Where does this stuff come from?

stevil · Oct 28, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
I agree...I'm just saying that it doesn't have anything to do with superiority.

It has everything to do with superiority. Calling a race lazy you are putting them down, below other races.

Ana the Ist said:
I don't think it does...I don't think "good dancer= superior race" in most people's minds.

Saying that a particular race is incapable of dancing is putting that race down.
Superiority doesn't mean superior in every aspect.

Ana the Ist said:
You see the point though, right? The racist belief is that black people are better than everyone else (at dealing with pain) and it still can lead to their mistreatment.

No, absolutely wrong. If a person is using to dehumanise a race and to then justify mistreating them brutally by whipping them or such. It's not being used as a complement, it's being used to dehumanise and mistreat. Making these people out to be less than human.

Ana the Ist said:
That's why you should just drop the whole "superiority" aspect of racism.

OK Boss!

Ana the Ist said:
Most of Nazi propaganda against Jews involved their inferiority....but some of it claimed superiority. They believed that Jews were far craftier, more manipulative, and better at deception than other races.

That's not a compliment, its an insult.

Ana the Ist said:
If there was evidence that other races were committing crimes and getting away with them at higher rates....sure.

If people are getting away with it, then how do you have evidence?
I'm pretty sure there are stats to backup that blacks get higher sentences for similar crimes, that blacks are found more often to be guilty. But I'm not going to rush around finding links to support this. This isn't the point of this discussion.

Ana the Ist · Oct 28, 2020

stevil said:
It has everything to do with superiority. Calling a race lazy you are putting them down, below other races.

Ok...

Saying that a particular race is incapable of dancing is putting that race down.
Superiority doesn't mean superior in every aspect.

Ok...then let's go back to the person calling the police on a black person because they assume they're a criminal....and they wouldn't assume a white person is a criminal in the same situation.

You said...

The person calling the police might not hate blacks and might not think whites are superior to blacks.

If assuming that someone is a bad dancer because they're white is an example of racism....

How is in not racism when you assume they're a criminal because they're black?

stevil · Oct 28, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
If assuming that someone is a bad dancer because they're white is an example of racism....

How is in not racism when you assume they're a criminal because they're black?

perhaps they were scared. Scared of the unknown. They incorrectly justified calling the police by thinking the person looked out of place in their neighborhood and hence suspicious.

It is systemic racism at work.

The incident where you had a man and his wife come out the front of their mansion brandishing a pistol and ar-15 and going on foxnews to be glorified. That was blatant racism.

Ana the Ist · Oct 28, 2020

stevil said:
perhaps they were scared. Scared of the unknown. They incorrectly justified calling the police by thinking the person looked out of place in their neighborhood and hence suspicious.

This just looks like you making excuses for the racist person. Maybe they were scared...maybe they were ignorant...maybe they were hateful. I don't see why it matters more than the assumption they're putting onto a black person.

It is systemic racism at work.

That's still just individual racism....there's no system involved.

But let's pretend for a moment that this is systemic racism....what are white people supposed to do about it? I don't know anyone like this....and I don't know anyone who does. Furthermore, there's nothing I can really do to stop the person from calling the police.

It's entirely on the shoulders of the racist person to change their behavior. White people in general have nothing to do with it.

Trogdor the Burninator · Oct 28, 2020

renniks said:
You can breathe right through cotton. Try it when you can see your breath...um yeah, that's gonna stop a virus.

"It's Airborne!"

LostMarbels said:
This is not airborne. Just perform correct hygiene practices and social distancing and you will be fine.

"It's not Airborne!"

I think the anti-mask side might need to get their story straight.

OddityCrisis · Oct 28, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
I had an awkward talk with my father earlier. I rarely talk to him, between COVID-19 and also the fact politically we are like oil and water, and he's been blathering on more and more about politics lately, instead of more pleasant subjects.

