Babylon of Revelation 17-18 was Jerusalem/unfaithful Israel

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Who is the woman on the beast in Revelation 17-18?
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The woman is the great city
Revelation 17:18
And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

A.)the great city is Jerusalem
Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified.

B.) Peter states that the church in Jerusalem, is in Babylon.
1 Peter 5:13
She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings, and so does Mark, my son.
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Punishment for the woman in Revelation 17-18

A.)God uses the beast and 10 horns to desolate the woman, who is unfaithful Jerusalem.
Revelation 17:16-17
And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute. They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
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Why was the woman punished?

A.) she killed the saint of Jesus
Revelation 17:6
could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and of the witnesses for Jesus. And I was greatly astonished at the sight of her.

B.) She killed the prophets and saints
Revelation 18:24
And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

C.) Her sins were piled to heaven
Revelation 18:5
For her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

D.) She had been immoral with other nations
Revelation 18:3
All the nations have drunkc the wine of the passion of her immorality.
The kings of the earth were immoral with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy through the extravagance of her luxury.”
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When did her punishment occur?

When Jesus said it would, on the generation of his audience:

matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Revelation 18:24
And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.
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The woman was unfaithful Jerusalem (israel), who was made desolate by the roman armies because of all the righteous blood it had spilled.

 

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Every politic leader has to bow to pope , so that "woman" commit fornication in sense of sold herself to other pagan Gods like in this picture .

Pope Kiss Quran
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Israel fornicated with many nations. This is seen clearly throughout the OT

Hosea 1:2
When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take to yourself a wife of whoredom and have children of whoredom, for the land commits great whoredom by forsaking the LORD.”
 
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Israel fornicated with many nations. This is seen clearly throughout the OT

Hosea 1:2
When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take to yourself a wife of whoredom and have children of whoredom, for the land commits great whoredom by forsaking the LORD.”

That's why this passage is not about Israel because God alredy punished them by scattering them and destroying thier Temple 70 A.D
 
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The passage (revelation 17-18) is a prediction of 70ad
Wrong , So Wrong The Book of the Revelation was not even written until 26 years AFTER 70 A.D. ,
Jesus spoke of that in the Olivet discourse before he ascended into heaven
 
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Who is the woman on the beast in Revelation 17-18?
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The woman is the great city
Revelation 17:18
And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

A.)the great city is Jerusalem
Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city—figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where their Lord was also crucified.

B.) Peter states that the church in Jerusalem, is in Babylon.
1 Peter 5:13
She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings, and so does Mark, my son.
________________________________________________________________
Punishment for the woman in Revelation 17-18

A.)God uses the beast and 10 horns to desolate the woman, who is unfaithful Jerusalem.
Revelation 17:16-17
And the ten horns and the beast that you saw will hate the prostitute. They will leave her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by uniting to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.
________________________________________________________________________
Why was the woman punished?

A.) she killed the saint of Jesus
Revelation 17:6
could see that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and of the witnesses for Jesus. And I was greatly astonished at the sight of her.

B.) She killed the prophets and saints
Revelation 18:24
And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

C.) Her sins were piled to heaven
Revelation 18:5
For her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

D.) She had been immoral with other nations
Revelation 18:3
All the nations have drunkc the wine of the passion of her immorality.
The kings of the earth were immoral with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy through the extravagance of her luxury.”
_________________________________________________________________________

When did her punishment occur?

When Jesus said it would, on the generation of his audience:

matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Revelation 18:24
And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.
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The woman was unfaithful Jerusalem (israel), who was made desolate by the roman armies because of all the righteous blood it had spilled.

I agree. Jerusalem is the only place it could be if you look at the facts. Thank you for putting it plainly.
 
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Wrong , So Wrong The Book of the Revelation was not even written until 26 years AFTER 70 A.D. ,
Jesus spoke of that in the Olivet discourse before he ascended into heaven

Well, some theologians date it well before 70AD!
 
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Sorry, no.
That story was made up and circulated in ways you wouldn't even believe today.
what proof have you ? There are writings that have the book written from 70 - 96 so it would be determined by which you prefer to believe
 
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As said there various books written that each has their own view of when it was written

I believe in the earlier date as it ties in with what happened in 70AD to what was written. I honestly see no other explanation and I have looked at it quite a bit.
 
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I believe in the earlier date as it ties in with what happened in 70AD to what was written. I honestly see no other explanation and I have looked at it quite a bit.
Amen. Very good.

One explanation for the great discrepancies among others is this: (excerpts from a study online) >>

"And yet, when we look at the general scope of the book which will be given later on, how
wonderous it is! How Divinely perfect! And, at the same time, how simple and easy! So simple
that a child can become interested in it, and the humblest saint understand it."
vs many others >>
"When God has placed the key to the book at the very threshold, in the first chapter, man
deliberately ignores it, and makes another, which he presents to those who would fain enter; but,
when it is tried, it is found that none of the wards fit the lock, and the door either has to be
forced, or all hope of entrance abandoned!"
 
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