Revelation 20:1-8, Why Is Satan Currently Bound & Sealed?

Douggg · Jan 20, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Revelation 12 is a history lesson as Barean has shown you several times, starts with satan being cast to earth, he seek to destroy the God child Jesus, and ends in the tribulation period.

satan was on earth with Job thousands of years ago, he was on earth to tempt Jesus, taking him to the pinacle 2 thousand years ago.

I want to know how satan got his beam me up scotty to heaven ticket, where you believe he is presently is?

I have asked you several times, you have provided no scripture Riberra, were all waiting?

Satan does not have freedom to roam the third heaven where God's throne is.

Satan current domain is the cosmos, earth and the earth's atmosphere, the first heaven. Satan currently can roam the earth, like a lion, seeking who he can destroy.

Revelation 12:7-9 has not happen yet. Revelation 12:6 the 1260 days is the first half of the seven years. For part of that 1260 days from day 1185 to day 1260, the Jews will be fleeing in to the wilderness. At day 1260 the two witnesses are killed. On day 1263.5 they ascend to heaven (the third heaven).

Then the seventh trumpet blows, to take away the kingdoms of this world from Satan's hands - which the first step is the war in the second heaven, Satan and his angels cast down to earth - Mystery Babylon has fallen has fallen. In
Revelation 12:7-9.

Now has come Salvation, Revelation 12:10 - the Jews now receive the gospel, shocked by having been deceived and betrayed by the person they thought was their messiah King of Israel, for most of the first 1260 days.

Satan finds himself cast down to earth. He knows he has but a little time, because God is tightening the noose on him. Ezekiel 28:17. At the end of the 7 years, Satan is going to be exposed to them upon the earth, that everyone can see him for real. The fascade, the AOD image, that speaks and demands worship will be melted away by the brightness of Jesus's coming.

But before then, the devil seeks to destroy the Jews that have fled into the wilderness, but the earth helps them, supernatural events, to destroy hinder the armies he sends to go after them in the wilderness. Revelation 12:15-16.

So Satan directs his wrath at them stuck in Jerusalem who did not flee in time during the window between day 1185AOD as the two witness vs the beast and day 1260 two witnesses killed.

Those who did not flee in time are the remmant of her seed, in Revelation 12:17.

The first half of the 7 years - the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6
The second half of the 7 years - the time, times, half times of Revelation 12:14

The cosmos, the second heaven, the powers of the second heaven are going to be shakened near the end of the 70th week day 2475. Satan's previous place will be found no more, Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven - as the cosmos is parted, stars appearing to fall to the horizon, and pulled back, and the world sees Jesus before the throne of God in Revelation 6, the sixth seal.

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day 1......day 1185 AOD, then count forward 1335 days to day 2520....Jesus returns day 2520.

day 1...........day 1185 AOD....two witnesses vs beast... Jews flee......day 1260 two witnesses killed..... 3 1/2 days....day 1263.5 the two witnesses ascend. 42 months left beast rule, unhampered by the two witnesses.

day 1....... day 1263.5 two witnesses ascend, 7th trumpet sounds ......war in heaven takes place, Satan cast down......a time, times, half times left.

day 1.........day 1185 AOD, then count forward 1290 days to day 2475..... Jesus appears in heaven on day 2475.

day 1.....................................day 2475 Jesus appears in heaven.......armies assemble at Armageddon.......day 2520 Jesus descends destroys armies, end of 70th week

Riberra · Jan 20, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
No Job 1:6-7 does not even suggest Satan was in heaven, he was in the earth walking to and fro.

The sons of God are those that have faith in God, presenting themselves before the Lord cold be prayer.

The son's of God are not angels.

Angels in the Old Testament are called "The angel of the Lord" as seen in Genesis 16:7 and others places in the Old Testament.

Job 1:6-7KJV
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Who were the sons of God mentioned in Job 38:7 who were shouting of Joy when God have created the Earth if they are not the angels ?

Job 38:7 KJV

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Truth7t7 said:
No Job 1:6-7 does not even suggest Satan was in heaven, he was in the earth walking to and fro.

