Beginning in Revelation 12:7

[Douggg]

The 7th angel sounds, after the 1260 days of the two witnesses. Revelation 11:15.

Signaling Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. Revelation12:7

Revelation 12:9 Satan and his angels falling to earth - the time of their judgment has come. Rev. 11:18

Falling to earth, Satan is tossed the key to the bottomless pit, by Michael, to release his (Satan's) cohorts there in the bottomless pit, as the time of their judgment has also come.

Satan, as the falling star angel, in Revelation 9:1, given the key to the bottomless pit, opens the bottomless pit, releasing the locust creatures and their king - Abaddon, the angel of the bottomless pit.

So the beginning of the third woe and the first woe begin virturally at the same time.

The first woe of tormenting locust creatures is over after 5 months.
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The third woe continues with the time/times/half time of Satan's wrath. Satan will be a terror during that time. Ezekiel 28:19.

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Near the end of the time/times/half time, the Euphrates river drys up making way for the kings of the east, Revelation 16:6. The second woe begins.

On their way to the middle east, the armies of the kings of the east, 200 million in size, kill a third of mankind, mostly in Pakistan and India.

Meanwhile, in the middle east, the beast-king, king of the west (of the EU, allied with the US and Canada), headquartered in Israel, is being attacked by the kings of the south and north, Daniel 11:40.

In Daniel 11:44, the beast-king gets the news about the 200 million size army heading his way. All taking place near the end of the great tribulation 1335 days long, begun with the abomination of desolation setup in Daniel 12:11-12, on day 1185 of the 7 year timeline.

Suddenly ! totally unexpected, after "the tribulation of those days" (1290 days long) Matthew 24:29, the heavens are shaken ! The sign of the Son of Man is then seen in heaven, Matthew 24:30a, Revelation 6:12-17.

The appearance of Jesus in heaven to them on the earth, will be on day 1185 +1290 days = day 2475 on the time line. Leaving 75 days before Jesus returns on day 2520, the last day of the 7 years.

The sign of the Son of Man in heaven is Jesus, sickle in hand, Revelation 14:14. His intentions obvious. The day of His wrath is come.

The kings of the earth are terrified. Stop fighting against the beast-king.

The kings of the earth are paralyzed by the vision of Jesus above them - then in Revelation 16:13 , the beast-king, the false prophet, and the living, breathing statue image, incarnated by Satan, there in Jerusalem, summon a council, a meeting with the kings of the earth, Psalms 2: 2.

They devise a plan in hopes to keep Jesus from executing judgment on them. By assembling their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus, and also surround Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:2 and take half of Jerusalem as hostages.

They carry out their plan over the next 75 days from when they first see Jesus.

At the very end of the 75 days, the 7th vial is poured out in Revelation 16:17-21. The 7 vial judgments are finished.

Then Jesus descends down to earth, in Revelation 19, accompanied with the crowned raptured/resurrected saints given to them during the bema seat reward time in heaven while the time/times/half time of God's wrath and Satan's wrath is taking place on earth.

Jesus descends and stands on the Mt. of Olives, splitting it in half, making a way for the hostages held just outside of Jerusalem to escape through.

Then Jesus looks directly, with intensity of anger, at the abomination of desolation statue. It goes up in flames, turned to ashes, exposing Satan in plain sight there on the temple mount. Ezekiel 28:16-19.

Then a portal is opened and the lake of fire appears above the temple mount in the sky. And the beast-king and the false prophet are cast alive into it. It then closes. Revelation 19:20.

Then Jesus speaks and the armies surrounding Jerusalem all die. Revelation 19:21. Ezekiel 39:17-20.

Another portal opens above the temple mount, and Satan, forced to witness all of his plans, and mystery kingdom of Babylon the great destroyed is bound in chains, and cast into the bottomless pit portal. It closes and a seal placed over it. Revelation 20:1-3.

And the millennial rule of Jesus here on earth begins.

 

[fli]

The 7th angel sounds, after the 1260 days of the two witnesses. Revelation 11:15.