But tonight he called and suggested I need to go out and update my passport because my old one was out of date (I have 4 years to renew it, though... so I'm baffled why it has to be done now, even though both me and my S.O. consider ourselves at higher risk from COVID). And then he started talking about how "You know, masks have been giving people strep infections and they really don't work... blah blah blah". And I just sort of rolled my eyes and wasn't willing to argue with him. But it's awkward because I don't want to have to confront my own dad and argue with him, but he's flat out wrong.

Just who is dealing in this kind of crazy disinformation? Where does it come from? Is there something in the drinking water that suddenly makes people gullible fools (if so, I'm glad mine is filtered)? Every time I talk to him, it's some new crazy thing he says. And it's getting old real fast- I'm just not one to want to argue with my own father, and my mother believes this stuff, too.

Perhaps your dad has heard of some of these:

5 NIH studies from 2004-2020 all finding verifiable health effects from wearing a face mask, including scientifically verified reduction is blood oxygen level:

[Effect of a surgical mask on six minute walking distance] - PubMed

"Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil's sword?" - A physiological hypothesis - PubMed

The physiological impact of wearing an N95 mask during hemodialysis as a precaution against SARS in patients with end-stage renal disease - PubMed

Respiratory consequences of N95-type Mask usage in pregnant healthcare workers-a controlled clinical study - PubMed

Contamination by respiratory viruses on outer surface of medical masks used by hospital healthcare workers - PubMed

Cloth Mask Study

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

Other Mask Studies:

https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1…

https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2…

https://nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372…

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214…

https://cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567…

https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/…

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/

https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-13-06-oa-0201.pdf…

https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/…

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747…

https://jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en…

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736…

https://journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf…

https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

https://cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data…

https://nap.edu/catalog/25776/rapid-expert-consultation-on-the-effectiveness-of-fabric-masks-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-8-2020…

https://nap.edu/read/25776/chapter/1#6…

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article…

https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744…

https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6599448/…

https://acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342

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stevil · Oct 29, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
But let's pretend for a moment that this is systemic racism....what are white people supposed to do about it? I don't know anyone like this....and I don't know anyone who does. Furthermore, there's nothing I can really do to stop the person from calling the police.

It's entirely on the shoulders of the racist person to change their behavior. White people in general have nothing to do with it.

OK, finally the conversation becomes productive.

Society is "the system".

"What are white people supposed to do?" - this is the million dollar question.
It's not just white people, but "what is society to do about this problem?" - including white people.

My view might be different to others. I can only speak from my own POV.
1. Recognise that it is a problem
2. Recognise that it is everyone's problem
3. Recognise that there are things you can do about it
4. Think about what it is that YOU can realistically do about it.
5. Take action and DO something about it.

I would say to support the concept of "black lives matter" OF course the lives of black people matter. Don't worry about trying to say "yeah but all lives matter" of course all lives matter, but black lives matter also, and the current plight is that police are killing unarmed black people, blacks are being locked up disproportionately, and blacks are finding it difficult to get the top jobs. Blacks have undeniably been mistreated to unimaginable degrees in USA's history, and it has been very difficult for them to get on the success and wealth path. They have been and are disadvantaged.

This isn't just a black problem and can't be solved just within the black community. Everyone needs to get on board.

OddityCrisis · Oct 29, 2020

stevil said:
OK, finally the conversation becomes productive.

Society is "the system".

"What are white people supposed to do?" - this is the million dollar question.
It's not just white people, but "what is society to do about this problem?" - including white people.

My view might be different to others. I can only speak from my own POV.
1. Recognise that it is a problem
2. Recognise that it is everyone's problem
3. Recognise that there are things you can do about it
4. Think about what it is that YOU can realistically do about it.
5. Take action and DO something about it.

I would say to support the concept of "black lives matter" OF course the lives of black people matter. Don't worry about trying to say "yeah but all lives matter" of course all lives matter, but black lives matter also, and the current plight is that police are killing unarmed black people, blacks are being locked up disproportionately, and blacks are finding it difficult to get the top jobs. Blacks have undeniably been mistreated to unimaginable degrees in USA's history, and it has been very difficult for them to get on the success and wealth path. They have been and are disadvantaged.