Face it, in Job 1:6-7....God was in Heaven in company of Angels---->then,God is asking Satan from where he came from ....
Job 1:6-7
7 And Jehovah said unto Satan,WHENCE comest thou?

I know that the KJV is hard to read for some....

If you are still not convinced here the definition of Whence

whence/(h)wens/
adverb

from what place or source.

adverb

from which; from where.

Truth7t7 said:
Scripture please to support your claim, that satan has a hall pass from God, to go from earth to heaven, and back to earth as he pleases?

Right there in Job 1:6-7 as I have demonstrated above.

-Your erroneous claim that the Sons of God is never used in the Bible for representing Angels have been proved wrong by Job 38:1-7.

BABerean2 · Jan 20, 2018

Postvieww said:
Neither do I condem you. Much of what you wrote I agree with. Just a few points we are apart on. I will try to respond tomorrow. You are my brother.

Brother,

It would be well worth your time to take a look at the following, which lays out the Dispensational, Premill doctrine.
I know you have already let go of the first part, but are still struggling with the second.

Dr. Sam Storms attended Dallas Theological Seminary, but rejected the viewpoint taught by the school before he graduated.
His view is very close to my understanding.

His book "Kingdom Come" is an excellent resource on this topic.

.

Truth7t7 · Jan 20, 2018

Riberra said:
The history lesson stop when it is said that Jesus was taken to Heaven
Revelation 12:5
5 And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne.

Satan [that old serpent] was also on the Earth in the Garden of Eden to tempt Eve....Genesis 3

As you can see Satan is not limited to Heaven....

From where do you get that idea that Satan is `actually` locked into the Bottomless Pit ?

Can you show us the verses ?

Yep we know he was in the garde of Eden, and with Job, and with Jesus in his temptarion, where did all these events take place?

"On This Earth"

still waiting for scripture thats states he went from earth to heaven?

Truth7t7 · Jan 20, 2018

Riberra said:
Who were the sons of God mentioned in Job 38:7 who were shouting of Joy when God have created the Earth if they are not the angels ?

Job 38:7 KJV

1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Face it, in Job 1:6-7....God was in Heaven in company of Angels---->then,God is asking Satan from where he came from ....
Job 1:6-7
7 And Jehovah said unto Satan,WHENCE comest thou?

I know that the KJV is hard to read for some....

If you are still not convinced here the definition of Whence

whence/(h)wens/
adverb

from what place or source.

adverb

from which; from where.

Right there in Job 1:6-7 as I have demonstrated above.

-Your erroneous claim that the Sons of God is never used in the Bible for representing Angels have been proved wrong by Job 38:1-7.

You teach in error that "the sons of God"
In Job 38:7 are angels.

God's word in Romans teaches "The Sons Of God" are the righteous humans, led by the Spirit of God.

Are you a son of God?

Was Job a son of God?

Was Jeremiah a son of God?

Romans 8:3KJV
But as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Riberra · Jan 20, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Yep we know he was in the garde of Eden, and with Job, and with Jesus in his temptarion, where did all these events take place?

"On This Earth"

still waiting for scripture thats states he went from earth to heaven?

Where was Satan before he entered the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3 ?

Riberra · Jan 20, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Romans 8:3KJV
But as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Your erroneous claim that the Sons of God is NEVER used in the Bible for representing Angels have been proved wrong by Job 38:1-7.

The SONS of GOD were present when God Created the Earth...

Job 38:1-7
1 Then Jehovah answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel By words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; For I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof,

7 When the morning stars sang together, And all THE SONS of God shouted for joy?

Truth7t7 · Jan 20, 2018

Riberra said:
Your erroneous claim that the Sons of God is NEVER used in the Bible for representing Angels have been proved wrong by Job 38:1-7.

The SONS of GOD were present when God Created the Earth...

Job 38:1-7
1 Then Jehovah answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel By words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; For I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof,

7 When the morning stars sang together, And all THE SONS of God shouted for joy?

Do you also believe in "Chuck Missler's" teaching of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:4

"The sons of God" went in unto the daughters of men"?

