THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

Pyong Ping · Aug 3, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
... how do we confess our sins?

What is "sin" according to scripture? Be specific.

Pyong Ping · Aug 3, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
...That doesn't square with your doctrinal statement about the universality of seventh day sabbath as a sign of a covenant....

Yes, it does, since, Jesus said:

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Genesis 2:1-3 & Exodus 20:11 KJB, says that God rested the 7th Day, all the way back in Genesis, and that "the seventh day" is "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" [Exodus 20:10 KJB]:

Genesis 2:1 KJB - Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Genesis 2:2 KJB - And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3 KJB - And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So, when God "made" the sabbath, was it "made" for "the man" Adam [and thus all humanity in him]?

I ask, because Jesus said this:

Mark 2:27 KJB - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:27 GNT TR - και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον

Literally, '... the sabbath [of the LORD [JEHOVAH], the 7th day, context] was made/created for the man ...'

The only "the [definite article] man" [Hebrew: 'ha adam'] [singular] that was around when things were "made" [thus at Genesis], is "Adam" [and all humanity in him]. This agrees with Genesis 2:7, which speaks of "the Adam":

Genesis 2:7 KJB - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 HOT - וייצר יהוה אלהים את־האדם עפר מן־האדמה ויפח באפיו נשׁמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפשׁ חיה׃

Genesis 2:7 HOT Translit. - waYiytzer y'hwäh élohiym et-häädäm äfär min-häádämäh waYiPach B'aPäyw nish'mat chaYiym way'hiy häädäm l'nefesh chaYäh

Genesis 2:7 LXX* (so-called) - καὶ ἔπλασεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον χοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς, καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν.

The LORD [JEHOVAH] God [Elohiym] "made" "the seventh day" "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" "for" Adam, "the man", and that God set the example for "the man" the first time by having "rested" in it way back then, and then blessed and hallowed it "for" "the man" - Adam; for God having "made" it "for" "the man" as a holy blessing and delight.

Was the "man" [Adam] for whom the "sabbath" was "made" a physical "Jew"?

Is the word "stranger" [gentile, of another nation than Israel] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the domesticated beasts of service and burden [Ox and Ass], included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the "manservant" and "maidservant" [which could be of any nationality] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

In the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, was it not the LORD God [YHVH, JEHOVAH Elohiym] who "rested" in the beginning of Creation, Genesis 2:1-3, and therefore is His [belonging to] Holy day [the seventh day and no other] in which He rested from creating/speaking, and thus blessed and sanctified the seventh day for the man, Mark 2:27-28?

Notice, Jesus is the second/last Adam, for whom all things were made, including the sabbath:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus is "the man":

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Therefore:

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

and all who are in Him, the True Israel (Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1), for His children (His disciples) obey Him (Hebrews 8:9-13; Isaiah 8:8-20; John 13:33), and walk even as He walked (1 John 2:6; Luke 4:16-19).

Pyong Ping · Aug 3, 2018

Loren T. said:
Sir, you are a fine illustration of where extreme legalism always leads us, to the judgement and condemnation of our brothers and sisters in Christ. You are doing a fine job of showing us why we don't want to go that route.

Oh please, stop justifying your sin, based upon your own wickedness, and refusal to repent of sabbath-breaking. You are murdering your own self, and deceiving your own self.

Obeying God in His commandment (Exodus 20:1-17) is not legalism, it is in verity that other "L" word you bandy about, "love", and only the wicked think it is legalism to obey God from the repentant heart in reponse to His love (John 3:16), because they themselves are illegalists, felons, thugs, robbers (of God's righteousness) pretending to be of the kingdom of God. God's word says they are lawless (anomia).

No wonder Paul wept, and Jesus wept. You are so self-deceived, that you call the keeping the sabbath 'evil' and your sabbath-breaking 'good'. Such a mighty woe is upon you.

Loren T. said:
You don't keep the Sabbath,

You just judged what you do not know.

Loren T. said:
as I have already illustrated.

You illustrated nothing from scripture, and you even said so yourself. You got it from "the jews". Not "the scripture". Hypocrite.

Jesus obeyed all the OT (John 15:10, 8:46), and was in complete harmony with everything therein. There are two kinds of Jews in the follow passages, which one obey the commandments of God, and understood the OT? Tell me, you hypocrite:

Mark 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
Mark 2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
Mark 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
Mark 2:11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
Mark 2:12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.