Signaling Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. Revelation12:7

Revelation 12:9 Satan and his angels falling to earth - the time of their judgment has come. Rev. 11:18

Falling to earth, Satan is tossed the key to the bottomless pit, by Michael, to release his (Satan's) cohorts there in the bottomless pit, as the time of their judgment has also come.

Satan, as the falling star angel, in Revelation 9:1, given the key to the bottomless pit, opens the bottomless pit, releasing the locust creatures and their king - Abaddon, the angel of the bottomless pit.

So the beginning of the third woe and the first woe begin virturally at the same time.

The first woe of tormenting locust creatures is over after 5 months.
.
The third woe continues with the time/times/half time of Satan's wrath. Satan will be a terror during that time. Ezekiel 28:19.

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Near the end of the time/times/half time, the Euphrates river drys up making way for the kings of the east, Revelation 16:6. The second woe begins.

On their way to the middle east, the armies of the kings of the east, 200 million in size, kill a third of mankind, mostly in Pakistan and India.

Meanwhile, in the middle east, the beast-king, king of the west (of the EU, allied with the US and Canada), headquartered in Israel, is being attacked by the kings of the south and north, Daniel 11:40.

In Daniel 11:44, the beast-king gets the news about the 200 million size army heading his way. All taking place near the end of the great tribulation 1335 days long, begun with the abomination of desolation setup in Daniel 12:11-12, on day 1185 of the 7 year timeline.

Suddenly ! totally unexpected, after "the tribulation of those days" (1290 days long) Matthew 24:29, the heavens are shaken ! The sign of the Son of Man is then seen in heaven, Matthew 24:30a, Revelation 6:12-17.

The appearance of Jesus in heaven to them on the earth, will be on day 1185 +1290 days = day 2475 on the time line. Leaving 75 days before Jesus returns on day 2520, the last day of the 7 years.

The sign of the Son of Man in heaven is Jesus, sickle in hand, Revelation 14:14. His intentions obvious. The day of His wrath is come.

The kings of the earth are terrified. Stop fighting against the beast-king.

The kings of the earth are paralyzed by the vision of Jesus above them - then in Revelation 16:13 , the beast-king, the false prophet, and the living, breathing statue image, incarnated by Satan, there in Jerusalem, summon a council, a meeting with the kings of the earth, Psalms 2: 2.

They devise a plan in hopes to keep Jesus from executing judgment on them. By assembling their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus, and also surround Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:2 and take half of Jerusalem as hostages.

They carry out their plan over the next 75 days from when they first see Jesus.

At the very end of the 75 days, the 7th vial is poured out in Revelation 16:17-21. The 7 vial judgments are finished.

Then Jesus descends down to earth, in Revelation 19, accompanied with the crowned raptured/resurrected saints given to them during the bema seat reward time in heaven while the time/times/half time of God's wrath and Satan's wrath is taking place on earth.

Jesus descends and stands on the Mt. of Olives, splitting it in half, making a way for the hostages held just outside of Jerusalem to escape through.

Then Jesus looks directly, with intensity of anger, at the abomination of desolation statue. It goes up in flames, turned to ashes, exposing Satan in plain sight there on the temple mount. Ezekiel 28:16-19.

Then a portal is opened and the lake of fire appears above the temple mount in the sky. And the beast-king and the false prophet are cast alive into it. It then closes. Revelation 19:20.

Then Jesus speaks and the armies surrounding Jerusalem all die. Revelation 19:21. Ezekiel 39:17-20.

Another portal opens above the temple mount, and Satan, forced to witness all of his plans, and mystery kingdom of Babylon the great destroyed is bound in chains, and cast into the bottomless pit portal. It closes and a seal placed over it. Revelation 20:1-3.

And the millennial rule of Jesus here on earth begins.

John 12:30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die. NKJV


According to Jesus Satan was cast out when He was crucified. He didn't say where Satan was cast out of nor where he was cast to. We know from Job that Satan was in heaven to accuse Job and he could could go to and fro on the earth at that time.


Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, 'These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: 13 "I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. NKJV


When Jesus gave John the revelation Satan had set his throne somewhere in what is now Turkey. Since Satan was on the earth when John wrote revelation he was not cast out of the earth when Jesus died. Therefore, when Jesus was crucified Satan was cast out of heaven to the earth.


1 Thessalonians 2:18 Therefore we wanted to come to you — even I, Paul, time and again — but Satan hindered us. NKJV


1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. NKJV


Paul and Peter attest to the fact Satan was active on the earth during their ministry.

 

[Fisherking]

The 7th angel sounds, after the 1260 days of the two witnesses. Revelation 11:15.

Signaling Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. Revelation12:7

Revelation 12:9 Satan and his angels falling to earth - the time of their judgment has come. Rev. 11:18

Your timing has always been off.

One of these days you will get it, The middle of the week starts in Rev. 8 via the Trump Judgment, or God's Wrath (asteroid hits). It last for 1260 days, God allows the A.C. to go forth conquering as a part of his wrath, chastisement, just like Babylon was a part of Israel's 69 week punishment, just as was Greece & Rome, the coming A.C. will be a part of God's wrath, judgment, and he will rule for 42 months, parallel with God's 1260 days of wrath.

The 7th Trump sounds and it is the 3rd Woe (see Rev. 8:13 it says the last three trumps are the three woes) so the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe, so how can the 7 Vials be the start of the middle of the week, it makes no sense brother. You have been posting this for years, which shows me you are not really sure. And for good reason, its just not factual.

 

[Douggg]

Your timing has always been off.

One of these days you will get it, The middle of the week starts in Rev. 8 via the Trump Judgment, or God's Wrath (asteroid hits). It last for 1260 days, God allows the A.C. to go forth conquering as a part of his wrath, chastisement, just like Babylon was a part of Israel's 69 week punishment, just as was Greece & Rome, the coming A.C. will be a part of God's wrath, judgment, and he will rule for 42 months, parallel with God's 1260 days of wrath.

The 7th Trump sounds and it is the 3rd Woe (see Rev. 8:13 it says the last three trumps are the three woes) so the 7 Vials ate the 3rd Woe, so how can the 7 Vials be the start of the middle of the week, it makes no sense brother. You have been posting this for years, which shows me you are not really sure. And for good reason, its just not factual.

God's wrath and Satan's wrath are during the time/times/half time that Satan will have left. Both are initiated when the 7th angel sounds.

Here is the walk through.....

First, Matthew 24:15-21, Jesus said that the great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet is standing in the holy place. In those verses, it does not say anything about God's wrath, nor Satan's wrath - agreed ?

Next, we go to Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation set-up, involving time frames of 1290 days and 1335 days. So we know that the great tribulation will last 1335 days, the greater of the two.

Next we go to Revelation 8:13 to know the 7th angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

Next we go to Revelation 11:15-18, and the 7th angel sounds. There is rejoicing in heaven in verses 16-17.

In verse 18, the time of God's wrath has come it says in the text, when the 7th angel sounds.

Next we go to Revelation 12:12, to learn what is the third woe announced by the 7th angel. The third woe is Satan cast down to earth having great wrath. So Satan's wrath also begins when the 7th angel sounds.

Satan's little time left in Revelation 12:14 is a time/times/half time.

So from the text of the walk through - it can be known that the great tribulation is 1335 days long, beginning when the abomination of desolation is setup.

Within that 1335 day long great tribulation - during the last part of it - the time/times/half time - will be both God's wrath and Satan's wrath taking place.

 

[Douggg]

John 12:30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die. NKJV


According to Jesus Satan was cast out when He was crucified. He didn't say where Satan was cast out of nor where he was cast to. We know from Job that Satan was in heaven to accuse Job and he could could go to and fro on the earth at that time.


