FredVB
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The design in the beginning, so good that it alone God called very good, was what Jesus referred to when saying, it was not so in the beginning, meaning what was meant for us. How can that be missed, or ignored?
The issues with animal agriculture are serious. Not just with the horrendous treatment of animals, that Proverbs 12:10 says is wickedness, such that we should not want to contribute to with our demand for what comes from those animals in such conditions for what we choose to have. It is just as involved as it would be with an animal we keep ourselves, we still affect the use of the animals.
There is the demand for much more resources. Animals have to fed during all the life they have until being slaughtered, all the feed grown uses much more land, uses much more water, uses much more fuel and other resources, while there is more loss of natural environments for it, and there is a huge rate of extinction of species with that being involved. This is alongside the current depletion of oceans from use of sea life for the demands of food and products from that. And there is huge contribution of methane into the atmosphere from use of farmed land animals and mainly cattle, while this contribution to any of the carbon compounds into the atmosphere must be drastically reduced to avoid worsening conditions from climate differences. And, there is so much waste ruining land, that should have more attention then it does.
And our health does not need animal products. There is the healthy way without animal products that I talk about, and have become experienced with. Vitamin supplements to have along with it, which I hear as an objection, which is so lame, is not an issue. So many people should be getting some supplements for what would be missing in their diet anyway, that not being known means poorer health for any of you not aware of what you should supplement. Whole food from plants without processed stuff is so very healthy, I benefit from this, cancers can be avoided, circulatory issues can be too, and many other problems to health, with this way.
I am not talking about saving all animals from suffering. That is not realistic, other than suffering in this world being from our sins, and we should not go on sinning. Knowing God's will and doing what is according to that is relevant and good to do. Animals used for our demand is something we can stop contributing to, too.
The whole idea that God created sentient beings that can suffer, and they are capable of experiencing joys in life, and bonds with others, for being used in any conditions whatsoever ever and be slaughtered for our use, even while there are health issues to us from much use of those products from them, is really repulsive. If any of you do not see that, I still do and cannot possibly ignore it. I know God is better than that. God is good, God is loving, and God cares. I know God is not limited, and God does not change.
So whatabouts do not matter. If any of this has to be ignored for using some other passages, those must be understood wrongly. That is all there is to it. These things still matter ... a lot.
I yet have meals I really like, a lot more than what I used to like that I thought would be hard to go without, but, they were not. They just have addictive substances that contribute greatly to the thinking that they are too good to go without. But, I was over those easily, within not many days afterward, and I did not and still do not miss any of those things, even very many years later. My meals now are really tasty. That is an important thing with the change.
This is a typical way I have a cooked meal I make. It is whole grain pasta when it is not cut up potato or quinoa, and rarely I have used brown rice, and several cut up vegetables, including leafy green, usually cabbage, and hummus, medium salsa, sometimes guacamole, sometimes a bit of jackfruit or seitan, and with seeds and nuts. I on some occasions add some of the dried seaweed I buy to it. I also use seasonings I like.
All this that I use is whole food that is all from plants. This is tasty and it is very healthy to keep having.
> Evidence-Based Information on Iron Intake from Plant-Based Diets
>
> Official Professional Societies
> • Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: “Appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits …”
> Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets - PubMed
> https://www.andeal.org/files/files/Vegetarian/VegetarianPP_2025.pd
> • British Dietetic Association: same position
> British Dietetic Association confirms vegan diets support healthy living
> . Mechanisms & Harmful Substances
> • Heme iron, particularly from red meat, increases the risk of cardiovascular disease – whereas non-heme iron from plants does not.
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0939475314002889
> • Red meat consumption significantly increases the risk of coronary heart disease.
> The benefits of plant-based nutrition: Treatment and prevention of cardiovascular disease - American College of Lifestyle Medicine
> Clinical Studies & Meta-Analyses: Cardiovascular Health
> • Plant-based diets reduce CVD risk by ~19% and mortality by 16%.
> Frontiers | Plant-based diet and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis
> • Replacing meat with plant-based alternatives lowers LDL cholesterol by up to 12%.
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000291652401428X
> • Meta-analysis (N > 2.2 million): significantly lower risks for type 2 diabetes (RR 0.82), CVD (RR 0.90), cancer (RR 0.88), and all-cause mortality (RR 0.84) with plant-based diets.
> Associations between plant-based dietary patterns and risks of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, and mortality – a systematic review and meta-analysis - Nutrition Journal
> 4. Iron Status & Bioavailability
> • Non-heme iron (found in plants) is absorbed less efficiently, but the body converts Fe³⁺ into Fe²⁺ and regulates absorption according to demand.
> https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.2c01833
> • Despite lower bioavailability, relevant iron deficiency is not more common among vegans compared to meat eaters. Average hemoglobin and ferritin levels are comparable across diets.
> Plant-Based Diet and Risk of Iron-deficiency Anemia. A Review of the Current Evidence and Implications for Preventive Strategies - PMC
> • Vegans have higher non-heme iron intake (22 mg/day vs. 14 mg/day in omnivores), indicating physiological adaptation and efficient regulation.
> Dietary Adaptation of Non‐Heme Iron Absorption in Vegans: A Controlled Trial - PMC
> • Plant-based iron sources (e.g., pumpkin seeds, oats, lentils, chickpeas, tofu, whole grains, nuts, flaxseeds, etc.) provide sufficient iron – especially when combined with vitamin C.
> Gropper, Sareen S., ed. (2018). Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism (Seventh ed.). Boston: Cengage Learning. p. 480. ISBN 978-1-305-62785-7.
