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It's not right around the corner any more, it's happening now--and we are the only modern industrial country which is "delaying."
It's always been happening now. But there's always also been a supposed point of no return that keeps getting pushed back. Delaying what exactly? What have the other countries done that the US hasn't?
 
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It's always been happening now. But there's always also been a supposed point of no return that keeps getting pushed back. Delaying what exactly?
It's still happening now and getting worse. Have you tried buying homeowner's insurance in Florida lately?
 
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It's still happening now and getting worse. Have you tried buying homeowner's insurance in Florida lately?
Look into the Florida Land Bubble and what made it pop. A neighbor remembered wealthy relations investing heavily in the land boom and driving down in a car. After the bubble popped, he remembered them walking back with only the clothes on their backs.
 
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It's still happening now and getting worse. Have you tried buying homeowner's insurance in Florida lately?
Ah so the insurance companies are getting in on it too. Because Florida had a hurricane. What's next, tornados in Tornado Alley?
 
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Look into the Florida Land Bubble and what made it pop. A neighbor remembered wealthy relations investing heavily in the land boom and driving down in a car. After the bubble popped, he remembered them walking back with only the clothes on their backs.

Isn't there a term for that: "Buying swampland in Florida"?
 
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Well, they were duking it out.
Dishonestly though? Honesty is still the best policy, even while duking it out, eh? Rare to see though , too. When the actors and the rules permit, and a conversation involves duking it out with someone in open forum, it is not difficult to finally get to the truth about the motives/motivation/agenda , to bring all out in to the light, and silence the wrong-doers; however, most (almost all?) posters do not want that kind of exposure, and the rules prevent getting to the truth....... actually it also is , as God Orchestrates, a kind of safety net , to protect naive/ innocents from overwhelming opposition , mis-used power ..... ?
 
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Some deny AGW, some make fun of it, but I still don't see a reason for it. What's wrong with taking steps to mitigate it? Why do you have to pretend it isn't happening?

Maybe we're too busy trying to save the whales?
 
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Why delay what? This has been going on for over 50 years. In 1992 there was a girl just like Greta Thunberg addressing the UN about how horrible things will be when she becomes an adult. She might be a grandmother by now. So no, I don't think it's that much of a problem, because I've been hearing it's a drastic problem right around the corner, ever since I was a child back in the 70s.
You use terms that are so vague it sounds like magic handwaving.

It's almost like Donald Trump saying "Some people say..." (and then insert whatever opinion you want!)

So in reply, I'll explain in your terms.

Those scientists in the 1970 were right about your "drastic problem", everybody says so.

Some people say they deserve rewards of the bigly kind. Anyone who disagrees is a nasty person.

Everything's clear. You're welcome. ;)
 
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Meanwhile NSW is about to experience record-breaking heat for October today.

So even hot places have records, and those records are breaking.

In the bigly hot direction, which is positive in the negativist direction!

(Just translating into Trump-ese for those who only speak MAGA.)

Senior meteorologist Miriam Bradbury said temperatures were tipped to reach close to 40 degrees Celsius across large parts of NSW.​
"We may potentially see some of the warmest October days on record and new records set in the broader Sydney metro area if we see those high temperatures reaching into those high 30s," she said.

 
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Why delay what? This has been going on for over 50 years. In 1992 there was a girl just like Greta Thunberg addressing the UN about how horrible things will be when she becomes an adult. She might be a grandmother by now. So no, I don't think it's that much of a problem, because I've been hearing it's a drastic problem right around the corner, ever since I was a child back in the 70s.
So how much of a problem would it need to be before you think taking corrective action is called for? A mass extinction event in full swing? Crop failure the world over? Mass deforestation? What's the threshold?
 
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Isn't there a term for that: "Buying swampland in Florida"?
Maybe. It was a huge boom that went bust right before the Great Depression. I think the neighbor's relatives were wiped out after the Lake Okeechobee Hurricane. That one claimed over 2,500 lives. At the start of the boom, no one gave much thought to hurricanes. They did after it was over.
 