Revelation 2:12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, 'These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: 13 "I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. NKJV


When Jesus gave John the revelation Satan had set his throne somewhere in what is now Turkey. Since Satan was on the earth when John wrote revelation he was not cast out of the earth when Jesus died. Therefore, when Jesus was crucified Satan was cast out of heaven to the earth.


1 Thessalonians 2:18 Therefore we wanted to come to you — even I, Paul, time and again — but Satan hindered us. NKJV


1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. NKJV


Paul and Peter attest to the fact Satan was active on the earth during their ministry.

John 12:30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die. NKJV

I don't think those verses are referring to location, but of power of the gospel. In verse 32, lifted up from the earth, does not mean ascend above the earth - but the type of execution by the Romans of nailing persons to crosses, then standing up the cross, into a hole dug in the ground to keep it upright.

Because of Jesus's death, drawing all peoples to Him, believing upon Him as atonement for their sins - that makes it possible for God to forgive believers of their sins, thus they escaping judgment for their sins by grace - but eternal judgment on Satan to be cast out of creation into the lake of fire.

 

[Douggg]

The 7th Trump sounds and it is the 3rd Woe (see Rev. 8:13 it says the last three trumps are the three woes) so the 7 Vials ate the 3rd Woe, so how can the 7 Vials be the start of the middle of the week, it makes no sense brother. You have been posting this for years, which shows me you are not really sure. And for good reason, its just not factual.

I did not say the 7 vials of God's wrath begin on day 1260. The seven vials of God's wrath will be "within" the time/times/half time that Satan will have left. When exactly during that time/times/half time, the first vial will be poured out is not known.

 

[Fisherking]

God's wrath and Satan's wrath are during the time/times/half time that Satan will have left. Both are initiated when the 7th angel sounds.

Here is the walk through.....

First, Matthew 24:15-21, Jesus said that the great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet is standing in the holy place. In those verses, it does not say anything about God's wrath, nor Satan's wrath - agreed ?

Not exactly, he told the Jews to Flee from Judea when they see the 1290 AoD then describes the coming troubles, but of course those troubles have to have gap (30 days) between the time Israel is told to flee and the time they are conquered, else they couldn't flee. So, 30 days after the AoD, the Anti-Christ conquers Israel at the middle of the week 1260 event. What you do not seemingly understand is the A.C. is an instrument of God's Wrath just like Nebuchadnezzar was. The Asteroid HITS and the Anti-Christ GOES FORTH all on the exact same day. Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath, He casts Satan down to earth, thus the Dragon chases the Woman (Israel) for only 1260 days. You just can not grasp that God has centered EVERYTHING AROUND the 1260 Middle of the Week, He gives Israel a WARNING 30 days before this at the 1290, why would God warn Israel after they had been conquered? That would not make any sense at all.

Next, we go to Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation set-up, involving time frames of 1290 days and 1335 days. So we know that the great tribulation will last 1335 days, the greater of the two.

You totally do not get this, at all. Each day is that many days until the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL of these Wonders/Things as seen in Dan. 12:6 and Dan. 12:8. The Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, they show up before the DOTL (12 God's Wrath falls/A.C. goes forth) and then the AoD happens next, that is the False Prophet not the A.C. who is not allowed to go forth until the 1260, which is 30 days after the 1290, and 75 days after the 1335.

Next we go to Revelation 8:13 to know the 7th angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

He does no such thing, he says the Last Three Trumpet Judgments are yet to be blown, and when they are blown they will be the Three Woes to come. They are Blown in Rev. 9 (Woes 1 & 2) and in Rev. 16, yes we see in Rev. 11 that the Two-witnesses LAST PRAYER will be answered, but the actual Judgments of the 3rd Woe can be seen in Rev. 16, the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe. We hear about the 2nd Woe in Rev. 11 also, but the actual 2nd Woe can only be seen in Rev. 9. This is how you conflate the timing.

Next we go to Revelation 11:15-18, and the 7th angel sounds. There is rejoicing in heaven in verses 16-17.

In verse 18, the time of God's wrath has come it says in the text, when the 7th angel sounds.

