The revised Old Covenant

[Xeno.of.athens]

You are making very strange arguments. Its in the same passage Heb 8:10

No, it is you who make strange and illogical as well as inaccurate arguments. You claim that your opinions are what "it says" when it fact what it says is just "better promises". Hebrews 8:10 is not Hebrews 8:6. You have difficulty noticing that. That is why you present bad arguments. You're not interested in good exegesis you are interested in proving your point. That's eisegesis.

Eisegesis is the process of interpreting a text, such as a religious scripture, by introducing one's own presuppositions, biases, or agendas into the interpretation. This approach contrasts with exegesis, which seeks to draw out the original meaning of the text based on its context and the author's intent. Eisegesis is often criticised for being subjective, as it imposes the reader's perspective onto the text rather than uncovering its inherent meaning. You can explore more about it on Wikipedia.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, it is you who make strange and illogical as well as inaccurate arguments. You claim that your opinions are what "it says" when it fact what it says is just "better promises". Hebrews 8:10 is not Hebrews 8:6. You have difficulty noticing that. That is why you present bad arguments. You're not interested in good exegesis you are interested in proving your point. That's eisegesis.

I don't think you are following. I said it says it is established on better promises. Heb 8:6

It does not say it is established on better laws which is why you can't find it in the text, nor should we focus on things the Text does not say, but instead focus on the better promises of the New Covenant, which STILL has God's law Heb 8:10 according to the clear Text.

Saying what the text does not say is not adding to anything because it doesn't say it i.e. its not there.

I never said Heb 8:6 is Heb 8:10 but Heb 8:6 does not delete Heb 8:10

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

It does not say

So?

It does not say that Alpha Centauri is 4.3 light years away. It does not say violets are blue. Why do you keep telling me what it does not say when I never said it says any of the things you remind me it does not say? You're wasting time.

 

[ozso]

Except you do not read it just as it is written. What is written is "better promises" but you read "better promises not better laws" and that's the problem. You can't tell the difference between what is written from what you opine because of your theology. The rest of us see your error easily but you cannot.

People don't seem to realize if they commit themselves to an ism, what they read is going to have to be read through the lens of that ism. They are committed and obligated to see it that way. No matter how incorrect it is.

 

[ozso]

Lets look a little closer at the context....


Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

None of these verses say not to break the least of these commandments until the cross. We weren't even born then. Jesus said not a jot or tittle of the law will pass until ALL is fulfilled. He went on to say whoever breaks and teaches others to break the least of these commandments affects us being in heaven Mat 5:19-20

There are many prophecies in the law and prophets that have yet to be fulfilled like this one that the Prophet Isaiah foretold of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ that has yet to be fulfilled

Isa 25:8
he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove his people’s disgrace
from all the earth.
The Lord has spoken.

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Jesus was very clear, not a jot or tittle can pass before ALL is fulfilled, He did not come to destroy the law or prophets like the prophet Isaiah future prophecies yet to have happened and why heaven and earth are still here, therefore, so is God's law exactly the way He said, no editing Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18

At the Cross, It is Finished is referring to His covenant being ratified by His blood and Jesus took back dominion of this earth that Satan previously had. The plan of redemption was complete but the work of Jesus is not complete until Judgement, the wheat and tares separated and those in Him are reconciled and will be with Him forevermore.

Rev 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

All was fulfilled on the cross.
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. John 19:30

That's the context.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

All was fulfilled on the cross.
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. John 19:30

That's the context.

this is what jesus fulfilled;

Luk 24:44 Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”

underlined is what Jesus did fulfill.

Fulfill means to accomplish not to end. I will write more on this in great detail it becomes necessary as many do not know.

in the verse you have shown, John 19:30 Jesus says he accomplish all he came to do.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Fulfill means to accomplish not to end.

Fulfil means complete, end a contract, complete a covenant. It makes the old covenant obsolete.

 

[ozso]

this is what jesus fulfilled;

Luk 24:44 Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”

underlined is what Jesus did fulfill.

Fulfill means to accomplish not to end. I will write more on this in great detail it becomes necessary as many do not know.

in the verse you have shown, John 19:30 Jesus says he accomplish all he came to do.

John 19:30 completes Matthew 5:18. To fulfil and accomplish means to finish. "It is finished". To finish means to bring to an end. The old covenant ended and the new covenant began. That's foundational Christian theology.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

In the New Covenant God wrote His law in our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 why when breaking we are dishonoring God Rom 2:21-23 and its still a sin Rom 7:71 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and shows our heart has not been changed, by Jesus still walking in the flesh Rom 8:7-8 Gal 5:19-21

Did Jesus teach that His law ended at the Cross?

