2 Thessalonians 2:4 Geography Question

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Yet he is to be preached as the ascended Lord now who is entitled to everything on earth. That's why Acts 24:25 was as subversive as it was.

The NT specifically chose vocab that would conflict with Roman state theology, as well as Judaism. It does not recur to the future to resolve things. This never shows up in any of the live, real time exchanges in Acts; obviously I Cor 15 is making a point that the form of the kingdom now is less than will be then. But it is not absent now, and it is to be proclaimed a certain way.

The phrase gospel of the kingdom is not genetive but possessive (these are standard grammatical categories in the lexicons). Meaning the content of the Gospel is not that the kingdom is here, but that the Gospel belongs to and energizes the kingdom. In the same sense, the kingdom is not one where you say 'here it is' or 'there it is' like the temple operations of Judaism, but 'it is at work among you.'

 

[daq]

We will see His kingdom manifest when Jesus returns and all the wicked and lawless are cast into hell, and all rule and authority is put down.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable. 20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:19-24


Once this earth has been cleansed of all wickedness and lawlessness, then the earth will be AS IT IS IN HEAVEN!


JLB

When will you understand that the man is the earth-land-soil? That is, both the 'erets-land, outer bounds, temple-profane-commons, and also the 'adamah-soil of the heart, as taught by the Master-Teacher Yeshua in the Parable of the Sower which was just quoted. You have your own outer-bounds of the flesh commons to rule over, (wherein dwells no good thing, as Paul states in Romans 7:18). Sin lieth at the door, (of your house, O porter of the doors, Mark 13:34) and his desire is unto you, and thou shalt rule over him: the consummation of your first age will come upon you as a snare because you imagine that you will see the signs like the Pharisees, Sadducs, and Scribes with your mind and eyes of the flesh!

 

[daq]

Why do you all focus only on the flesh as if it were of so much more importance? Why do you continue to nourish the old man which is supposed to be a dead man in Messiah? The carcasses of your old man shall be left in the high places of the field because this, yea, the fowls will summer upon him, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon him; for he has cursed his own Father in his lofty and high minded ways, and he has refused to bless his own covenant Mother Zion-Yerushalaim of above. He is pure in his own eyes, and yet unwashed from his filthiness. O how lofty are his eyes! And as if all that were not enough; These six things YHWH hates, yea, even seven are an abomination unto him: a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, an heart devising wicked machinations in the vain imaginations of the chambers of his imagery; feet always running swiftly into mischief, a false witness breathing out lies and sowing discord among brethren. For all these things shall the old man be laid waste in the circle of the plain of the high places of the field: his stink shall come up out of his carcass and the mountains will melted with his blood. For the eye that mocks at his Father, and despises obeying his Mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, (every `orev-raven after his kind and the `orev is the eighth and of the seven) the young eagles shall eat it. For YHWH has said: The carcasses of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth, and none shall fray them away. And again YHWH has said: Even the carcases of men shall fall as dung upon the open field, and as the handful after the harvestman, and none shall gather them. Thus says YHWH: Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches; but let him that glories glory in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am YHWH, who exercises lovingkindness, and judgment, and righteousness in the earth: for in these things I delight, says YHWH. And behold; the Glory of the Elohim of Yisrael came from the way of the east: and his voice was like the sound of many waters: and the earth shined with his Glory, and I fell upon my face. And the Glory of YHWH entered into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. So the Spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the Glory of YHWH filled the house. And I heard him speaking to me out of the house, (and the man whose appearance was of bronze stood by). And he said unto me: Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the sons of Yisrael into Olam, and my holy name, shall the house of Yisrael no more defile, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcasses of their kings in their high places. In their setting of their threshold by my thresholds, and their post by my posts, and the wall between me and them, they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger. Now let them put away their whoredom and the carcasses of their kings far from me; and I will dwell in the midst of them into Olam. Thou, son of man, shew the house to the house of Yisrael that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them. This is the Torah of the house: Upon the top of the mountain the whole limit thereof round about shall be most holy. Behold, this is the Torah of the house! And said YHWH unto Moshe: "Speak unto the sons of Yisrael, that they bring me an offering: of every man that gives it willingly with his heart you shall take my offering. And let them make me a miqdash-sanctuary-chapel that I may dwell among them. According to all that was shown in the holy mount, according to the pattern of the Mishkan-Tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall you make it." And again the Most High says unto Moshe, "Thus thou shalt say unto the sons of Yisrael; You have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. You shall not make with me an elohey of silver, and an elohey of gold thou shalt not make for you: an altar of adamah shalt thou make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy ascending offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee", (Shemot-Exodus 20:22-24) And in the companion passage the Most High says concerning the altar of adamah which is the heart: "O that there were such an heart in them!" (Devarim-Deuteronomy 5:29). And son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Yisrael together are those unto whom the inhabitants of Yerushalaim have said, "Get you far from YHWH, for unto us is this erets-land given in possession." Therefore say, Thus says Adonai YHWH; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the lands, yet will I be unto them as a little miqdash-sanctuary-chapel in the lands where they shall come. Therefore say, Thus says Adonai YHWH, I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the lands where you have been scattered, and I will give you the adamat-soil of Yisrael. And they shall enter therein, and they shall cut off all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from that place. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new Spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh that they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: (for Torah is Spirit) and they shall be my people, and I will be their Elohim. Therefore say unto the house of Yisrael, Thus says Adonai YHWH; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Yisrael, but for the sake of Mine holy name, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whithersoever you went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which you have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am YHWH, says Adonai YHWH, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all erets-lands, and will bring you into your own adamat-soil, (of the heart). Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them!

Now therefore, O you sons of the Most High, bring your offerings unto the Father; every man that gives it willingly with his heart shall his offering be brought. And make yourself a miqdash-sanctuary-chapel; that He may dwell in your midst. According to all that was shown unto Moshe in the holy Mount, according to the shadows and types which are prescribed, and of the Testimony of Yeshua in the holy Mount, and according to the pattern of the Mishkan-Tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, (for they are shadows, types, and signs). Begin with an altar of adamah, which is the altar of the heart in the Parable of the Sower, in the Testimony-Doctrine of Yeshua; and if you will build these things within yourselves, unto the Most High, then they will surely come: the Father and the Son will make their abode with you, for in all the places where the Father records his name he will come unto us, and he will bless us, for the Kingdom of the Father is within you!

 

[Interplanner]

Daq,
it would be interesting to discuss with you. do you have one simple assertion you would like to make? How much time do you think we have to discuss things that we have no idea where they are going?