Again, this is a Parenthetical Chapter, not a REAL TIME Chapter. It happens whilst God Wrath falls in Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 16.

Next we go to Revelation 12:12, to learn what is the third woe announced by the 7th angel. The third woe is Satan cast down to earth having great wrath. So Satan's wrath also begins when the 7th angel sounds.

That is NOT the 3rd Woe, that is just you conflating Satan's Anger and vitriol over a 1260 day period with the 3rd Woe, all the Three Woes are the Wrath of God, just like all 7 Trumps are. All God's Wrath comes from the 7 Trumps. The three Woes comes from three Trumps.

Satan's little time left in Revelation 12:14 is a time/times/half time.

Yes, he chases the Woman (Israel) for 1260 days, you got one right. I do not think its called the Little Time in Rev. 12, you are (I think I could be wrong) talking about the A.C. in Rev. 6 via the Seals who rules a little season. (42 months)

So from the text of the walk through - it can be known that the great tribulation is 1335 days long, beginning when the abomination of desolation is setup.

Within that 1335 day long great tribulation - during the last part of it - the time/times/half time - will be both God's wrath and Satan's wrath taking place.

You do not understand the 1335 Blessing at all. EVERYTHING CENTERS around the Middle of the week 1260 event.

 

[fli]

John 12:30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake. 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die. NKJV

I don't think those verses are referring to location, but of power of the gospel. In verse 32, lifted up from the earth, does not mean ascend above the earth - but the type of execution by the Romans of nailing persons to crosses, then standing up the cross, into a hole dug in the ground to keep it upright.

Because of Jesus's death, drawing all peoples to Him, believing upon Him as atonement for their sins - that makes it possible for God to forgive believers of their sins, thus they escaping judgment for their sins by grace - but eternal judgment on Satan to be cast out of creation into the lake of fire.

Matthew 13:18 "Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." NKJV


Matthew 7:13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. NKJV


The gospel is powerful. God made it as easy as He could for one to be saved. The parables explain why the gospel cannot drive Satan from the world. He was cast to earth when Jesus was crucified.

 

[Douggg]

Not exactly, he told the Jews to Flee from Judea when they see the 1290 AoD then describes the coming troubles, but of course those troubles have to have gap (30 days) between the time Israel is told to flee and the time they are conquered, else they couldn't flee. So, 30 days after the AoD, the Anti-Christ conquers Israel at the middle of the week 1260 event. What you do not seemingly understand is the A.C. is an instrument of God's Wrath just like Nebuchadnezzar was. The Asteroid HITS and the Anti-Christ GOES FORTH all on the exact same day. Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath, He casts Satan down to earth, thus the Dragon chases the Woman (Israel) for only 1260 days. You just can not grasp that God has centered EVERYTHING AROUND the 1260 Middle of the Week, He gives Israel a WARNING 30 days before this at the 1290, why would God warn Israel after they had been conquered? That would not make any sense at all.


You totally do not get this, at all. Each day is that many days until the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL of these Wonders/Things as seen in Dan. 12:6 and Dan. 12:8. The Two-witnesses are the 1335 Blessing, they show up before the DOTL (12 God's Wrath falls/A.C. goes forth) and then the AoD happens next, that is the False Prophet not the A.C. who is not allowed to go forth until the 1260, which is 30 days after the 1290, and 75 days after the 1335.


He does no such thing, he says the Last Three Trumpet Judgments are yet to be blown, and when they are blown they will be the Three Woes to come. They are Blown in Rev. 9 (Woes 1 & 2) and in Rev. 16, yes we see in Rev. 11 that the Two-witnesses LAST PRAYER will be answered, but the actual Judgments of the 3rd Woe can be seen in Rev. 16, the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe. We hear about the 2nd Woe in Rev. 11 also, but the actual 2nd Woe can only be seen in Rev. 9. This is how you conflate the timing.


Again, this is a Parenthetical Chapter, not a REAL TIME Chapter. It happens whilst God Wrath falls in Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 16.


