Texas school board debates 'pro-Islamic' bias in textbooks

laconicstudent · Oct 1, 2010

keith99 said:
So it seems we already have evidence of Christians building Churches out of skulls and bones, something that Muslims were accudes of without any supporting evidence.

Anyone think we ever will see any evidence of that claim?

Actually, I'd like to see some sort of supporting link for the church built out of bones first just to prove that it isn't some sensationalist hoax.

It sounds familiar though.

Skaloop · Oct 1, 2010

laconicstudent said:
Actually, I'd like to see some sort of supporting link for the church built out of bones first just to prove that it isn't some sensationalist hoax.

It sounds familiar though.

Well, if the pics weren't enough, here's a link:

Italy: the dark side, The Capuchini Bone Chapel in Rome

laconicstudent · Oct 1, 2010

Skaloop said:
Well, if the pics weren't enough, here's a link:

Italy: the dark side, The Capuchini Bone Chapel in Rome

Ah yes, I read about this once.

But really, personally, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with using bone as building material.

ACougar · Oct 1, 2010

The point was that instead of attempting to demonize people of another faith, you should do unto others as you would want them to do unto you. If someone really wanted to demonize Christianity (I don't think anyone here really wants to do that) it would be quiet easy.

laconicstudent said:
Ah yes, I read about this once.

But really, personally, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with using bone as building material.

soblessed53 · Oct 1, 2010

keith99 said:
Snopes made a very clear statement 'Not Quite' and then went on to explain in detail how there is a grain of truth, students are beign taught the place of Islam in world history and how the rest of the claims are basically outright lies.

I urge readers of this thread to follow the link and see for themselfs.

themselfs",LOL!

Green in your post = BOLOGNA!

Yes, read the paragraph where it starts "Does It Present Muslims in a positive light and Christians in a negative one" to see that it most certainly does! :doh:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/islam.asp

Gishin · Oct 1, 2010

And here I thought you hated political correctness.

Phinehas2 · Oct 4, 2010

ACougar,

The point was that instead of attempting to demonize people of another faith, you should do unto others as you would want them to do unto you.

The point is the only people who could be demonizing people of any faith is the likes of yourself who are the only ones referring to it. We are not demonizing Muslims, Demons are not people, the demonic is what influences people, our battle as disciples of Christ is not against flesh and blood but against dark spiritual forces which doubt the word of God. Islam does this, but Jesus Chist died for all people so that they may come to know the truth, that applies to Muslims now as much as it applied to Jews, Samaritans and Greeks and Romans in the NT times.

Polycarp1 · Oct 4, 2010

Phinehas2 said:
ACougar,
The point is the only people who could be demonizing people of any faith is the likes of yourself who are the only ones referring to it. We are not demonizing Muslims, Demons are not people, the demonic is what influences people, our battle as disciples of Christ is not against flesh and blood but against dark spiritual forces which doubt the word of God. Islam does this, but Jesus Chist died for all people so that they may come to know the truth, that applies to Muslims now as much as it applied to Jews, Samaritans and Greeks and Romans in the NT times.

My foot we are! You are the first person to actively bring up those dark supernatural forces, so to claim that they are the object of people's hatred is disingenuous. Maybe they ought to be -- on that we might have common ground -- but a wide variety of posts above condemned as evil and anti-God not the supernatural forces behind Islam, but Muslims, all Muslims, root and branch.

Besides which, it's a common ploy of some debaters to take a metaphorical use like "demonize" as literal and attempt to derail debate.

ACougar · Oct 4, 2010

This angle of the conversation was started by Interpreter who stated:

Muslims like to build mosques made out of the skulls of Christians killed in battle and beheaded.

So what Demon are we dealing with here? The demon of making things up so that another group of people (Muslims) appear less human? That is actually a very old demon, conservative Christians really need to be on the look out for that one.

Phinehas2 said:
ACougar,
The point is the only people who could be demonizing people of any faith is the likes of yourself who are the only ones referring to it. We are not demonizing Muslims, Demons are not people, the demonic is what influences people, our battle as disciples of Christ is not against flesh and blood but against dark spiritual forces which doubt the word of God. Islam does this, but Jesus Chist died for all people so that they may come to know the truth, that applies to Muslims now as much as it applied to Jews, Samaritans and Greeks and Romans in the NT times.

Phinehas2 · Oct 4, 2010

Polycarp1 and ACougar,
I accept your point, though for me the issue is about Islam and not Muslims and the responses I get are about Muslims or Christians.

PreachersWife2004 · Oct 4, 2010

soblessed53 said:
themselfs",LOL!

Green in your post = BOLOGNA!

Yes, read the paragraph where it starts "Does It Present Muslims in a positive light and Christians in a negative one" to see that it most certainly does!

snopes.com: Islam Studies in California Schools

while the claims are not necessarily outright lies, they certainly are inflated.