A teaching that has Angels having sexual intercourse with human women, giving birth to giants?

Riberra · Jan 20, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Do you also believe in "Chuck Missler's" teaching of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:4

"The sons of God" went in unto the daughters of men"?

A teaching that has Angels having sexual intercourse with human women, giving birth to giants?

Why are you trying to change the subject suddenly ?

Is it because there is something in Job 38:1-7 that you don't like ?...

Can you tell us WHO are the SONS OF GOD WHO SHOUTED OF JOY when God have created the Earth Mentioned in Job 38:7 ?

Job 38:1-7
1 Then Jehovah answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel By words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; For I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof,

7 When the morning stars sang together, And all THE SONS of God shouted for joy?

Truth7t7 · Jan 20, 2018

Riberra said:
Why are you trying to change the subject suddenly ?

Is it because there is something in Job 38:1-7 that you don't like ?...

Can you tell us WHO are the SONS OF GOD WHO SHOUTED OF JOY when God have created the Earth Mentioned in Job 38:7 ?

Job 38:1-7
1 Then Jehovah answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel By words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; For I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof,

7 When the morning stars sang together, And all THE SONS of God shouted for joy?

I have already shown you "sons of God" applies to the righteous in faith, Romans 8:3

Job 38:7 represents human men led by the Spirit of God, same as Romans.

I'm not gonna repeat it a 100 times, we disagree.

Do you believe in the teaching of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:24?

Angels had sexual intercourse with human women, and giants were the offspring.

Riberra · Jan 20, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
I have already shown you "sons of God" applies to the righteous in faith, Romans 8:3

Job 38:7 represents human men led by the Spirit of God, same as Romans.

Do you realize that Job 38:1-7 refers to the moment when God have created the Earth in Genesis 1:1.....THUS BEFORE that God have created Adam and Eve.

Truth7t7 said:
I'm not gonna repeat it a 100 times, we disagree.

The disagreement disappear when you take into consideration that Job 38:1-7 and Romans 8:3 talk about 2 different matters ----WITH 2 DIFFERENT CONTEXT.

You cannot have -men lead by the Spirit of God- before that the first man was created....

Job 38:1-7 Context ------>the moment when God created the Earth mentioned in Genesis 1:1 ALL the Sons of God [angels] were there shouting of Joy [in harmony].... THUS EVEN BEFORE SATAN'S REBELLION AGAINST GOD

thesunisout · Jan 20, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Revelation 20:3 states satan is sealed for one specific purpose "Deceiving The Nations"

Revelation 20:8 clearly shows "Deceive The Nations" as satan deceives the nations to the final battle of Armageddon.

This same "Deceive The Nations" is seen in Revelation 16:12-17 as "Devils In Deception" go forth from the dragon/satan, beast, false prophet, to gather the same nations to battle as seen in Revelation 20:8-9

Satan is loosed at the end of the future tribulation, to perform this deception, as you clearly see satan, beast, and false prophet present.

Many falsely believe and teach this event takes place after a 1000 year kingdom, 100% false.

The non-literal 1000 years is taking place now in the Lords spiritual realm, if a future tribulation saint dies one week before the return of Jesus Christ, he enters this reign.

Revelation 16:12-17 & Revelation 20:8 are the exact same event of "Deceiving The Nations" in parallel teachings.

Its the false teaching that the book of Revelation is in chronilogical order, that keeps many from this biblical truth.

Satan is bound and sealed ftom "One Specific Purpose" that is "Deceiving The Nations" To The Final Battle.

Can Satan currently perform this "Deceiving The Nations" as seen in Revelation 16:12-17?

100% No, The Sixth Vial Must Be Poured, as this angels vial has him bound and sealed.

Many falsely teach Satan is bound from performing all evil, while a utopian 1000 year kingdom takes place? 100% False.

At no place in Revelation 20:1-8 does it state all evil is bound, a false teaching.

Once again Satan is currently bound and sealed from one specific item, "Deceiving The Nations" to the final battle seen in Revelation 16:12-17 & Revelation 20:8-9

Jesus Christ Is Lord

Truth7t7

The thousand years is literal, because a day to the Lord is as a thousand years. In Gods 7000 year timeline, which mirrors the creation week, the millennial kingdom is his day of sabbath rest.

