Guess we should follow GOD's LAW on Diet

Dan1988 · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
SO God told Noah clean and unclean animals (he was not under what you imply is the old covenant) implication that the clean and unclean animals existed from creation.

God told Moses to write down the diet laws that he dictated to Moses with regard to clean and unclean animals.

Question why do we not have clean and unclean animals today?
Did God change or is it because of disobedience?

2 John 1:6
And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If there is no unclean animals today the the following verses in the Bible need to be removed

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Before I replied, I scrolled down and read all the responses from others. I found the overwhelming majority disagree with your view, of these OT dietary requirements.

The scriptures provided by other members, makes it plain that most of the OT laws don't apply to us new covenant believers.

Each denomination has has a different interpretation of the scriptures, we can't convince anyone to see the scriptures from our point of view. It comes down to individual preference, everyone takes what they agree with from scripture and discard the rest.

The Bible is written in such a way, that we can make it say anything we want it to. I can't remember who the writer of the verse was "let every man be a liar and let God be true". I believe that verse speaks to all Christians today, since we have around 40,000 denominations all claiming to posses the truth while disagreeing with each other.

DamianWarS · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
please show me where God has undone part of his creation from the scripture.

Also do you have scripture where Peter ate unclean food as describe by the word of the Lord.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The thing with Peter's dream is it does 2 things. 1) calls all animals clean and 2) it exposes that the dietary system was never really about food.

We may argue the dream was not about eating unclean food but we cannot argue that the dietary system as a whole actually has nothing to do with food as God reveals to Peter through this dream.

if in the old covenant there is an imposed law for what may be eaten and what may not be eaten then because of this dream we know that this really is about Jews being set apart not about diet. Food was the platform to carry this meaning, among many other things like mixing grain or thread.

After the dream, we learn that God releases this and everyone may experience the redemption of God on the same level without going through the Jews first. This tells us the meaning of the old law is now complete and is passed on to the new where everything is clean and this is still carried through these symbols, just now there are no restrictions. So you can't have it both ways, if the law was not actually about food then continuing to impose these restrictions not only misses the point but also declares that salvation can only be found through the sacrificial system of the Jews that has been absent for almost 2000 years (so we are all doomed!).

I agree pig may not be the best food (I don't eat it), the same with many other animals, and there may be indeed a reason why they were once called unclean (because they aren't the best thing to eat) but don't abstain because of the law because it has nothing to do with it (and it never really has).

renniks · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
Question why do we not have clean and unclean animals today?
Did God change or is it because of disobedience?

Option #3. God changed his requirements. His nature doesn't change, but what he requires from us can and does change. If not, we would all still be sacrificing animals for our atonement.

Original Happy Camper · Jan 23, 2020

renniks said:
Option #3. God changed his requirements. His nature doesn't change, but what he requires from us can and does change. If not, we would all still be sacrificing animals for our atonement.

Only the death of Jesus Christ Atoned for sin.

Hebrews 10:1-5 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

renniks · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
Only the death of Jesus Christ Atoned for sin.

Hebrews 10:1-5 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

But God required the sacrifices. Now he doesn't.

Brightmoon · Jan 23, 2020

I agree with the fact that Kraft singles aren’t cheese and refuse to eat them but other than that if it’s cleaned, prepared and cooked properly it’s ok. My son said snake tastes like chicken and a former classmate said chocolate covered ants taste like raisins . I haven’t tried either yet but I’m not prejudiced against them. I do avoid chemical foods like Kool Whip

Original Happy Camper · Jan 23, 2020

renniks said:
But God required the sacrifices. Now he doesn't.

You do realize that the sanctuary service all pointed forward to Jesus's crucifixion and his duties as our high priest.