The snopes article goes on to explain why these claims are inflated AND it says that some argue that Christianity is presented in a negative light... Barbara does not necessarily agree with that assertion.

I just finished a Women in US History class where some of the negative aspects of Christianity were taught. It was not fun to read about what people did in the name of Christianity to Native Americans or African Americans. At the same time, it IS history.

All this thread has shown me is that it is very easy for someone to take the statements of another, put the most negative spin on it, and suddenly come up with a headline such as "Public Schools embrace Islam".

Supreme · Oct 4, 2010

PreachersWife2004 said:
while the claims are not necessarily outright lies, they certainly are inflated.

The snopes article goes on to explain why these claims are inflated AND it says that some argue that Christianity is presented in a negative light... Barbara does not necessarily agree with that assertion.

I just finished a Women in US History class where some of the negative aspects of Christianity were taught. It was not fun to read about what people did in the name of Christianity to Native Americans or African Americans. At the same time, it IS history.

All this thread has shown me is that it is very easy for someone to take the statements of another, put the most negative spin on it, and suddenly come up with a headline such as "Public Schools embrace Islam".

Exactly! A book that discusses the Crusades in a negative light is not attacking Christianity, or endorsing Islam. The Crusades were tragedic- as a matter of fact, they were very bad for Christianity, as it resulted in Catholics killing Orthodox, a schism in the church that has not been repaired to this day, and the pretext for the poor relations with the Muslim world we are still facing the consequences with in the West today. That isn't bias, that's historical fact- and if one cannot deal with it, then one shouldn't be reading up history anyway.

DaisyDay · Oct 4, 2010

laconicstudent said:
Actually, I'd like to see some sort of supporting link for the church built out of bones first just to prove that it isn't some sensationalist hoax.

It sounds familiar though.

This one is in Portugal linkie.

soblessed53 · Oct 6, 2010

Originally Posted by PreachersWife2004

All this thread has shown me is that it is very easy for someone to take the statements of another, put the most negative spin on it, and suddenly come up with a headline such as "Public Schools embrace Islam".

Hmmm, I don't see THAT headline anywhere,where is it,or is THAT statement,an example of spin?

Gishin · Oct 6, 2010

Or is that statement a spin of her statement?

PreachersWife2004 · Oct 6, 2010

soblessed53 said:
Originally Posted by PreachersWife2004

Hmmm, I don't see THAT headline anywhere,where is it,or is THAT statement,an example of spin?

Oh goodness...that was the headline that prompted the snopes article!

I figured that since you obviously read snopes' opinion on it that you would've caught that! My bad.

Yusuf Evans · Oct 7, 2010

There was a recent Pew research poll done, concerning American's knowledge of religion period. It's pretty safe to state that Islam is not pushed on school kids or others in educational institutions.

BTW, there is only one Islamic College in the United States and it just opened up. Now can someone tell me that if Islam is being pushed upon kids, how come Americans are so ignorant about Islam and Muslims?

Phinehas2 · Oct 7, 2010

Supreme

Exactly! A book that discusses the Crusades in a negative light is not attacking Christianity, or endorsing Islam. The Crusades were tragedic- as a matter of fact, they were very bad for Christianity, as it resulted in Catholics killing Orthodox, a schism in the church that has not been repaired to this day, and the pretext for the poor relations with the Muslim world we are still facing the consequences with in the West today. That isn't bias, that's historical fact- and if one cannot deal with it, then one shouldn't be reading up history anyway.

Firstly the issue concerning the crusades is that it should not be linked only to Christianity, that’s bias as the crusaders were only violently evicting the violent invaders. No liberal has yet admitted that fact but seem determined to gloss over it. whilst the bias remains; the very thing Texas are trying to stop thankfully.

Secondly, it was not conflict with Christians that Mohammed had in Medina, but conflict with Jews and it was military campaigns against Jewish and Arabic tribes that Mohammed instigated long before the crusades. Also long before the crusades are the Quran verses about slaying the unbelievers, which includes the Christians and Jews described as turned into monkeys and pigs, Yes the crusades are a pretext for bad relations.

Yusuf Evans · Oct 7, 2010

Phinehas2 said:
*snip*

How do you explain the Inquisition? The rape and murders of Native Americans? The Salem Witch Burnings?

Phinehas2 · Oct 7, 2010

Eazy E,

How do you explain the Inquisition? The rape and murders of Native Americans? The Salem Witch Burnings?

Neither Jesus Christ nor His disciples practiced such things and Jesus taught not to. So I cant explain them, nor the crusades, are you sure they weren't just merely calling themselves Christians? But can you be surprised about Islam's role in the crusades when Mohammed arranged military campaigns himself and the Quran says slay the unbeliever?

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