Riberra · Jan 20, 2018

thesunisout said:
The thousand years is literal, because a day to the Lord is as a thousand years. In Gods 7000 year timeline, which mirrors the creation week, the millennial kingdom is his day of sabbath rest.

Truth7t7 is probably jumping on his chair at the sole mention of the future 1,000 years Kingdom of Jesus on the Earth....he does not seem interested of being part of it ----->for some reasons ?

carrwinn · Jan 21, 2018

In Matthew 24 Jesus stated that then in those days -- pointing to a future time past a soon occurring tribulation (70 ce) that there would be a great tribulation unlike any that had been seen or experienced before.
God's people had experienced tribulation due to spiritual rebellion and their resorting to pagan behavior and worship and trusting in political alliances on and off through their history.(ex. Assyria, Egypt, Babylon)
Such actions culminated in the God of Israel Jehovah abandoning them due to their gross conduct and unrepentant attitudes. One example would have been the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 Bce.
Though tumult did exist afterwards, due to the nation of Israel rejecting God's son as the Messiah Jesus prophecied that Jerusalem would again be destroyed and that was fulfilled in 70 ce following a Roman siege and withdrawal in 66 giving faithful Christians heeding Jesus words to this effect time to flee and be safe. What proceeded leading up and ending in 70 ce was indeed tribulation as Jesus stated it would be. The historian Josephus cited such referring to the desperate conditions that residents and fighting factions found themselves in. -Again these things were clear evidence of God's abandonment of Jerusalem as the seat of His throne as the nation of Israel as a whole rejected His son and didn't want to follow God's clear direction to obey Jesus.
Building on this the Bible takes us now to that greater tribulation soon to come as Jesus spoke of which has been built on the sign of " the last days."(2 Timothy 3:1-5)
Revelation 6, The book of Daniel, and Revelation 12 along with Matthew 24 and Bible calculation show that the period of the last days would begin in 1914.
Included in the sign with war, famine, pestilence is a great preaching work built on Jesus' model and the apostles' trained examples in the first century mirroring prophets of old like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Joel and others who would pronounce God's judgements and proclaim the only hope founded in Jesus as king of God's established kingdom.(Matthew 6:9,10)
Scripture states that following the great tribulation where all world systems will be shut down including false religion(ex the Israelites vs Amorites, Canaanites etc) Jesus will act to abyss Satan and the demons and will usher in a kingdom to rule for 1000 years. After which he will turn said kingdom having accomplished God's will to bring man back to perfection, resurrect the dead, remove inherited sin etc, back over to his Father.(Matthew 6:9,10; Revelation)
Ultimately then the tribulation and Armageddon are necessary steps that God will take to "clean house" of all things that work against the sanctification and vindication of His holy name and all His name stands for.
The abyssing of Satan and all other Rebellious angels will allow for complete peace free from distraction and chaos and harm to man that we see today and that was started in the garden of Eden.
After the 1000 years Satan will be released with the other Angels and will be allowed to seek to mislead or tempt any who would so choose thinking that they can be independent and or don't need God to tell them what to do.(Genesis 2,3;Bk of Job;Proverbs 27:11; Revelation)
God will then destroy any who side with Satan or alienate themselves from God and complete peace will finally and completely be able to reign.
No more will there be this Devil and Satan who has been so responsible for so much torture ,fear, and chaos as " the god of this system of things".(and Matthew 4; 2 Corinthians 4:4)

Truth7t7 said:
I don't see or believe your symbolic representation of the nations being "Political Nations"

The same would apply to the battle of Armageddon being in the church.

I can't disagree much of what claims to be the church is apostate, and under judgment

However their will be a future literal battle of Armageddon in Israel, and all nations will be invited.

Thanks for your response.