BrotherD · Jan 23, 2020

Greengardener said:
What comes to mind as I read this thread is this, for what it might be worth to the reader:
I've heard the argument often that since Jesus fulfilled the law we don't have to, but I have yet to meet anyone who really believes that if I kill people, commit adultery, bear false witness, or dishonor my parents that I'm still perfectly OK with man or with God without repenting (repenting means turning away from that kind of behavior), and I find that point interesting. I was just reading tonight in James, 1 Peter and 2 Peter, and it seems really obvious to me that if you were only hearing them as the gospel message of Jesus Christ, you would easily see that they point to a Jesus Christ who fulfilled the Law of God and expects us to add all diligence to do likewise - or risk being found to have disregarded this wonderful gift. If God gave His people special laws and said that the nations around them would be impressed with the wisdom shown by living in God's rule and by this they were to be a light to the nations, and since the laws He gave them for diet and cleanliness were really sensible and kept the community much safer from communicable diseases and foodborne illness in addition to being a safer community for families and people loving a free and peaceful life - so if God did this, why would He change His mind and tell us we can just do what we want and the end result would be the same? In my opinion, Jesus didn't die so I can eat pork or oysters. He died so I can live to Him, not having a righteousness of my own but His. Seems to me that righteousness ought to look a lot like His did - and Peter says I'm to arm myself with the same mind as Christ, to walk as He walked. The writers (James, Peter, Paul, etc.) were writing specific letters to specific places or people for specific reasons, and taking one sentence here or there to prove a point might have us proving lies if we aren't careful, so I discourage collecting proof texts as foundation stones. You might find "Judas went and hanged himself" right next to "Go ye and do likewise." You can see where that kind of reconstructions of texts could get a person in trouble, and I suggest that we would do well to consider carefully what we are actually doing. The way I see it, since we have the Scriptures in our language we have become responsible for knowing what it says and not just what ideology someone handed to us. If we are indeed a kingdom of priests to God, we hold onto and hold out for the people who come to us the very words of God. We have the very words of God, the very words of Christ, the very words of the prophets, and the words of the witnesses that saw Jesus' ministry from the very beginning. I encourage anyone to read the books for yourself and see how our modern Christian philosophies are actually unsubstantiated in the actual message of the Bible taken book by book instead of extracting proof texts. On the other hand, reading to find the real message will also easily show that God indeed gave us His commandments to make us wise - for life and for salvation. In no way does keeping His commandment substitute for faith in Christ or the precious blood of Jesus: indeed, it demonstrates faith and appreciation and agrees with what Jesus Himself taught us that He and His Father are One without even a shadow of changing. That's my humble opinion offered in love to the reader, for what it may be worth.

This post is full of wisdom and i couldn't agree more.

martymonster · Jan 23, 2020

Food laws having nothing to do with food. They're spiritual. Imagine that!

renniks · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
You do realize that the sanctuary service all pointed forward to Jesus's crucifixion and his duties as our high priest.

Of course, but you are the one claiming God doesn't change his requirements. The Mosaic law with its dietary restrictions, is no longer needed.

Greengardener · Jan 23, 2020

coffee4u said:
God's law on diet to us is in Acts 10

Since you are an American you might want to be more worried about how you have corn syrup is everything. Extremely bad stuff.

Agreed with this part, my Australian friend. Americans have been so duped on the dietary thing and it's killing us.

Original Happy Camper · Jan 23, 2020

renniks said:
Of course, but you are the one claiming God doesn't change his requirements. The Mosaic law with its dietary restrictions, is no longer needed.

So who gave the "Mosaic Law" to Moses to write down?

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Leviticus 4:1
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 5:14
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:1
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:8
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:19
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:24
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 7:22
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 7:28
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 8:1
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

renniks · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
So who gave the "Mosaic Law" to Moses to write down?

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Leviticus 4:1
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 5:14
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:1
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:8
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:19
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 6:24
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 7:22
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 7:28
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

Leviticus 8:1
And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

The same God who said it's no longer in effect.
"The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. "
Why would you try to keep part of the law? Do you keep all 613 commandments? Do you offer sacrifices? Do you wear your beard according to Levitical law? Do you never mix fabrics?
Why would you keep the dietary restrictions then?

coffee4u · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
Only the death of Jesus Christ Atoned for sin.

Hebrews 10:1-5 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Exactly.
God removed the animal sacrifice because it wasn't needed any more, Jesus was the sacrifice.
Likewise God also has removed from us all the other Old Testament laws, including the ones on food, and all animals are now considered clean.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 23, 2020

NBB said:
I don't know how some people can misinterpret this verse because more crystal clear impossible:
"Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience"

It helps in the search for Truth to find out about Jewish Life, Yahweh's Directions to them, and the Habits and the Instructions and the things they thought about that are 'unknown' to those who think being unclean is somehow okay ....

yeshuaslavejeff · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
"Now, a SARS-like disease is back in China. “Because some of the patients worked at a seafood market where birds, snakes, and organs of rabbits and other game were also reportedly sold,” there is concern that the pathogen comes from animals like SARS reported Bloomberg this month.