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Maybe. It was a huge boom that went bust right before the Great Depression. I think the neighbor's relatives were wiped out after the Lake Okeechobee Hurricane. That one claimed over 2,500 lives. At the start of the boom, no one gave much thought to hurricanes. They did after it was over.
And they're doing it again without much thought to hurricanes. So let's say the AGW alarmists are right, and hurricanes are going to become, on average, stronger and more numerous. There will be a lot of property and infrastructure damage that must be repaired, over and above whatever emergency and short term aid is provided. Hurricane damage is already costing us 150 billion per year and the curve is said to be rising rapidly. That's a lot of money. Diverting it from more productive use slows the economy; just a little, but then there are the wildfires out west to think of--how many billions is that going to cost us? Yes they were foolish to build there may be but the bill is due, and in the end it will come out of our pockets. Sea level rise a little bit? No big thing? But every year the wave damage comes a little farther inland. I don't know if you saw on the news the last hurricane that came close to us in NC, but there was lurid footage of beach houses being swept into the sea. The thing is, those houses were already abandoned due to the waves gradually coming farther up the beach. More money for remediation. AGW is going to start costing us more money than we can afford. For us, that's the armageddan
 
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Meanwhile NSW is about to experience record-breaking heat for October today.
How long have these records been kept?

Let's see...NSW...New South Wales... Yamba Pilot Station data goes back to 1922. I found a year of 1889 but not where in New South Wales or any specifics. Also found where Sydney, New South Wales, hit 39.1 C (that's 102.4 F for us Americans). On October 25, 2019, it hit 38.2 C (100.8 F), It hit 38.2 C on October 4, 1942. Sydney, New South Wales, hit 38 C on October 21, 2025. That's 100.4 F.

Bourke Airport hit 44.8 C (112.6 F) on October 21, 2025. A place called Brewarrinna hit 43.9 C (111.0 F) on October 31, 1919. All Brouke Airport has to do now is to hit 44.9 C in October to break the record it set on October 21. Just one tenth of a degree C. That's not quite two tenths of a degree F.
 
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costing us more money than we can afford. For us, that's the armageddan
historically, the world church/babylon incognito/ planned bankrupting all the towns, cities, countries, and people long (centuries) ago; every year, every day, all the way.
 
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Hi all,

I have some homework for you!


Johan Rockström’s climate presentation is fantastic. While himself a systems ecologist, he is great at summarising the work of his team and the IPCC findings. It's a big picture summary - but has a great breakdown of the direction of climate science. Watch this 18 minutes summary of his team’s findings. You might want a screen shot of some of his diagrams to work through later.

Then - because he is so good - bookmark this for 6 months later.
Watch this 40 minute presentation - including Q&A at the end.

We REALLY ARE in a very dangerous place.

And as he says "buckle up".​

Because we ARE going over 1.5!


I just hope the anti-science MAGA movement dies across the next decade as the USA starts to experience more and more climate impacts.
Then the whole world can galvanize around the important mitigation and adaption and climate RESTORATION work we’ll need to do to sequester CO2 in trees and biochar and the oceans!

However, if Johan is a bit 'dry' and technical - there's always the eccentric and amusing Climate Adam. "They" have a Phd in Atmospheric Physics. Here is his 1.5 playlist.

 
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So how much of a problem would it need to be before you think taking corrective action is called for? A mass extinction event in full swing? Crop failure the world over? Mass deforestation? What's the threshold?
There hasn't really been a significant change anywhere. Very hot places getting a heatwave, places where hurricanes happen all the time getting hurricanes, very cold places getting cold spells, droughts in desert regions, usually seem to be the supposed alarm bells. Back in the 90s there was something about bees supposedly going extinct, and nothing came of that.
 
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There hasn't really been a significant change anywhere. Very hot places getting a heatwave, places where hurricanes happen all the time getting hurricanes, very cold places getting cold spells, droughts in desert regions, usually seem to be the supposed alarm bells. Back in the 90s there was something about bees supposedly going extinct, and nothing came of that.
That wasn't my question. What's your threshold? What level of preventable harm would be enough to actually prevent it?
 
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That wasn't my question. What's your threshold? What level of preventable harm would be enough to actually prevent it?
Yes, I understand your question. But it's basically hypothetical. Because there hasn't been any preventable harm. There's just been minor changes that would have occurred anyways. Name any significant harm that's taken place that could have been prevented, and how it could have been prevented. An actual starting point needs to be established, before a threshold can be determined.
 
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