That is NOT the 3rd Woe, that is just you conflating Satan's Anger and vitriol over a 1260 day period with the 3rd Woe, all the Three Woes are the Wrath of God, just like all 7 Trumps are. All God's Wrath comes from the 7 Trumps. The three Woes comes from three Trumps.


Yes, he chases the Woman (Israel) for 1260 days, you got one right. I do not think its called the Little Time in Rev. 12, you are (I think I could be wrong) talking about the A.C. in Rev. 6 via the Seals who rules a little season. (42 months)


You do not understand the 1335 Blessing at all. EVERYTHING CENTERS around the Middle of the week 1260 event.

I cannot understand your statements. Make a timeline chart showing the timeframe components of the seven years in Revelation and post it.

 

[Fisherking]

I did not say the 7 vials of God's wrath begin on day 1260. The seven vials of God's wrath will be "within" the time/times/half time that Satan will have left. When exactly during that time/times/half time, the first vial will be poured out is not known.

The 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe which comes when the 7th Trump is blown. IF..............you understood that the 1335 Blessing was the Two-witnesses and thus they show up 75 days before the middle of the week 1260 then you would KNOW when the 7th Trump sounds and when the 3rd Woe starts. That is why Gid gave us the Two-witnesses with 260 days and the Beast with 1260 days, so we can JUXTAPOSE the timelines by when the come and when they die. So, if both have 1260 day ordained by God offices on earth, then the Two-witnesses showing up 75 days before the Beast lets us know they must also "DIE" 75 days before the Beast dies. Its simple math. Thus we know when they DIE at the end of the 2nd woe in Rev. 11 and it says the 3rd Woe comes quickly, that from that time forward there is 75 days left. So, the 1st Vial that comes when the 7th Trump sounds, because the 3rd Woe starts, and the only reason the Two-witnesses have to die (they have Glorious Bodies) is to give us the TIMELINE. They can't "really be killed".

 

[Fisherking]

I cannot understand your statements. Make a timeline chart showing the timeframe components of the seven years in Revelation and post it.

Its simple math. You understand perfectly.

 

[pasifika]

I cannot understand your statements. Make a timeline chart showing the timeframe components of the seven years in Revelation and post it.




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Hi, have you consider the 1260 days to begin in middle of the 70th week of Daniel 9..

 

[Douggg]

The gospel is powerful. God made it as easy as He could for one to be saved. The parables explain why the gospel cannot drive Satan from the world. He was cast to earth when Jesus was crucified.

I agree that Satan roams the earth like a lion seeking who he can devour. 1Perter5:8

But cast to the earth - when Jesus was crucified? no. Satan is not cast down to earth until Revelation 12:7-9, in middle part of the 7 years in Revelation 12 - having just a time/times/half time remaining before being cast into the bottomless pit..

1260 days, Revelation 12:6 - the first half.
time/times/half time, Revelation 12:14 - essentially the second half

 

[Douggg]

Its simple math. You understand perfectly.

No, I don't understand you confusing communications.

Make a chart.

 

[Douggg]

Hi, have you consider the 1260 days to begin in middle of the 70th week of Daniel 9..

The way Daniel 9:27 is written in the kjv is "in the midst of the week". Which would be like saying "in the middle part of the week". Which gives some leeway, either side of the exact mid-point day of 1260.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


The 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 (corresponding to the 1260 days in Revelation 11:3) in the text of Revelation 12 come before the war in (the second) heaven, followed by the time/times/half time.

So, therefore, the beginning of the 1260 would be on day 1 of the 2520 day long 7 years.

1260 days + the war in heaven time (unspecified) + time/times/half time = 2520 days (7 years)

 

[Douggg]

The 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe which comes when the 7th Trump is blown

Copy and paste the text that states the 7 vials of God's wrath are "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" is found in only two places in Revelation. Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12.

WOE IN THE BIBLE

See 'woe' instances in the King James Version (KJV).

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

 

[Fisherking]

No, I don't understand you confusing communications.

