why do people think ot covenant are still active?

[Hawkins]

Law won't go away, nor will a covenant, from the perspective of Judgment. They don't apply to humans outside of the scope though. Gentiles are never within the scope of the OT Jewish Covenant, they may convert though. Conversion however ceased with the cutoff point of John the Baptist, since then only the gospel is preached. By the choice of the Orthodox Jews, they are still under the OT Law (of Mosaic Covenant). So the OT covenant is still there, it's still applicable to the Jews. It is obsolette only in the sense that the New Covenant is in place since John the Baptist, while it's the only Covenant which saves, theologically speaking. Gentiles are with backward conversion provided, only a Jew can still choose to be under Law and with a valid circumcision.

Paul actually urged Timothy to circumcise, it significantly means the Mosaic Covenant is still there for even a Jewish Christian to adapt. It is so because the effect of covenants is overlappable. The Jews can observe Mosaic Law and be a Christian at the same time without conflict. For this reason, the Sabbath is a Saturday such that a Jewish Christian can keep, while the Lord's Day is on Sunday such that the same Jewish Christian can attend.

 

[Clare73]

Law won't go away, nor will a covenant, from the perspective of Judgment. They don't apply to humans outside of the scope though. Gentiles are never within the scope of the OT Jewish Covenant, they may convert though.

The Old Covenant with Moses as its mediator is obsolete (vanished). . .Heb 8:13, having been fulfilled in Christ.

All God's people are now in his New Covenant of which Jesus is the Mediator.

Those not in the New Covenant are not God's people.

Conversion however ceased with the cutoff point of John the Baptist, since then only the gospel is preached. By the choice of the Orthodox Jews, they are still under the OT Law (of Mosaic Covenant). So the OT covenant is still there, it's still applicable to the Jews. It is obsolette only in the sense that the New Covenant is in place since John the Baptist, while it's the only Covenant which saves, theologically speaking. Gentiles are with backward conversion provided, only a Jew can still choose to be under Law and with a valid circumcision.

Paul actually urged Timothy to circumcise, it significantly means the Mosaic Covenant is still there for even a Jewish Christian to adapt.

Read the text again. . .it meant no such thing.

It is so because the effect of covenants is overlappable.

Not according to the NT word of God in Heb 8:13, where the Old Covenant is obsolete (vanished) and all God's people are in a New Covenant made with the blood of Jesus (Lk 22:20).

 

[Hawkins]

The Old Covenant with Moses as its mediator is obsolete (vanished). . .Heb 8:13, having been fulfilled in Christ.

All God's people are now in his New Covenant of which Jesus is the Mediator.

Those not in the New Covenant are not God's people.

Read the text again. . .it meant no such thing.

Not according to the NT word of God in Heb 8:13, where the Old Covenant is obsolete (vanished) and all God's people are in a New Covenant made with the blood of Jesus (Lk 22:20).

You can't explain this, or perhaps can only explain it away,

Matthew 5:17-18
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.