John 5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
John 5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
John 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
John 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
John 5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
John 5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
John 5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
John 5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
John 5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
John 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Was it "sin" to obey Jesus, and to carry the mat, the bed in both cases? Did Jesus not understand the OT? Was Jesus teaching others to transgress that which was written? Or is it just possible, that the pharisees, who accused, and who did not understand the OT laws, and who broke those laws by their vain traditions were the ones in error?

Even now, your heart is as their heart, and you seek to slay us. It is not manifested outwardly yet, but it will be soon enough. It is foretold, unless you repent. When given the opportunity (and soon), you will. Do you think you can resist prophecy or your own deceptive heart?

Pyong Ping · Aug 3, 2018

W2L said:
No. Its talking about liberty from the law.

No it isn't. Read the text. It is speaking about not being "justified" by any law. Orders of magnitude of difference.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Grace does not free from obedience to God's law. Grace frees one from attempting to "justify" onesself by law-keeping after it was already trasngressed (and the wages for sin is death, it can only be paid by death; doing all the good works on death row, cannot free the prisoner from the sentence of death, even if all the works after the transgression were noble).

It is to be "righteousness" (right-doing) by "faith", in the strength provided at Calvary (Romans 5:6; Revelation 12:10), and by/through the Holy Ghost.

Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

What is "righteousness"?

Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Therefore, keeping the commandments of God, by faith (in Christ, which is "of" Christ) is not seeking to be justified by Law, but justification by Christ:

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Isaiah 45:24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Isaiah 45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Isaiah 50:8 He is near that justifieth me; who will contend with me? let us stand together: who is mine adversary? let him come near to me.

What was Jesus saving us "from"?

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

What does the name Jesus even mean? It is found through all the OT.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Not in themselves, since that is already proven, but in Christ Jesus, by "faith", walking "in the Spirit". Since the Law of God (Exodus 20:1-17) is "spiritual" (Romans 7:14), it can only be kept by/through the Holy Spirit, by "faith".

W2L said:
Notice that it exhorts us not to misuse that liberty?

Those who say that they are in the 'grace' of God and knowingly refuse His commandent, even the holy commandment (Exodus 20:8-11), definitely abuse (and misunderstand) the liberty wherewith they were made free, and spit in the "grace" of Jesus Christ. They as verily slap Christ again, and throw a weight upon Him, and nail Him to the cross. Sin is the trasngression of the law. That doesn't change under "grace".

Loren T. · Aug 3, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
You illustrated nothing from scripture, and you even said so yourself. You got it from "the jews". Not "the scripture". Hypocrite.

14. Exodus 16:29 “Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where they are on the seventh day; no one is to go out.”

Loren T. · Aug 3, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Was it "sin" to obey Jesus, and to carry the mat, the bed in both cases? Did Jesus not understand the OT? Was Jesus teaching others to transgress that which was written? Or is it just possible, that the pharisees, who accused, and who did not understand the OT laws, and who broke those laws by their vain traditions were the ones in error?

Jesus was God and God was doing a new thing. He was changing his law from a set of rules to an attitude of the heart. And he did this by being the fulfillment of everything that the law never could fulfil. It's really not nearly as complicated as you make it Ping Pong.

Eloy Craft · Aug 3, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
w me a single verse in scripture that says that the sabbath of the Lord is "ritual". I'll wait.

Look, it's got the real day and the shadow here.

Exodus 12:16
On the first day you shall hold a solemn assembly, and on the seventh day a solemn assembly; no work shall be done on those days; only what everyone must eat, that alone may be prepared by you.

Pyong Ping said:
Since when is "time" ceremonial?

The word I used is 'timing'. You should be able to understand a pattern of behavior that is repeated for religious reasons is ritual.

Eloy Craft · Aug 3, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Yes, it does, since, Jesus said:

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Genesis 2:1-3 & Exodus 20:11 KJB, says that God rested the 7th Day, all the way back in Genesis, and that "the seventh day" is "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" [Exodus 20:10 KJB]:

Genesis 2:1 KJB - Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Genesis 2:2 KJB - And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3 KJB - And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So, when God "made" the sabbath, was it "made" for "the man" Adam [and thus all humanity in him]?

I ask, because Jesus said this:

Mark 2:27 KJB - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:27 GNT TR - και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον

Literally, '... the sabbath [of the LORD [JEHOVAH], the 7th day, context] was made/created for the man ...'

