Babylon of Revelation 17-18 was Jerusalem/unfaithful Israel

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2 Thess 2:4 definitely has a clear fulfillment contemporary with Paul. Paul says the event spoken of was already underway and happening:

2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way

Paul says that the son of perdition was being restrained from being revealed at the Temple at the time Paul wrote -- AND, they actually knew who it was that was restraining him. This MUST be past and cannot be future.


Read the following passages, then read Matt 24:29-31.

*cloud-comings of scripture*
Isa 19:1-2; Dan 7:13; 2 Sam 22:10-12; Ps 104:3; Nahum 1:3; Ex 34:5; Ps 97:1-2; Rev 14:14-20.

If you can demonstrate that these OT depictions of God's coming down to earth on the clouds, and Jesus Cloud coming in Revelation 14:14-20 were Physical, literal appearances of Jehovah (or Jesus in the case of Rev 14) upon Cumulus clouds of the earth's atmosphere, visible to the naked human eye and recoded in the annuls of history, then your interpretation of such for Matthew 24:29-31 may hold merit, otherwise You need to adjust your view of Matthew 24:29-31 to harmonize with all previous cloud comings of the Father, for it was in theFathers Glory that Christ said He would come. (and BTW, Revelation 14:14-20 is the same cloud coming as Matthew 24:29-31)


Yeas, each in His own order, for we all have an appointment with physical death, and after that, the judgement. (Hebrews 9:27)



I believe in a present and future eternal Kingdom... eternity stretches both directions, past and future.
Jesus Christ is presently Sitting on the Throne of David in Heaven and Ruling the Heavens and Earth. (Acts 2:29-32) The age of the everlasting Gospel is just that, everlasting.



Again, present and future, yes.

Am I corect to understand that if you believe in a future eternal lake of fire that you hold to ECP instead of Annhilation? That You believe Sin and sinners will exist forever there?
Your "Partial Preterist" in your eschatology.

I believe the latter day writing of Revelation 95-95AD, at church fathers Iranaeus 130-202AD quote of the book being written towards the end of Emperor Domitian's reign 81-96AD, this disproves the 70AD fulfillment of Revelation 11:2 fulfilling of the gentiles, Jerusalem being tread under foot.

Iranaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, Chapter XXX

I believe the "Second Advent" is seen clearly in Matthew 24:29-31

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

"They shall see the Son Of Man coming"

Preterism chooses 70AD fulfillment in the Great Tribulation" and disregards the very clear "Second Advent" in symbolic allegory, to make this teaching work.

Can't have a future second advent, that takes place immediately after a 70AD great tribulation.

As clearly shown, the Great Tribulation and Second Advent are future events.

We will disagree.
 
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Your "Partial Preterist" in your eschatology.

I believe the latter day writing of Revelation 95-95AD, at church fathers Iranaeus 130-202AD quote of the book being written towards the end of Emperor Domitian's reign 81-96AD, this disproves the 70AD fulfillment of Revelation 11:2 fulfilling of the gentiles, Jerusalem being tread under foot.

Well, It hardly Disproves anything.
As you mention, the Late Date THEORY (yes it is a theory, not a proven fact) rests on one single solitary quote from Iranaeus, who had many strage beliefs that I bet you do not agree with (that Jesus lived to be 50 years old is one of them) and the translation of His statement is hardly uniform or universally accepted. I'm sorry but I do not Hold His statement as "infallible" the way you seem to.

Indeed, the vast majority of Published scholars over the past 2000 years side with the Pre 70 Date for the book, as the internal evidence wholly supports.

I believe the "Second Advent" is seen clearly in Matthew 24:29-31

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

"They shall see the Son Of Man coming"

Again, The cloud-coming of Rev 1:7 that every eye was to see is cleary depicted by St. John in Rev 14:14-20 -- obviously not a physical/literal event.

