads. Acquit yourself like a man, (1 Corinthians 16:13) for the Master Teacher Yeshua was not ashamed to call the sanctified ones his brethren, (Hebrews 2:11). Or does your twisted theology also allow for you to marry your brother?

Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning, and you yourselves like unto MEN that wait for their Master, when he will RETURN from the wedding!

 

[daq]

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


Are you trying to teach that the man of sin, the son of perdition will somehow BE REVEALED by sitting as God in the person of Jesus Christ?


I have heard of some far fetched attempts tp obscure the truth of scripture, but yours takes the cake sir!


JLB

I understand that you do not understand what has been stated but your misunderstanding of what I have said does not give you the right to make false accusations. What you have just claimed is blasphemous unless you believe your fiend Old Timer is "the person of Christ"?

 

[JLB777]

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God... 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.2 Thessalonians 2:14,8

Jesus Christ will return to earth, specifically to Jerusalem.

When He does, He will destroy the Lawless one who has proclaimed himself as God by going to the Temple and working signs and wonders to those that are still looking for the "Messiah", as they are expecting "their" Messiah to come to the temple.


The Sacrificial Altar Is Being Rebuilt For The Future Temple In Jerusalem

• Written by Admin
• Posted August 2, 2009 at 10:44 pm

On a day when Jews mourn the destruction of the Temple almost 2,000 years ago, the Temple Institute made a giant step towards the rebuilding of the Temple by beginning to rebuild the sacrificial altar. The sacrificial altar is the location in the Temple where the Jews once offered sacrifices to the Lord, but there have been no sacrifices made since 70 A.D. when the Roman army destroyed both Jerusalem and the Temple.

- See more at: The Sacrificial Altar Is Being Rebuilt For The Future Temple In Jerusalem

 

[Interplanner]

The Thess material about so short-dated that some thought it already happened. It has the time stamp of being about some in that temple at that time, and the past tense "the wrath of God has come on Israel." You can't get any shorter than saying "this happened yesterday"!