The only "the [definite article] man" [Hebrew: 'ha adam'] [singular] that was around when things were "made" [thus at Genesis], is "Adam" [and all humanity in him]. This agrees with Genesis 2:7, which speaks of "the Adam":

Genesis 2:7 KJB - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 HOT - וייצר יהוה אלהים את־האדם עפר מן־האדמה ויפח באפיו נשׁמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפשׁ חיה׃

Genesis 2:7 HOT Translit. - waYiytzer y'hwäh élohiym et-häädäm äfär min-häádämäh waYiPach B'aPäyw nish'mat chaYiym way'hiy häädäm l'nefesh chaYäh

Genesis 2:7 LXX* (so-called) - καὶ ἔπλασεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον χοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς, καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν.

The LORD [JEHOVAH] God [Elohiym] "made" "the seventh day" "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" "for" Adam, "the man", and that God set the example for "the man" the first time by having "rested" in it way back then, and then blessed and hallowed it "for" "the man" - Adam; for God having "made" it "for" "the man" as a holy blessing and delight.

Was the "man" [Adam] for whom the "sabbath" was "made" a physical "Jew"?

Is the word "stranger" [gentile, of another nation than Israel] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the domesticated beasts of service and burden [Ox and Ass], included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the "manservant" and "maidservant" [which could be of any nationality] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

In the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, was it not the LORD God [YHVH, JEHOVAH Elohiym] who "rested" in the beginning of Creation, Genesis 2:1-3, and therefore is His [belonging to] Holy day [the seventh day and no other] in which He rested from creating/speaking, and thus blessed and sanctified the seventh day for the man, Mark 2:27-28?

Notice, Jesus is the second/last Adam, for whom all things were made, including the sabbath:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus is "the man":

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Therefore:

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

and all who are in Him, the True Israel (Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1), for His children (His disciples) obey Him (Hebrews 8:9-13; Isaiah 8:8-20; John 13:33), and walk even as He walked (1 John 2:6; Luke 4:16-19).

None of which describes a sign or a covenant made between all humans who have ever lived or will live. It takes two to establish a covenant. Knowledge and will are applied

LoveGodsWord · Aug 3, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
No it isn't. Read the text. It is speaking about not being "justified" by any law. Orders of magnitude of difference.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Grace does not free from obedience to God's law. Grace frees one from attempting to "justify" onesself by law-keeping after it was already trasngressed (and the wages for sin is death, it can only be paid by death; doing all the good works on death row, cannot free the prisoner from the sentence of death, even if all the works after the transgression were noble).

It is to be "righteousness" (right-doing) by "faith", in the strength provided at Calvary (Romans 5:6; Revelation 12:10), and by/through the Holy Ghost.

Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

What is "righteousness"?

Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Therefore, keeping the commandments of God, by faith (in Christ, which is "of" Christ) is not seeking to be justified by Law, but justification by Christ:

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Isaiah 45:24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Isaiah 45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

Isaiah 50:8 He is near that justifieth me; who will contend with me? let us stand together: who is mine adversary? let him come near to me.

What was Jesus saving us "from"?

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

What does the name Jesus even mean? It is found through all the OT.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Not in themselves, since that is already proven, but in Christ Jesus, by "faith", walking "in the Spirit". Since the Law of God (Exodus 20:1-17) is "spiritual" (Romans 7:14), it can only be kept by/through the Holy Spirit, by "faith".

Those who say that they are in the 'grace' of God and knowingly refuse His commandent, even the holy commandment (Exodus 20:8-11), definitely abuse (and misunderstand) the liberty wherewith they were made free, and spit in the "grace" of Jesus Christ. They as verily slap Christ again, and throw a weight upon Him, and nail Him to the cross. Sin is the trasngression of the law. That doesn't change under "grace".

Indeed, not only this but it is written of those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY break God's Commandments when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come to them Crucify Jesus afresh...

HEBREWS 6:4-8
[4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
[7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God:
[8], But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; whose end is to be burned.

links to...

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26],
[26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Not a good place to be.

Thanks for sharing

W2L · Aug 3, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
No it isn't. Read the text. It is speaking about not being "justified" by any law.

Whatever its saying, We disagree on Sabbath. If sabbath was so important i think the apostles would have clearly taught us to observe it, but they dont. Instead we get colossians 2, Romans 14, and Hebrews 4, none of which teach us to observe the seventh day sabbath.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 3, 2018

Loren T. said:
14. Exodus 16:29 “Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where they are on the seventh day; no one is to go out.”