Also, I have to continue to assert that those who think that seeing Christ's return must be a physical/literal incarnation of some kind are simply not reading the Old Testament. One can't hardly read five chapters of the Old Testamnent with out coming across a depiction of Yahweh showing up on earth and performing some event that is described as physical/literal (try Isa 34 or 2 Sam 22:8-16 for example). Or how about this TYPICAL statement:

Zechariah 9:13-14
When I have bent Judah for me, filled the bow with Ephraim, and raised up thy sons, O Zion, against thy sons, O Greece, and made thee as the sword of a mighty man. And JEHOVAH SHALL BE SEEN OVER THEM, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning:...

Yet Yahweh never did any of those things is a physical literal way. We are even told MANY times that all people would marvel at Yahweh's comings. This is jewish apocalyptic language and was the norm for how they understood and knew of God's appearings. It's only when we, who are thousands of years removed from this language and culture, apply fanciful modern interpretations that would have been completely foreign to the Prophets and Apostles, that our imaginations can lead us into such wild and erroneous conclusions, totally unrecognizable to the apostles, as you have done.
Can't have a future second advent, that takes place immediately after a 70AD great tribulation.

2000 years is immediately to God. An instant. A Blink of an eye.

We will disagree.

Yup.
 
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parousia70 said:
Without Question.

2 Thess 2:4 definitely has a clear fulfillment contemporary with Paul. Paul says the event spoken of was already underway and happening:
Your "Partial Preterist" in your eschatology.

I believe the latter day writing of Revelation 95-95AD, at church fathers Iranaeus 130-202AD quote of the book being written towards the end of Emperor Domitian's reign 81-96AD, this disproves the 70AD fulfillment of Revelation 11:2 fulfilling of the gentiles, Jerusalem being tread under foot.

We will disagree.
And your "futurism" in yours.

Even if it the book of Revelation was discovered a week ago, it doesn't change the fact that it still talks of past things.

Do you think Revelation 1:8 and 12:5 are still future?

BIRTH

Luke 2:
7 and she gave birth to her Firstborn, a Son.
She wrapped Him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.[Revelation 12:5?]

John 17:11
And not still I-am in the world, and these in the world are,
and I toward/proV <4314> Thee am coming......[Revelation 12:5]

ASCENSION

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a Son, a male, Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in rod/staff, iron.
And is caught-away the Child of her toward<4314> the God, and toward the throne of Him. [John 7:11

John 19:30
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!"
And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

AFTER DEATH AND ASCENSION

Revelation 1:18
and the living One!
And I became dead and behold! I am living into the ages of the ages.
And I am having the keys of the Hades and of the Death,
 
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You pretty much have it correct, but I would like to clarify something...

B.) She killed the prophets and saints
Revelation 18:24
And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

It's funny how you ignored the word 'All'.

All means all.

Every Man, Woman and Child that has ever lived, is living now or will live in the future.

She drank EVERYONE'S blood.

This means Mystery Babylon was around since Adam and Eve.

How can this be?

Now we add the missing puzzle...

Genesis 4:11
"And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand"


Who drank the blood of Abel?

Earth!

Thus, Earth is Mystery Babylon. Seven Mountains = Seven Continents, etc.

Now comes the 'fine print'...

matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

See how Jesus mentions Abel's blood? Remember, Earth drank it.

So what Jesus had done was to place the blame and sins of Mystery Babylon (Earth) onto Jerusalem.

There is actually deeper meaning here having to do with the Temple.

The Temple is the Body.

Jesus was comparing Earth to the Temple Body.

It had become corrupt.

It had become Mystery Babylon.
 
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It's funny how you ignored the word 'All'.

All means all.

Every Man, Woman and Child that has ever lived, is living now or will live in the future.

She drank EVERYONE'S blood.

This means Mystery Babylon was around since Adam and Eve.

How can this be?

Now we add the missing puzzle...

Genesis 4:11
"And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand"


Who drank the blood of Abel?

Earth!

Thus, Earth is Mystery Babylon. Seven Mountains = Seven Continents, etc.