Make a chart.

Try harder, Jesus needed no charts to simplify things.

Copy and paste the text that states the 7 vials of God's wrath are "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" is found in only two places in Revelation. Revelation 8:13 and Revelation 12:12.

Rev. 8:13 says the Three Trumps YET TO SOUND are the THREE WOES, its real simple my friend. Men overthink, over complicate that which is very simple.

Lets see, Woe #1 is Rev. 9 Woe #2 is Rev. 9 and Woe #3 is Rev. 6, as Rev. 15 says in the Vials that are to be poured out us filled up the Wrath of God, meaning it completes his Full Wrath.

 

[fli]

I agree that Satan roams the earth like a lion seeking who he can devour. 1Perter5:8

But cast to the earth - when Jesus was crucified? no. Satan is not cast down to earth until Revelation 12:7-9, in middle part of the 7 years in Revelation 12 - having just a time/times/half time remaining before being cast into the bottomless pit..

1260 days, Revelation 12:6 - the first half.
time/times/half time, Revelation 12:14 - essentially the second half

John 16:8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. NKJV


When Jesus obeyed the Father until death Satan was judged. He could no longer reside in heaven.


Revelation 12:13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. NKJV


Verse 14 the woman flew to her place in the wilderness.


Genesis 13:14 And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: "Lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are — northward, southward, eastward, and westward; 15 for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever. NKJV


There is only one place on earth where Israel's place is. During the first half of the tribulation, she will be nourished spiritually as she observes the Christian witnesses doing battle with Satan. Since Israels return to her land Michael has been protecting her. He will restrain the AC from sitting in the temple until the proper time.

 

[Douggg]

There is only one place on earth where Israel's place is. During the first half of the tribulation, she will be nourished spiritually as she observes the Christian witnesses doing battle with Satan. Since Israels return to her land Michael has been protecting her. He will restrain the AC from sitting in the temple until the proper time.

I agree that the two witnesses will be feeding the woman - Israel - the Word of God as they prophesy during the first half of the 70th week.

btw, I would not call the 70th week - the tribulation. But the 7 years instead (the 70th week). For most of the first half, the world will be saying "peace and safety", thinking it has entered the beginning of the messianic age.

During the 1260 days of the two witnesses, the last 75 days will be battling the beast-king, as the Jews begin fleeing to the mountains.

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Michael is a powerful angel who has been assigned to watch over Israel, in protection of her - I agree. But Michael is acting according to God direction to him, not on his own.

Jesus is the restrainer, because all power in heaven and in earth has been given to Jesus. Matthew 28:18

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Jesus will remove His hand from preventing the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.

 

[fli]

I agree that the two witnesses will be feeding the woman - Israel - the Word of God as they prophesy during the first half of the 70th week.

btw, I would not call the 70th week - the tribulation. But the 7 years instead (the 70th week). For most of the first half, the world will be saying "peace and safety", thinking it has entered the beginning of the messianic age.

During the 1260 days of the two witnesses, the last 75 days will be battling the beast-king, as the Jews begin fleeing to the mountains.

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Michael is a powerful angel who has been assigned to watch over Israel, in protection of her - I agree. But Michael is acting according to God direction to him, not on his own.

Jesus is the restrainer, because all power in heaven and in earth has been given to Jesus. Matthew 28:18

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Jesus will remove His hand from preventing the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.

Douggg glad to see you do not disagree with Satan being kicked out of heaven after Jesus was crucified.

I never said that Michael was an independent operator. He did not rebel and always does as ordered by God. All power was given to Jesus. That does not mean that He does every job Himself. He delegates authority to the angels.

Daniel 11:45 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book. NKJV

The above states that Michael is on the job of protecting Israel at the time she is delivered out of the time of great trouble.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. NKJV


The above to me means that Jesus will come very soon after the AC sits in the temple. Jesus will tell Michael to step aside and let the AC sit in the temple.


Romans 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." NKJV


Jesus will come and save all Israel.