Hi Loren, nice to see you.

This scriture you have quoted above is one I used as an example with some others earlier to you about the preparation day (6th day) of the day BEFORE the Sabbth where all your work is to be completed. The scripture is saying that God's people can collect all they need for two days on the 6th day (for the 6th Day and the Sabbath day) because God's people were not to go out collecting the food (working) on the Sabbath.

The reference here is going out to work (collect more mana on the Sabbath). It does not mean your not to go out of your home for the sake of going out of your home. It is going out of your home with the intention to work on the Sabbath to gather more mana.

The scriptures teach it is ok to go out of your home on the Sabbath as the Sabbath is also called a Holy convocations which means Holy Gathering (Leviticus 23:3)

It was the custom of Jesus and Paul to go to the Synagogue or temple on the Sabbath and also go for a walk or meet outside in nature and be with other people in other places on God's Sabbath...

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SCRIPTURE SUPPORT FOR BEING OUTSIDE OF HOME ON THE SABBATH

LEVITICUS 23:3 [3], Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation [Meaning מקרא; miqrâ';mik-raw' From H7121; something called out, that is, a public meeting (the act, the persons, or the palce); also a rehearsal: - assembly, calling, convocation, reading]; you shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings [ מושׁב משׁב; môshâb môshâb; mo-shawb', mo-shawb'From H3427; a seat ; figuratively a site ; abstractly a session ; by extension an abode (the place or the time); by implication population: - assembly, dwell in, dwelling (-place), wherein (that) dwelt (in), inhabited place, seat, sitting, situation, sojourning]..

It was Jesus custom to go to Church on the Sabbath...

LUKE 4:16 [16], And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

eating food outside...

MATTHEW 12:1-8 [1], At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungered, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

doing good on the Sabbath...

MATTHEW 12:10-12 [10], And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11], And he said to them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? [12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Why it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

going to Church on the Sabbath...

MARK 3:1-4 [1], And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. [2], And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. [3], And he said to the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. [4], And he said to them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

circumcision done on the Sabbath...

JOHN 7:21-23 [21], Jesus answered and said to them, I have done one work, and you all marvel. [22], Moses therefore gave to you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers

and you on the sabbath day circumcise a man. [23], If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are you angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

The Apostles and disciples went to Church on the Sabbath...

ACTS 13:14 [14], But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down

God's WORD is read every Sabbath in the Church...

ACTS 13:27 [27], For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

God's Word is read in the Churches every Sabbath day in every city...

ACTS 15:21 [21], For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Some time in nature on the Sabbath...

ACTS 16:13 [13], And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spoke to the women which resorted thither.

Pauls custom was to go to Church on the Sabbath...

ACTS 17:2 [2], And Paul, as his manner was, went in to them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures

ACTS 18:4 [4], And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

It is ok to go outside on the SABBATH. It is not ok to WORK on the Sabbath.

Hope this is helpful. May God bless you as you seek him through his Word. :wave:

LoveGodsWord · Aug 3, 2018

W2L said:
Whatever its saying, We disagree on Sabbath. If sabbath was so important i think the apostles would have clearly taught us to observe it, but they dont. Instead we get colossians 2, Romans 14, and Hebrews 4, none of which teach us to observe the seventh day sabbath.

Jesus and the Apostles all clearly taught and kept the Sabbath and all of God's LAW. It seems you are ignoring the scriptures by saying Jesus and the Apostles did not teach us to observe the Sabbath when the Sabbath scriptures are all through the OLD and NEW Testament and both Jesus, who is our example and all the Aposles kept and obeyed God's Sabbath which is God's 4th Commandment as well as all of God's Commandments.

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10

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Seems God's WORD disagrees with you here W2L. Maybe you should take it to God in prayer.

Eloy Craft · Aug 3, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed, not only this but it is written of those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY break God's Commandments when a

Hebrews is about Jews returning to the old covenant to wait for the Messiah again. There is no furthrr sacrifice and they crucify Christ again. You are out of context.

W2L · Aug 3, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Jesus and the Apostles all clearly taught and kept the Sabbath and all of God's LAW. It seems you are ignoring the scriptures by saying Jesus and the Apostles did not teach us to observe the Sabbath when the Sabbath scriptures are all through the OLD and NEW Testament and both Jesus, who is our example and all the Aposles kept and obeyed God's Sabbath which is God's 4th Commandment as well as all of God's Commandments.