Now comes the 'fine print'...
All is ALL but its much deeper than those simplistic pronouncements sir. The reason it was a Mystery (Secret by Gods silence) until the Angel told us he was going to reveal it unto us in Revelation 17:7, and then proceeded to in Rev. 17:8-18, is because the people of God drive it underground, whereas once it was out in the open, Shem killed Nimrod and cut him up in little pieces and sent him to the others in the region, making a statement that God was not going to put up with this idolatry, thus they moved their idolatry underground, they became "Secret Societies" which practiced in secret, as many do today. But eventually they became centered as a people in Babylon and a mighty power, but that was years later. Thus she is not the RCC, Islam, or any nations or cities, she is All False Religion of ALL TIME and her Harlotry has caused the death of all mankind, because in the end Satan is her leader, of course. Men adhering to God do not Murder other men, men adhering to Satan do murder, lie, cheat and steal of course.

Below is an explanation I gave to someone who thought the Harlot was the RCC. The explanation explains who she is altogether.

The Origins of the Mystery/Babylon Religion.

Mystery, - Babylon EXPLAINED as per the Religious side. Why would ANYONE follow a Church hierarchy that missed the Rapture? Its not happening brother. HINT: here is a little secret tidbit, I am not saying the RCC hierarchy can't be a part of the Harlot, as can other churches but I am saying the RCC is not THE HARLOT.

The Harlot has to stretch from the beginning of mankind till the end. The Clues mandate this, she has the blood of the Saints AND the Martyrs of Jesus on her hands. The RCC was not even around when all of the Saints were killed. The Harlot is Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Witchcraft, Voodoo, (Baal, Bel, Belios, Zeus and Jupiter are all the SAME God with a little different name hence the Throne of Satan was the Temple to Zeus in Pergamum). All of the Roman gods, all of the Babylonian gods and demi gods, all of the Egyptian gods are all the same.

The Mystery Religion of Ancient Babylon or Mesopotamia began post flood, and it is the beginning of paganism, all mankind had just been destroyed. This "Mystery Religion" has been told in many different stories via many religions, it consists of a lot of names of many different gods, but they are in affect all actually the same gods but just different cultures, different times, all the same stories and the explanation to what Mystery Babylon is in its simplest form is that it is simply polytheism and or paganism: WATCH THIS:

Polytheism is the belief in MANY GODS: The true knowledge or the goals of these gods were only given to the few. The high priests and priestess who passed down the religion.They required a sacrifice to the gods and they were the only ones that could commune with the gods. They held the secret knowledge which gave them power over the ones who did not have the knowledge. Well you get the point.

In Polytheism its always the same structure in most cultures, one man is god, one virgin woman who was the mother of god, and a son of the mother who was impregnated from the male god.

Paganism = Father god, Mother god and the Son of god.

Paganism came from the line of Ham via Cush see Genesis ch. 10. He created the rebellion against the real God via the Tower of Babel. They wanted to challenge the power of God. So God just confused their languages and put a stop to this nonsense, but Nimrod arose, he was a Mighty hunter and became leader of the Assyrian/Babylonian Empire. Nimrod began these Mystery Religions, but they spread all around the World hence MYSTERY BABYLON is world wide by the time the Angel explains it to us in Revelation chapter 17. Not quite as deep as I am going to explain it here, but nevertheless, we should be able to understand the Angel.

Nimrod = sun god
Semiramis = moon goddess, the mother and wife of Nimrord
Tammuz = the son of god.

The Ancient Babylonian god Nebo = Nabu = Nimrod = Ba'al this is the BIRTH of the Occult. It all leads back to Nimrod, and it even goes back further to Cain in reality. The MARK OF CAIN !!

So we have Nimrod the sun god, Semiramis the moon god and Tammuz the son of god. Nimrod communicated with the Spirit World of course. They preformed human sacrifices, he was seen as god, he challenged Gods authority. Now Shem, abhorred or hated these abominations and he killed Nimrod, cut him up in pieces and sent him to all the cities Nimrod ruled over to show that he was NOT GOD!! He wanted the people to stop doing what they were doing and to start worshiping and obeying God again. This threw a kink in Satan's plans. BUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT ?