And there’s another meat-based disease that could become a pandemic. African swine fever (ASF), caused by the African swine fever virus (ASFV), has killed one-fourth of the world’s pigs, including half of all China’s factory farm pigs. In addition to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, North Korea, and the Philippines, ASF has spread to Europe, dashing EU pig farmers’ hopes of exporting to China and other devastated regions."

How is all this news related to people who have a circumcised heart ? (not made with human hands)

Are they even in the news (they are so few)...... ?

i.e. are those who have a circumcised heart getting sick and dying as often as those who don't ?

Deade · Jan 23, 2020

coffee4u said:
Exactly.
God removed the animal sacrifice because it wasn't needed any more, Jesus was the sacrifice.
Likewise God also has removed from us all the other Old Testament laws, including the ones on food, and all animals are now considered clean.

Where, oh where has common sense gone? Nobody here has asked themselves (except the SDA guy) when God first instituted clean meats and why. It was done at creation and already in place by Noah's day (see Gen. 7:2). Why? Because it is good for our bodies.

Peter's dream was simply about approaching Gentiles, not food. Jesus' speech was about unwashed hands and not unclean meat. Tell me, what did Jesus eat when He walked the earth? I'll just bet it was Kosher. What was sold in the shambles in Judea? Kosher meat. I rest my case.

ViaCrucis · Jan 23, 2020

Original Happy Camper said:
Leviticus 11:7
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

Jesus told Noah
Genesis 7:2
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female

Two Concerning Meat-Related Diseases Booming in China

"Now, a SARS-like disease is back in China. “Because some of the patients worked at a seafood market where birds, snakes, and organs of rabbits and other game were also reportedly sold,” there is concern that the pathogen comes from animals like SARS reported Bloomberg this month.

And there’s another meat-based disease that could become a pandemic. African swine fever (ASF), caused by the African swine fever virus (ASFV), has killed one-fourth of the world’s pigs, including half of all China’s factory farm pigs. In addition to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, North Korea, and the Philippines, ASF has spread to Europe, dashing EU pig farmers’ hopes of exporting to China and other devastated regions."

It seems pretty shameful to take the suffering of people from disease as an opportunity to try and shackle the people of Christ under a yoke they were never called to bear. Keep your theological snake oil to yourself.

-CryptoLutheran

IceJad · Jan 23, 2020

You can't read the bible and cherry pick certain verses to reinforce a point. In this case dietary law. The bible is compiled in a somewhat chronological order to give us a picture how God's plan unfolded over time. And at each point of time there is a specific requirement (law) to be followed.

In the beginning all was good before the fall of man. There was only one law don't go eat from the tree of knowledge. After the fall of man more and more laws God has to lay down to make sure His plan for our salvation can be executed.

With the coming of Jesus some laws are made unnecessary or fulfilled. God is trying to return us to the state we were in the beginning when all was good.

Jesus is more concern about our heart. It is not what goes into us that made us unclean but what comes out from us. The contents of our mind and soul

coffee4u · Jan 23, 2020

Deade said:
Where, oh where has common sense gone? Nobody here has asked themselves (except the SDA guy) when God first instituted clean meats and why. It was done at creation and already in place by Noah's day (see Gen. 7:2). Why? Because it is good for our bodies.

Peter's dream was simply about approaching Gentiles, not food. Jesus' speech was about unwashed hands and not unclean meat. Tell me, what did Jesus eat when He walked the earth? I'll just bet it was Kosher. What was sold in the shambles in Judea? Kosher meat. I rest my case.

God commanded that he Paul, a Jew, eat the non-kosher meat which horrified Paul. At which God said to not call unclean what he had made clean. Yes this was about approaching the Gentiles but it was also about food. If it hadn't been about food God would never have commanded “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.” scripture can be about more than one thing.

Of course it was Kosher, Jesus was Jewish. Jesus followed all the law perfectly.
This is why his parents had him circumcised on the eighth day. It was also part of the law. Which was also done away with.

Galatians 5
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. The law was a yoke of slavery.

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.
3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. Follow one part of the law and you are obligated to follow all of it.

4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Don't try to be justified by the law or feel the need to follow any of it. We are not Jewish.

Guess we should follow GOD's LAW on Diet

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