Truth7t7 · Jan 21, 2018

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carrwinn said:
In Matthew 24 Jesus stated that then in those days -- pointing to a future time past a soon occurring tribulation (70 ce) that there would be a great tribulation unlike any that had been seen or experienced before.
God's people had experienced tribulation due to spiritual rebellion and their resorting to pagan behavior and worship and trusting in political alliances on and off through their history.(ex. Assyria, Egypt, Babylon)
Such actions culminated in the God of Israel Jehovah abandoning them due to their gross conduct and unrepentant attitudes. One example would have been the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 Bce.
Though tumult did exist afterwards, due to the nation of Israel rejecting God's son as the Messiah Jesus prophecied that Jerusalem would again be destroyed and that was fulfilled in 70 ce following a Roman siege and withdrawal in 66 giving faithful Christians heeding Jesus words to this effect time to flee and be safe. What proceeded leading up and ending in 70 ce was indeed tribulation as Jesus stated it would be. The historian Josephus cited such referring to the desperate conditions that residents and fighting factions found themselves in. -Again these things were clear evidence of God's abandonment of Jerusalem as the seat of His throne as the nation of Israel as a whole rejected His son and didn't want to follow God's clear direction to obey Jesus.
Building on this the Bible takes us now to that greater tribulation soon to come as Jesus spoke of which has been built on the sign of " the last days."(2 Timothy 3:1-5)
Revelation 6, The book of Daniel, and Revelation 12 along with Matthew 24 and Bible calculation show that the period of the last days would begin in 1914.
Included in the sign with war, famine, pestilence is a great preaching work built on Jesus' model and the apostles' trained examples in the first century mirroring prophets of old like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Joel and others who would pronounce God's judgements and proclaim the only hope founded in Jesus as king of God's established kingdom.(Matthew 6:9,10)
Scripture states that following the great tribulation where all world systems will be shut down including false religion(ex the Israelites vs Amorites, Canaanites etc) Jesus will act to abyss Satan and the demons and will usher in a kingdom to rule for 1000 years. After which he will turn said kingdom having accomplished God's will to bring man back to perfection, resurrect the dead, remove inherited sin etc, back over to his Father.(Matthew 6:9,10; Revelation)
Ultimately then the tribulation and Armageddon are necessary steps that God will take to "clean house" of all things that work against the sanctification and vindication of His holy name and all His name stands for.
The abyssing of Satan and all other Rebellious angels will allow for complete peace free from distraction and chaos and harm to man that we see today and that was started in the garden of Eden.
After the 1000 years Satan will be released with the other Angels and will be allowed to seek to mislead or tempt any who would so choose thinking that they can be independent and or don't need God to tell them what to do.(Genesis 2,3;Bk of Job;Proverbs 27:11; Revelation)
God will then destroy any who side with Satan or alienate themselves from God and complete peace will finally and completely be able to reign.
No more will there be this Devil and Satan who has been so responsible for so much torture ,fear, and chaos as " the god of this system of things".(and Matthew 4; 2 Corinthians 4:4)

Do you believe in a future second advent of Jesus Christ, and bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ? 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

Truth7t7 · Jan 21, 2018

Riberra said:
Truth7t7 is probably jumping on his chair at the sole mention of the future 1,000 years Kingdom of Jesus on the Earth....he does not seem interested of being part of it ----->for some reasons ?

Third time?

Do you believe in the Nephilim?

Genesis 6:4

"The sons of God" went in unto the daughters of men?

Angels having sexual intercourse with human women, the offspring were giants?

Postvieww · Jan 21, 2018

Good Morning BAB, I pulled out the portion of your post I have the greatest disagreement about. I’ll state my reasons and let the chips fall where they may.

BABerean2 said:
Satan was one of the angels who sinned.

If you refer to 2 Peter 2:4, I hold to the position that these angels that “sinned” are not there because of the rebellion but because of the sin of Genesis 6:2. I have a whole thread that deals with that and will try to litigate it here. I believe the fallen angels that did not commit the sin of Genesis 6 are not bound at this time and are free to wreak chaos on this old world. Some I believe have positions of authority over geographical locations such as the prince of Persia in Daniel 10.

BABerean2 said:
He led the rebellion.

We agree.

BABerean2 said:
He has been cast down to this planet.