Semiramis happened !! The Mother of Harlots. She was the wife of Cush and the mother of Nimrod, she claimed to be divinely born. She married Nimrod after Cush lost power, her own son. After Nimrod was killed she became pregnant and told everyone it was the "Spirit of Nimrod" that impregnated her. (LOL, LOL). She claimed she was having a "Virgin Birth" from the spirit of Nimrod.

Her son was going to be the Savior to defeat the serpent when in reality they were worshiping the serpent. She managed to get them to believe that Nimrod ascended to the sun, and she conceived via the sun rays. He was to now be worshiped as Baal, the Sun-god. She made herself a goddess and claimed that she was divinely created, she was in effect the moon-goddess. She had them believing she came from the moon in a giant moon egg.

The queen of Babylon aka Semiramis became known as the moon-goddess Ishtar. Tammuz was the Son of god or the Sun-god REBORN !! He was killed by a wild pig, Semiramis, now Ishtar stated that he ascended to the sun like his father and they now are a union. Semiramis/Ishtar continued on with her false religious worship and sacrifices, but because of Shem and their constant defeat by God they CHANGED TACTICS, what was once done out in the open would now be done IN SECRET. The Secret Societies so to speak. All of these dark practices would henceforth be done in the dark, it would become a MYSTERY, only completely revealed unto those that were WORTHY !! You know, the high priests and priestesses. Some say the Free Masons etc. etc.

So now you know what the MYSTERY RELIGION was/is. This is how it was Created. But alas, this Mystery Religion spread amongst all the ancient empires of Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Greece and Rome, this is what Paganism is. The stories may change, the name of the gods may change, but there are ALWAYS THREE CENTRAL FIGURES with a very specific structure.

The Father god who is the Sun-god.
The Mother god who is the Moon-goddess.
The Son of god who is the Sun-god REBORN.

Babylon had Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz.

Egypt had Ra, Isis and Horus.

Greece had Zeus, Artemis and Adonis

Rome had Jupiter, Dianna and Apollo.

The Nordic's had Odin, Joro and Thor.

The Hindu's had Vishnu, Chandra and Krishna

Satan seeks to confuse and deceive of course. He knew the SEED would bruise his heel (Die and be Resurrected) and thus bruise the Serpents head. So he knew there had to be a Virgin Birth and a death and resurrection to take away the sins of all mankind, so he set out to copy/imitate and deceive the masses with his MYSTERY RELIGION or with ALL FALSE RELIGION worldwide.

Now did the RCC crossover into some of these erroneous practices? I think they did, they treat Mary more akin to the moon-goddess hence the Madonna and the baby. But they did not introduced the bunny rabbits and eggs however, at least not in America, that seems to have arrived in America via a German tradition in the 1700's. German immigrants who settled in Pennsylvania and transported their tradition of an egg-laying hare called “Osterhase” or “Oschter Haws.” Their children made nests in which this creature could lay its colored eggs. So I think its more of a "European" thing, we in America took the MANY TRADITIONS of the many cultures who migrated here and kind of mixed them all into one bag, the bad and the good. But they did not all come from the RCC. More or less most of these practices are from IGNORANCE, not from people actually seeking to worship false gods, and with God, He looks at our hearts intent.

So whenever you see a male god and a female god at the head of the hierarchy and there is a "Virgin Birth" you know this is MYSTERY BABYLON , even if there are 100's of other gods, these three are always at the Head or at the Hierarchy of the MYSTERY BABYLON Religion. Have some of these traditions creeped into the RCC? Well, maybe, but the RCC is not the Great Harlot nor can it be. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGIONS of ALL TIME and it was Birthed by Nimrod in Babylon.
 
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You pretty much have it correct, but I would like to clarify something...



It's funny how you ignored the word 'All'.

All means all.

Every Man, Woman and Child that has ever lived, is living now or will live in the future.

She drank EVERYONE'S blood.

This means Mystery Babylon was around since Adam and Eve.

How can this be?

Now we add the missing puzzle...

Genesis 4:11
"And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand"


Who drank the blood of Abel?

Earth!