Not according to Him

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

This is not what we want to hear when He comes back

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

But instead:

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[ozso]

In the New Covenant God wrote His law in our hearts and minds Heb 8:10 why when breaking we are dishonoring God Rom 2:21-23 and its still a sin Rom 7:71 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 and shows our heart has not been changed, by Jesus still walking in the flesh Rom 8:7-8 Gal 5:19-21

Did Jesus teach that His law ended at the Cross?

Not according to Him

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

This is not what we want to hear when He comes back

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

But instead:

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Conclusion: Become a Seventh-day Adventist and you won't find yourself in that situation.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

God wrote His law in our hearts and minds

Can you show me exactly what laws those would be?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Conclusion: Become a Seventh-day Adventist and you won't want to find yourself in that situation.

Conclusion:

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

We should however find a church that embraces the principles of what God said. If anyone teaches against these principles we are warned Isa 8:20

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Can you show me exactly what laws those would be?

God's law would definitely include the law He personally wrote, personally spoke, His personal Testimony He called My commandments. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Exo 20:6 that is placed under His mercy seat shown in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:19 what all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19-30

 

[ozso]

Conclusion:

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Meaning become a Seventh-day Adventist and you'll be in obedience to scripture doing His commandments. Otherwise you won't. That's the obvious conclusion to a lot of those kinds of posts. But for some reason the poster can't be frankly honest and say that themselves.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

God's law would definitely include the law He personally wrote, personally spoke, His personal Testimony He called My commandments. Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 Exo 20:6 that is placed under His mercy seat shown in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:19 what all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 5:19-30

not one of those verses says those laws are written in any Christian's heart.

 

[ozso]

not one of those verses says those laws are written in any Christian's heart.

Be a sabbatarian and go to church on Saturday, upon this all the other commandments rest (no pun intended).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

not one of those verses says those laws are written in any Christian's heart.

The Scripture says God's law is written in our hearts- the Ten Commandments is Gods law. You would need to prove otherwise.

Why Jesus said quoting from the Ten Commandments when we follow our own laws/traditions over obeying God's commandments ones heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14, if they weren't placed in the heart, it wouldn't make a difference, but they are for His New Covenant believers. Heb 8:10

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

The Scripture says God's law is written in our hearts- the Ten Commandments is Gods law.

No. You have the onus of proof since you claim that it is the ten commandments. Prove your claim. If you cannot then stop making it because it is just your opinion and not a valid provable teaching of holy scripture.

The "Law of God written in a Christian's heart" is closely tied to the concept of natural law. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, natural law is the moral law that God has inscribed in the soul of every person. It reflects human reason's ability to discern good from evil and truth from falsehood. This law is universal, immutable, and serves as a guide for moral living.

The Church teaches that this law is not imposed externally but is an inner voice that calls individuals to seek good and avoid sin. It aligns with the dignity of the human person and forms the foundation for fundamental rights and duties. The natural law is also seen as a participation in God's wisdom and goodness, enabling humans to govern themselves in pursuit of truth and virtue.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No. You have the onus of proof since you claim that it is the ten commandments. Prove your claim. If you cannot then stop making it because it is just your opinion and not a valid provable teaching of holy scripture.

I already did through the plethora of Scripture like Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Rom 7:7 Rom 2:21-23 James 2:10-12 Rev 22:14-15 Mat 4:4 etc. etc.

God claimed them in His own Testimony the Ten Commandments are My commandments Exo 31:18 Exo 20:6. The burden is on you to prove that they are not God’s law, when He in His own words both written and spoken said they are Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 because God said He will write His law, not anyone else’s law in our hearts and minds.

You are free to believe what you want and it will all get sorted out soon enough, but keep in mind, when Jesus comes all of our decisions will be sealed Rev 22:11 so better to come out now of our false teachings before its too late Rev 18:4

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

In Catholic teaching, natural law refers to the moral principles that are inherent in human nature and can be discerned through reason. It is considered a participation in God's eternal law, guiding individuals to distinguish between good and evil. The natural law is universal and unchanging, rooted in the dignity of the human person and the pursuit of truth and goodness. It serves as the foundation for moral behaviour and is expressed in fundamental precepts, such as those found in the Decalogue.