It is permissive for Christians to eat meat today

tall73 · Saturday at 9:09 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
By considering the fact that the Bible calls veganism the doctrine of demons (literally) I'm pretty sure that we can eat meat today.

The term there, βρωματων, can have reference to foods in general, not only meat. Without more context it is tough to know what is indicated, though there are various theories.

tall73 · Saturday at 9:24 PM

FredVB said:
You say Jesus gives endorsement which I see is not said.

Of course it is, and has been posted again and again:

Luk 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

And He gave meat to thousands, which He would certainly not do if He thought it was a problem.

And we have the Scriptures showing He ate meat, and cooked it for His disciples, and speaking of the fattened calf positively.

FredVB said:
Everything God made was very good, as God said, and never said again of anything.

Yes, everything was good. That was not in dispute. But God also said a fish or egg is a good gift for a father to give a child.

So apparently they are not only good, but good for eating, as God said so.

FredVB said:
You say right here what I was going to pin on you "God did change."

Of course, I did not say that.

What I said was:

tall73 said:
God not changing doesn't mean you understood what was indicated. Everything God made was good.

God later eating meat and giving it to people, and saying a fish is a good gift, and instituting the sacrificial system either means that God did change, or you took a lesson from something that wasn't there.

You took a lesson from something that wasn't there.

tall73 said:
I am going with Scripture. Jesus did eat meat. He also gave meat to eat for others, He also said a fish is a good gift.

And you haven't refuted any of the Scripture evidence, or addressed the early church evidence.

Still stands.

tall73 · Saturday at 9:48 PM

FredVB said:
I know this way to be healthiest, your testimony is that of exvegans, which I give no credibility,

You don't even give credibility to the various scriptures cited. Not believing me is a small matter compared to that.

FredVB said:
there is animal abuse, there are the issues in the world and use of a lot more land, water and resources, while environments are being diminished and many species go extinct, and climate is changing. Your position then is that none of it matters, you have the endorsement.

Already addressed earlier. But, you just repeated the same talking points.

Your choice.

But there is not much point in continuing, if:

You won't accept numerous Scripture passages
You won't address specific evidence from the early church fathers showing the readings with fish are very early
You won't explain why the NT manuscripts are all the opposite of the readings you put forward

prodromos · Saturday at 11:19 PM

This thread is reminiscent of those arguing for a flat earth. It doesn't matter what argument you put forward or what evidence, their mind is made up already and they won't accept any evidence to the contrary.

BibleBeliever1611 · 2025-08-10T08:41:36-0500

tall73 said:
The term there, βρωματων, can have reference to foods in general, not only meat. Without more context it is tough to know what is indicated, though there are various theories.

If you read the verse, it says that people are going to start abstaining from certain foods. What types of food do people commonly abstain from today? The answer to this question is how we know what it's referring to.

Veganism is demonic and that's clear in scripture.

1 Timothy 4:
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

tall73 · 2025-08-10T11:47:48-0500

BibleBeliever1611 said:
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats

Since there are two elements listed, and the term for food is more broad than just meat, my point is that it is not the most straight-forward argument on the subject.

How do you relate forbidding to marry to veganism?

BibleBeliever1611 · 2025-08-10T12:20:13-0500

tall73 said:
Since there are two elements listed, and the term for food is more broad than just meat, my point is that it is not the most straight-forward argument on the subject.

How do you relate forbidding to marry to veganism?

They are related by the fact that they're both doctrines of devils, did you read the passage?

But even if we accepted that it's just talking about food in general, we would still come to the conclusion that the food which the verse is talking about is meat due to the fact that nowadays people are forbidding to eat meat. There's no any other type of food that people want to abstain from, I've never seen anyone wanting to abstain from vegetables. So the verse must be talking about meat specifically.

tall73 · 2025-08-10T14:41:11-0500

BibleBeliever1611 said:
They are related by the fact that they're both doctrines of devils, did you read the passage?

Yes, I did read the passage.

The forbidding of marriage and foods appear as part of a larger list of characteristics describing certain ones who will depart from the faith.

1 Timothy 4:1-6

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. (KJV)

So the Spirit says some shall

Depart from the faith
Giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils
Speaking lies in hypocrisy
Having their conscience seared with a hot iron
Forbidding to marry
Commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving, for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

He appears to be describing a particular group of apostates, with these characteristics.

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