Thus, Earth is Mystery Babylon. Seven Mountains = Seven Continents, etc.

Now comes the 'fine print'...



See how Jesus mentions Abel's blood? Remember, Earth drank it.

So what Jesus had done was to place the blame and sins of Mystery Babylon (Earth) onto Jerusalem.

There is actually deeper meaning here having to do with the Temple.

The Temple is the Body.

Jesus was comparing Earth to the Temple Body.

It had become corrupt.

It had become Mystery Babylon.
I agree that Jerusalem is not Babylon the Great. But neither is the earth.

Babylon is fallen is fallen is talking about Satan and his angels being cast down to earth. Babylon the Great is Satan's invisible kingdom overshadowing the earth. The dismantling of Satan's kingdom and dominion over the earth, is what the destruction of Babylon the Great is about.

The influence of Satan's kingdom is all over the earth, I can agree to that - if you wanted to repackage some of your thoughts about it.
 
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The influence of Satan's kingdom is all over the earth, I can agree to that - if you wanted to repackage some of your thoughts about it.
Hi Douggg.

Just my opinion, but I believe that when Mystery Babylon is destroyed, the entire Earth is destroyed... not just a single city. Maybe that matches your research?

Something like this...

Revelation 18:8
"Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her"


She (Earth) is burned with fire, thus all Mankind is destroyed along with Her.

But wait!

There seems to be some survivors...

Revelation 18:9
"And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning"


There are Kings watching Her burn... how can this be?

The next verse explains...

Revelation 18:10
"Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come"


These Kings were standing "afar off".

How? I thought all the land was burned to a crisp?

Revelation 18:17
"For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off"


They were on Ships on the Sea!

They think they can get away from God's wrath by taking to the Sea, but God has plans for them...

Revelation 18:21
"And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all"


So the Mighty Angel casts the stone into the sea which destroys the survivors standing 'afar off' in ships.

It is at this point I believe all Human life is extinguished.

Again, not just a single City or Nation.
 
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Just my opinion, but I believe that when Mystery Babylon is destroyed, the entire Earth is destroyed... not just a single city. Maybe that matches your research?
Mike, I am going to agree with you that it is not a single earthly city. And the impact of Mystery Babylon the great is worldwide and history wide.

I don't see Revelation 18 in the same way that you do - in trying to match it up with a description of the earth, although I agree with the principles of impact Satan's kingdom has made to earthly kingdoms.

In recent years, I have altered my view about Revelation 18.

I now view Revelation 18 is that Satan's mystical kingdom Babylon the Great - when it is getting dismantled and demolished - is being like "likened" to a great trading city being destroyed. And Revelation 18 goes into details of what it will be like. It is not an actual city, like, NYC, Rome, etc.

Satan's kingdom has been around since the beginning of man - but when the 7th trumpet sounds that is the go signal for Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth. It is God's mystery of bringing the Kingdom of God here to earth in Revelation 10, to be the ruling Kingdom over all earthly kingdoms (Daniel 2:44). It requires that Satan's kingdom be destroyed.

Satan's kingdom will begin its fall in a single day, although it actually does not say in Revelation 12:7-9 how much earth time passes as the war takes place.
 
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Hi Douggg.

Just my opinion, but I believe that when Mystery Babylon is destroyed, the entire Earth is destroyed... not just a single city. Maybe that matches your research?

Something like this...

Revelation 18:8
"Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her"


She (Earth) is burned with fire, thus all Mankind is destroyed along with Her.

But wait!

There seems to be some survivors...

Revelation 18:9
"And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning"


There are Kings watching Her burn... how can this be?

The next verse explains...

Revelation 18:10
"Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come"


These Kings were standing "afar off".

How? I thought all the land was burned to a crisp?

Revelation 18:17
"For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off"


They were on Ships on the Sea!

They think they can get away from God's wrath by taking to the Sea, but God has plans for them...

Revelation 18:21
"And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all"


So the Mighty Angel casts the stone into the sea which destroys the survivors standing 'afar off' in ships.

It is at this point I believe all Human life is extinguished.