This isn't just a black problem and can't be solved just within the black community. Everyone needs to get on board.

No.

What you have there is a religion. And I'll have no part of it.

I'm not racist, and I don't acknowledge any supposed authority of anyone who says otherwise.

The problems BLM claims to want to address can only be addressed with addressing the disproportionate black crime rate.

But BLM the organization is an Islamo-Marxist, red / green alliance meant to foster crippling internal racial strife.

stevil · Oct 29, 2020

OddityCrisis said:
But BLM the organization is an Islamo-Marxist, red / green alliance meant to foster crippling internal racial strife.

I wasn't suggesting or promoting to join the BLM organisation, I was talking about the BLM concept.

OddityCrisis · Oct 29, 2020

Ok, black lives matter. Now, get the perpetrators of black on black violence on board and you'll actually save a massive amount of black males from the Reaper, meaning less overall violent crime, meaning less aggressive policing and less need for policing overall.

But BLM.Inc only care about black deaths that can be politicized. And seperating the general concept from the organization proper seems to too great an ask from too many people.

Not you. But general experience from prior discussions.

OddityCrisis · Oct 29, 2020

stevil said:
The incident where you had a man and his wife come out the front of their mansion brandishing a pistol and ar-15 and going on foxnews to be glorified. That was blatant racism.

No, that was blatant self defense.

stevil · Oct 29, 2020

OddityCrisis said:
No, that was blatant self defense.

Not at all. The people weren't attacked at all, not even threatened.
If they thought they were danger then they wouldn't have walked out the front door and into the open space. Certainly if the guy was worried about his wife (as he said he was) he wouldn't have had her come out to meet the "scary" black people either.

If they were truly worried about their lives, they would have stayed inside and possibly pointed a gun out the window, while exposing as little of thereselves as possible.

But they obviously weren't scared. They knew the group of people didn't have guns or knives. They were posing and displaying their racism for all to see in all its ugly glory.

OddityCrisis · Oct 29, 2020

stevil said:
Not at all. The people weren't attacked at all, not even threatened.
If they thought they were danger then they wouldn't have walked out the front door and into the open space. Certainly if the guy was worried about his wife (as he said he was) he wouldn't have had her come out to meet the "scary" black people either.

If they were truly worried about their lives, they would have stayed inside and possibly pointed a gun out the window, while exposing as little of thereselves as possible.

But they obviously weren't scared. They knew the group of people didn't have guns or knives. They were posing and displaying their racism for all to see in all its ugly glory.

A mob trespassed onto their property. They have the right to brandish their weapons on their own property if they justly feel threatened.

They certainly didn't handle it perfectly, but they definitely didn't commit a crime.

Paulos23 · Oct 29, 2020

OddityCrisis said:
A mob trespassed onto their property. They have the right to brandish their weapons on their own property if they justly feel threatened.

They certainly didn't handle it perfectly, but they definitely didn't commit a crime.

Their property was the central divider in the middle of the road that those homeowners were trying to claim. Those protesters were not on their lawn, they were literally in the middle of the road!

renniks · Oct 29, 2020

stevil said:
Not at all. The people weren't attacked at all, not even threatened.
If they thought they were danger then they wouldn't have walked out the front door and into the open space. Certainly if the guy was worried about his wife (as he said he was) he wouldn't have had her come out to meet the "scary" black people either.

If they were truly worried about their lives, they would have stayed inside and possibly pointed a gun out the window, while exposing as little of thereselves as possible.

But they obviously weren't scared. They knew the group of people didn't have guns or knives. They were posing and displaying their racism for all to see in all its ugly glory.