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (James 2:11; 1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10

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Seems God's WORD disagrees with you here W2L. Maybe you should take it to God in prayer.

No, the apostles dont command sabbath. Im bowing out, thanks for your time.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 3, 2018

W2L said:
No, the apostles dont command sabbath. Im bowing out, thanks for your time.

You have to deny a lot of scripture to say that God's Word does not teach the Sabbath and the 10 Commandments W2L. This is sad for you and you do so at your own peril as it is God's WORD which we are all accountable.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

MATTHEW 5:17
[17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

May God help you brother W2L I will pray for you.

bekkilyn · Aug 3, 2018

W2L said:
No, the apostles dont command sabbath. Im bowing out, thanks for your time.

I'm sure I'll be waiting for yet another year for someone to show me that specific verse that clearly commands in the new testament for people to observe a sabbath day. Jesus does not command it. The apostles do not command it. No one commands it. It's not there. The seal of the new covenant is the holy spirit, not the sabbath.

This interpretation to keep a sabbath on a specific day or else horrible things will happen to you is a perversion of the whole idea of sabbath. It was intended as a *gift* to the Israelites, not something to be endured or used against them as a threat to salvation.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 3, 2018

bekkilyn said:
I'm sure I'll be waiting for yet another year for someone to show me that specific verse that clearly commands in the new testament for people to observe a sabbath day. Jesus does not command it. The apostles do not command it. No one commands it. It's not there. The seal of the new covenant is the holy spirit, not the sabbath.

This interpretation to keep a sabbath on a specific day or else horrible things will happen to you is a perversion of the whole idea of sabbath. It was intended as a *gift* to the Israelites, not something to be endured or used against them as a threat to salvation.

Your post has no truth in it whatsoever and is very sad for you. You provide no scripture and speak your own words over God's WORD.

Jesus and the Apostles taught everyone to follow and OBEY all of God's 10 Commandments. The Sabbath is God's 4th Commandment which James says if we break any one of the 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin (James 2:8-12). You say because the word Sabbath is not used in the 10 Commandments then a scripture cannot refer to the Sabbath even though God's Sabbath is the 4th commandment of the 10 (Exodus 20:8-11).

THESE SCRIPTURES FROM JESUS AND THE APOSTLES IN TH NEW TESTAMENT ALONE testify against you, and we have not even started on the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

Now in all of the above linked scriptures Jesus and the Apostles teach OBEDIENCE through FAITH in ALL of God's Commandments. Jesus teaches specifically about the Sabbath in the NEW Testament. If there was no more Sabbath why would Jesus teach about it?

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that God's people were already given and were alreasdy following for over 4000 years. With all the above in mind you choose to reject all this to say where is a command to keep the Sabbath when it is already given by God himself through his Word? To say something like this you have to either not know God's WORD. reject all OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT scripture or willfully reject God's WORD. Which is it with you? This is sad for you bekkilyn.

Indeed, It is hard to see when you close your eyes and ears to God's WORD. Paul and Jesus had the same problem when sharing the scriptures (please read; Matthew 15:7-9; Acts 28:25-27)

I will pray for you to prayerfully read your bible.

W2L · Aug 3, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
You have to deny a lot of scripture to say that God's Word does not teach the Sabbath and the 10 Commandments W2L. This is sad for you and you do so at your own peril as it is God's WORD which we are all accountable.

I said the apostles never commanded sabbath.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 3, 2018

W2L said:
I said the apostles never commanded sabbath.

If Jesus taught the SABBATH (4th Commandment) and followed it as did the Apostle and God commands it to be kept, what does it matter if you believe the above. What you have posted above is not true however as all the Apostles taught obedience to ALL of God's 10 Commandments in the NEW TESTAMENT. God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 Commandments so all the Apostles taught obedience to the SABBATH just as Jesus and all the Apostles kept the Sabbath and all the Commandments for our example through faith in God's Word.

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W2L · Aug 3, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
If Jesus taught it and followed it as did the Apostle did, and God commanded it to be kept, what does it matter if you believe the above. This is not true however all the Apostles taught obedience to ALL of God's 10 Commandments in the NEW TESTAMENT. God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 Commandments so all the Apostles taught obedience to the SABBATH just as Jesus and all the Apostles kept the Sabbath and all the Commandments for our example

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No, they said sabbath was a shadow but the reality is Christ.

THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

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