Again, not just a single City or Nation.
Hello again brother, i was going to differentiate the Harlot and Babylon but the other post got a bit long with that copy & paste of an old post of mine.

Mystery Babylon was revealed therefore its not a Mystery anymore. It was the Harlot False Religions mingled with "Governments" who likewise were against God hence they are False Governments in essence.

So the Harlot = All False Religions of ALL TIME but she is KILLED OFF in Rev. 17:7 by the Kings in league with the Beast so she is no more. Point being, there is one for only ONE RELIGION with the Beast and that is hum being worshiped as the ONLY GOD, thus Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. etc. has to all be wiped out, hence the 1/4 of Mankind that gets killed during the Seals !!

And thus Babylon = False Governance under Satan. Remember what Satan told Jesus in Luke 4, if you will bow down and worship me all of this will be yours, because IT HAS BEEN GIVEN UNTO ME, and I do as I will with it. So Satan is over this WHOLE WORLD which = Babylon.

Thus Rev. 18 is Babylon (Whole World) getting his with Gods Wrath, the Seals, Trumpets and Vials.

That is why her commerce is destroyed. Lets go over it. In the Seals 1/4 of mankind (1.5 to 2 billion people) are killed off, that hurts Commerce no doubt. Then you have the 6th Seal where there is a Great Earthquake, stars falling to earth and the sun and moon give not their light.

Then the Trumpets Sound and all the grasses burn, 1/3 of the tress, 1/3 of the ships are destroyed, 1/3 pf the seas are turned to blood, 1/3 of the sea creatures die (Shrimp/fish), then 1/3 of the drinking waters are poisoned, ALL OF THESE are bad for commerce. Then the Three Woes. The 1st Woe = a Demonic horde that maims and tortures for 5 months, an Angelic Army that slays 1/3 of all remaining Mankind, again that's probably at least 1.5 Billion people, and its the 2nd Woe. So after the Rapture of at least (1) one Billion Christians we have 3 to 3.5 Billion people dead before the Final Woe even hits, that is very BAD ON THE COMMERCE !! Of course, all the Plagues of God or the Wrath of God are just as bad if not worse on the economy.

The final Trumpet sounds, its the 3rd Woe which = All Seven Vials. They are more violent Wrath per God than the Seals and Trumpets. All the waters are poisoned, all the sea creatures die, etc. etc. We then eventually get the Armageddon Battle where Jesus lands on Mt. Zion, destroys his foes by speaking victory, and all the Wicked perish, to be bundled into the Grave to await their Judgment in 1000 Years when they will be burned(they are the TARES). Israel are the WHEAT, they remain on earth, the Church is Raptured beforehand.

Notice the difference in the Harlot and Babylon (Whole World). The Harlot is HATED by the Kings by the SAME KINGS Cry and Lament when Babylon (World/Cities/Nations) are being destroyed !! They are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, the Harlot RIDES the Beasts back.

In Rev. 18:10 & 18:17 is states that in ONE HOUR Babylon (the whole world) is Judged, but God uses metaphors, what does ONE HOUR mean ? Well how long do the Kings in Rev. 17 Rule with the Beast ? ONE HOUR !!

Rev. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

How long does the Beast rule ? 42 Months !! So the Kings are around for 42 Months also, and since Babylon = the Whole Worlds Governance under Satan, his Beast and 10 Kings, thus the Judgment of Babylon = 42 Months which is the Day of the Lord.

In verse 4 God calls Israel (repented Israel) to come out of her (Babylon/World) lest they receive of her plagues and how long are Israel PROTECTED by God in the Wilderness? 1260 Days/42 Months.

Rev. 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

So we have clues all around is, we just have to put them together.
 
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Mystery Babylon was revealed therefore its not a Mystery anymore. It was the Harlot False Religions mingled with "Governments" who likewise were against God hence they are False Governments in essence.
With whom did the false religions begin - Nimrod or Abaddon? Which of those two would likely be the beast currently in the bottomless pit?

Was Semiramis (with whom the Tammuz legend started) the wife of Nimrod or Abaddon?