>
> A well-planned plant-based diet can fully meet iron requirements while demonstrably reducing the risk of chronic diseases. Official professional societies clearly confirm this.
The issues with animal agriculture are serious. Not just with the horrendous treatment of animals, that Proverbs 12:10 says is wickedness, such that we should not want to contribute to with our demand for what comes from those animals in such conditions for what we choose to have. It is just as involved as it would be with an animal we keep ourselves, we still affect the use of the animals.
There is the demand for much more resources. Animals have to fed during all the life they have until being slaughtered, all the feed grown uses much more land, uses much more water, uses much more fuel and other resources, while there is more loss of natural environments for it, and there is a huge rate of extinction of species with that being involved. This is alongside the current depletion of oceans from use of sea life for the demands of food and products from that. And there is huge contribution of methane into the atmosphere from use of farmed land animals and mainly cattle, while this contribution to any of the carbon compounds into the atmosphere must be drastically reduced to avoid worsening conditions from climate differences. And, there is so much waste ruining land, that should have more attention then it does.
And our health does not need animal products. There is the healthy way without animal products that I talk about, and have become experienced with. Vitamin supplements to have along with it, which I hear as an objection, which is so lame, is not an issue. So many people should be getting some supplements for what would be missing in their diet anyway, that not being known means poorer health for any of you not aware of what you should supplement. Whole food from plants without processed stuff is so very healthy, I benefit from this, cancers can be avoided, circulatory issues can be too, and many other problems to health, with this way.
I am not talking about saving all animals from suffering. That is not realistic, other than suffering in this world being from our sins, and we should not go on sinning. Knowing God's will and doing what is according to that is relevant and good to do. Animals used for our demand is something we can stop contributing to, too.
The whole idea that God created sentient beings that can suffer, and they are capable of experiencing joys in life, and bonds with others, for being used in any conditions whatsoever ever and be slaughtered for our use, even while there are health issues to us from much use of those products from them, is really repulsive. If any of you do not see that, I still do and cannot possibly ignore it. I know God is better than that. God is good, God is loving, and God cares. I know God is not limited, and God does not change.
So whatabouts do not matter. If any of this has to be ignored for using some other passages, those must be understood wrongly. That is all there is to it. These things still matter ... a lot.
I yet have meals I really like, a lot more than what I used to like that I thought would be hard to go without, but, they were not. They just have addictive substances that contribute greatly to the thinking that they are too good to go without. But, I was over those easily, within not many days afterward, and I did not and still do not miss any of those things, even very many years later. My meals now are really tasty. That is an important thing with the change.
This is a typical way I have a cooked meal I make. It is whole grain pasta when it is not cut up potato or quinoa, and rarely I have used brown rice, and several cut up vegetables, including leafy green, usually cabbage, and hummus, medium salsa, sometimes guacamole, sometimes a bit of jackfruit or seitan, and with seeds and nuts. I on some occasions add some of the dried seaweed I buy to it. I also use seasonings I like.
All this that I use is whole food that is all from plants. This is tasty and it is very healthy to keep having.
> Evidence-Based Information on Iron Intake from Plant-Based Diets
>
> Official Professional Societies
> • Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: “Appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits …”
> Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets - PubMed
> https://www.andeal.org/files/files/Vegetarian/VegetarianPP_2025.pd
> • British Dietetic Association: same position
> British Dietetic Association confirms vegan diets support healthy living
> . Mechanisms & Harmful Substances
> • Heme iron, particularly from red meat, increases the risk of cardiovascular disease – whereas non-heme iron from plants does not.
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0939475314002889
> • Red meat consumption significantly increases the risk of coronary heart disease.
> The benefits of plant-based nutrition: Treatment and prevention of cardiovascular disease - American College of Lifestyle Medicine
> Clinical Studies & Meta-Analyses: Cardiovascular Health
> • Plant-based diets reduce CVD risk by ~19% and mortality by 16%.
> Frontiers | Plant-based diet and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis
> • Replacing meat with plant-based alternatives lowers LDL cholesterol by up to 12%.
> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000291652401428X
> • Meta-analysis (N > 2.2 million): significantly lower risks for type 2 diabetes (RR 0.82), CVD (RR 0.90), cancer (RR 0.88), and all-cause mortality (RR 0.84) with plant-based diets.
> Associations between plant-based dietary patterns and risks of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancer, and mortality – a systematic review and meta-analysis - Nutrition Journal
> 4. Iron Status & Bioavailability
> • Non-heme iron (found in plants) is absorbed less efficiently, but the body converts Fe³⁺ into Fe²⁺ and regulates absorption according to demand.
> https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.2c01833
> • Despite lower bioavailability, relevant iron deficiency is not more common among vegans compared to meat eaters. Average hemoglobin and ferritin levels are comparable across diets.
> Plant-Based Diet and Risk of Iron-deficiency Anemia. A Review of the Current Evidence and Implications for Preventive Strategies - PMC
> • Vegans have higher non-heme iron intake (22 mg/day vs. 14 mg/day in omnivores), indicating physiological adaptation and efficient regulation.
> Dietary Adaptation of Non‐Heme Iron Absorption in Vegans: A Controlled Trial - PMC
> • Plant-based iron sources (e.g., pumpkin seeds, oats, lentils, chickpeas, tofu, whole grains, nuts, flaxseeds, etc.) provide sufficient iron – especially when combined with vitamin C.
> Gropper, Sareen S., ed. (2018). Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism (Seventh ed.). Boston: Cengage Learning. p. 480. ISBN 978-1-305-62785-7.
>
> A well-planned plant-based diet can fully meet iron requirements while demonstrably reducing the risk of chronic diseases. Official professional societies clearly confirm this.
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