We disagree, I believe that is yet future for a variety of reasons. One of which is If satan and his ilk were cast down at the rebellion (pre Adam) and he was chained in the pit at the cross how does Revelation 12:12 fit into this senerio? How does he have a short time if he were cast down after the rebellion ?

Revelation 12:12 “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time”

BABerean2 said:
In my opinion we are now in the great falling away.

You may be right but it will get worse.

BABerean2 said:
Our nation has turned from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
We are one emergency away from global government.

Agreed!

BABerean2 said:
The enemy will deceive the whole world during this time.

Sorry, I believe he is doing that right now and has been for thousands of years.

BABerean2 said:
The beast comes up out of the pit in the verse below. Therefore, where is he now?

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

You have made the assumption the beast here is satan himself, I disagree.

I see the beast as a man (antichrist , under the command or control of satan ) not satan himself.

1. I see the event of Revelation 19:20 a separate event from Revelation 20:1-3.

2. Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:

3. The dragon is satan. Revelation 20:2

4. Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 3 Distinct entities!

Where is the beast now? I do not pretend to have all of the answers either . I am confidant that the beast is not satan and that IMHO is evidence satan himself is not currently bound .

On this thread alone we have the theory satan is bound until released to facilitate Armageddon and one theory that he is currently bound to facilitate the growth of the church. I am not sure if you align yourself with either of these totally or something different but I am a long way from accepting that the entity of satan is currently bound for either of these purposes.

Even if satan were bound himself we still have the operation of demons wreaking havoc on our world. How could the binding of satan help the growth of the church with hordes of demons on the lose? If one ever has interaction with a person truly possessed, trust me brother you will never forget it and you will not even consider the kingdom of satan has been eradicated from this earth as of yet.

Now to the point of what Christ accomplished at the cross. I totally believe Christ defeated the kingdom of darkness but I do not believe that means it has been eradicated from the earth as of yet. What I believe it means is we as believers have been given the tools and authority to combat evil very day but that evil is not locked up in a pit out of our site.

This is just a portion of what I believe on this topic, I am open to any thing you have to say, I respect you as one who truly seeks truth but sometimes in that quest we just disagree. Hey I’ve been wrong before, I believed in a a pretib rapture for about 30 years so there is hope for me, ha ha.

Postvieww · Jan 21, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
I have already shown you "sons of God" applies to the righteous in faith, Romans 8:3

No one here disagrees with this statement if the phrase “son of God” is in a New Testament context . Context matters.

Truth7t7 said:
Job 38:7 represents human men led by the Spirit of God, same as Romans.

With all due respect you have declared it but not proven it. While it is not the main topic of this thread I believe every example of “sons of God “ in the Old Testament can be shown to not be the same as Romans. Job 38:7 has nothing in common with Romans.

I am not shy, before you ask the question yes I do believe it.

Truth7t7 · Jan 21, 2018

Postvieww said:
No one here disagrees with this statement if the phrase “son of God” is in a New Testament context . Context matters.

With all due respect you have declared it but not proven it. While it is not the main topic of this thread I believe every example of “sons of God “ in the Old Testament can be shown to not be the same as Romans. Job 38:7 has nothing in common with Romans.

I am not shy, before you ask the question yes I do believe it.

I have shown that Romans 8:3 "the sons of God" is the same as Job 38:17, same Holy Spirit writing in Greek and Hebrew. We will disagree.

The word Angel(s) is used throughout the old testament.

You did not copy my quote and answer with your not shy, you believe it?

I will presume you believe the teaching of the Nephilim?

Genesis 6:4

Angels having sexual intercourse with humans, that produces giants.

This teaching is from Mythology and not found in scripture.

Matthew 22:30 clearly teaches the Angels are not given in marriage. The sex act is when two become one flesh, joined together and the definition of marriage.

Do angels have sex drives, prostate glands, and sperm?

As clearly seen, "The Sons Of God" seen in Genesis 6:4 are human men.

Postvieww · Jan 21, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
This teaching is from Mythology and not found in scripture.

. Not if you are wrong about “sons of God” in the Old Testament.

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