So we have clues all around is, we just have to put them together.

Ezekiel 8:14
Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
 
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With whom did the false religions begin - Nimrod or Abaddon? Which of those two would likely be the beast currently in the bottomless pit?
Abaddon is Apollyon, a Demon, he Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17, hes in the pit thus hes WAS he IS NOT and yet he IS/ Whereas Nimrod is/was just a man.

Was Semiramis (with whom the Tammuz legend started) the wife of Nimrod or Abaddon?

She was the MOTHER & Wife of Nimrod.

Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Good find, these clues are all throughout the bible. We know Israel loved to serve these false gods they could see, in high places.
 
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Looking at the title of this thread...

Babylon of Revelation 17-18 was Jerusalem/unfaithful Israel

If Jerusalem Truly is Mystery Babylon, then what is New Jerusalem but old Jerusalem raised from the dead and born again incorruptible?

Saved by the Love of God...

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Abaddon is Apollyon, a Demon, he Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17, hes in the pit thus hes WAS he IS NOT and yet he IS/ Whereas Nimrod is/was just a man.
But which one is more likely to have started all the false religions element that you are saying is Mystery Babylon? Nimrod or Abaddon? worshiping Tammuz was a false religion.

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Mystery Babylon was revealed therefore its not a Mystery anymore. It was the Harlot False Religions mingled with "Governments" who likewise were against God hence they are False Governments in essence.
 
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But which one is more likely to have started all the false religions element that you are saying is Mystery Babylon? Nimrod or Abaddon? worshiping Tammuz was false religion.

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Mystery Babylon was revealed therefore its not a Mystery anymore. It was the Harlot False Religions mingled with "Governments" who likewise were against God hence they are False Governments in essence.
Apollyon is not a Man, but both Satan and Apollyon rebelled in Heaven. But only men can Worship False gods, Apollyon and Satan can DESIRE this false worship all they want, but unless men fall weak to this seduction then their hearts desire matters not. If Adam & Eve had never listened unto Satan than mankind might have never fallen.

So Nimrod or mostly Semiramis started this False Religion. Its mostly the Woman, Semiramis to be honest. Nimrod and Tammuz died early in life. That's why its called a Harlot.
 
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Who is the woman on the beast in Revelation 17-18?
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The woman is the great city
Revelation 17:18
And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”
Perhaps apostate 1st century Jerusalem riding on the beast of Rome?

Remember this infamous statement the corrupt Judean rulers exclaimed in John 19:15?
The would end up eating those words 40yrs later in 70ad........

John 19:12

12 From then on Pilate sought to release Him, but the Jews cried out, saying, “If you let this Man go, you are not Caesar's friend. Whoever makes himself a king speaks against Caesar.”
15 But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?”
The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

Matthew 23:35
And so upon ye will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah,
whom you murdered between the Sanctuary and the altar.
Matthew 24:34
Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away this generation, till ever all these may be becoming.

Luke 11:
50 so that this generation may be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world
51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the Sanctuary.
Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.
Luke 21:32
“Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away this generation till ever all things may be becoming.

Revelation 18:24
“And in Her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”
 
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Looking at the title of this thread...
Babylon of Revelation 17-18 was Jerusalem/unfaithful Israel
If Jerusalem Truly is Mystery Babylon, then what is New Jerusalem but old Jerusalem raised from the dead and born again incorruptible?
Saved by the Love of God...
That's a nice spin on it............

Gala 4:24 which things are allegorized, for these are the two covenants: one, indeed, from Mount Sinai, to servitude bringing forth, which is Hagar; 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and doth correspond to the Jerusalem that now [is], and is in servitude with her children, 26 and the Jerusalem above is the free-woman, which is mother of us all,

Hebrews 12:
22 But ye have come toward Zion, to a Mountain and City of God, a living Jerusalem
and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable multitudes of angels,
23 to the general assembly and assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better than that of Abel.

Revelation 14:1 And I look, and behold! a Lambkin having stood upon the mount Zion, and with Him an hundred forty-four thousand,
 
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