Oh good grief. Such nonsense.
If somebody breaks down your gate and tramps across the yard, and you have to display Force to tell them to get lost, I sure hope they're not a different color than you. Because apparently, that makes it racist.

stevil · Oct 29, 2020

renniks said:
Oh good grief. Such nonsense.
If somebody breaks down your gate and tramps across the yard, and you have to display Force to tell them to get lost, I sure hope they're not a different color than you. Because apparently, that makes it racist.

They didn't break down this person's gate. No gate got broke down, a lock to a gate on a street got cut.

The guy obviously wasn't afraid for his own personal safety. If he was he wouldn't have walked out into the open him and his wife desperately outnumbered compared to the protesters. If the protesters had guns, knives or ill intent, the guy and his wife would have been easily killed with the silly approach of standing out in the open. People don't do that when they are genuinely in danger.

stevil · Oct 29, 2020

OddityCrisis said:
A mob trespassed onto their property. They have the right to brandish their weapons on their own property if they justly feel threatened.

They certainly didn't handle it perfectly, but they definitely didn't commit a crime.

I think USA laws are absurd. But I never accused these people of committing a USA crime. I said they were blatant racists.

EDIT:
Oh, it looks like they did commit a USA crime
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...protesters-charged-with-felony-weapons-count/
The St. Louis couple who emerged from their mansion in a gated community and aimed weapons at protesters marching past them last month were each charged Monday with one felony count of unlawful use of a weapon.

stevil · Oct 29, 2020

stevil said:
They didn't break down this person's gate. No gate got broke down, a lock to a gate on a street got cut.

Actually, it might not even be the case that any lock was cut
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...protesters-charged-with-felony-weapons-count/
But video obtained by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch shows that the gate to Portland Place was open when the protesters arrived.

So, there were some people, walking in a group, down a street.
One of the households of that street rushed out their door brandishing weapons and pointed those at the group as they walked down the street. Pretty clear cut.

Ana the Ist · Oct 29, 2020

stevil said:
OK, finally the conversation becomes productive.

Society is "the system".

So when you say "systemic racism" you mean "all of society is racist"?

"What are white people supposed to do?" - this is the million dollar question.

And you're not going to answer it....despite insisting it's a good question.

It's not just white people, but "what is society to do about this problem?" - including white people.

My view might be different to others. I can only speak from my own POV.
1. Recognise that it is a problem
2. Recognise that it is everyone's problem
3. Recognise that there are things you can do about it
4. Think about what it is that YOU can realistically do about it.
5. Take action and DO something about it.

Notice that no where in there did you actually explain what to do to solve the problem from your example.

I would say to support the concept of "black lives matter" OF course the lives of black people matter.

I've always thought their lives matter....so apparently thinking that doesn't change anything.

Don't worry about trying to say "yeah but all lives matter" of course all lives matter, but black lives matter also, and the current plight is that police are killing unarmed black people, blacks are being locked up disproportionately, and blacks are finding it difficult to get the top jobs.

In all fairness....everyone finds it difficult to get top jobs. That's why they're the top jobs.

Blacks have undeniably been mistreated to unimaginable degrees in USA's history, and it has been very difficult for them to get on the success and wealth path. They have been and are disadvantaged.

This isn't just a black problem and can't be solved just within the black community. Everyone needs to get on board.

Yeah but I didn't do that....I'm not guilty of it. Arguably any black people under 50 aren't victims of this historic treatment either.

What do you think should be done?

renniks · Oct 29, 2020

stevil said:
They didn't break down this person's gate. No gate got broke down, a lock to a gate on a street got cut.

The guy obviously wasn't afraid for his own personal safety. If he was he wouldn't have walked out into the open him and his wife desperately outnumbered compared to the protesters. If the protesters had guns, knives or ill intent, the guy and his wife would have been easily killed with the silly approach of standing out in the open. People don't do that when they are genuinely in danger.

Well I'm so glad you could read their minds. Of course, they should have just let the protesters come in the house and break stuff, including them, as they've done in many other places.
Because being proactive and chasing the thugs away is so wrong.

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