The revised Old Covenant

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Here it is:

10 And I take my staff Pleasantness, and cut it apart, to make void my covenant that I had made with all the peoples: 11 and it is broken in that day, and the afflicted of the flock who are observing me know well, that it [is] a word of YHWH. 12 And I say to them: “If good in your eyes, give my hire, and if not, refrain”; and they weigh out my hire—thirty pieces of silver. 13 And YHWH says to me, “Cast it to the potter”; the good price that I have been prized at by them, and I take the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them [into] the house of YHWH, to the potter.
Zechariah 11:10-13

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

What isn't accurate? I quoted Psalms are you saying its not accurate?

Psa 89:34 I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”

you claims to be quoting Hebrews 10:7

 

[SabbathBlessings]

you claims to be quoting Hebrews 10:7

I see, I meant Heb 8:7

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I see, I meant Heb 8:7

never mind.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Here it is:

10 And I take my staff Pleasantness, and cut it apart, to make void my covenant that I had made with all the peoples: 11 and it is broken in that day, and the afflicted of the flock who are observing me know well, that it [is] a word of YHWH. 12 And I say to them: “If good in your eyes, give my hire, and if not, refrain”; and they weigh out my hire—thirty pieces of silver. 13 And YHWH says to me, “Cast it to the potter”; the good price that I have been prized at by them, and I take the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them [into] the house of YHWH, to the potter.
Zechariah 11:10-13

We are talking about the New Covenant, so best to stay with the context showing where is the fault, not with God, God did not break His covenant as the Text shows in the context of the New Covenant


Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Keeping His promise

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

 

[Clare73]

We are talking about the New Covenant, so best to stay with the context showing where is the fault, not with God, God did not break His covenant as the Text shows in the context of the New Covenant
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord:

I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Keeping His promise
Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

God did not break the covenant, the people did.

God does not break covenants, the people do, rendering them ineffective.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God did not break the covenant, the people did.

God does not break covenants, the people do, rendering them ineffective.

Agreed

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Did you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

We are talking about the New Covenant, so best to stay with the context showing where is the fault, not with God, God did not break His covenant as the Text shows in the context of the New Covenant

Also, it's worth noting that although you report yourself talking about the New Covenant, that does not describe all of us. Some of us are talking about a false claim of a revision of the old covenant, of which there was none. God said He broke that covenant. There is a new covenant. It is not a revision of the old. There is absolutely nothing in Holy Scripture discussing a revision of the old. It is a new covenant, and unlike under the old, He receives both Jews and Gentiles into it, and we become neither Jew nor Gentile, but children of God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Also, it's worth noting that although you report yourself talking about the New Covenant, that does not describe all of us. Some of us are talking about a false claim of a revision of the old covenant, of which there was none. God said He broke that covenant. There is a new covenant. It is not a revision of the old. There is absolutely nothing in Holy Scripture discussing a revision of the old. It is a new covenant, and unlike under the old, He receives both Jews and Gentiles into it, and we become neither Jew nor Gentile, but children of God.

Can you quote where God broke the covenant, instead of the people which is what the Scripture states.

Yes, there is a New Covenant, based on better promises Heb 8:6 so thats where I would spend my time focusing on, what are these better promises on how we can keep God’s law that He placed in our heart Heb 8:10. Jesus taught when we keep our own laws/traditions in lieu of God’s commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments, He said ones heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14, because it shows rebellion on what God placed there, instead of keeping firm what He placed there, because we love Him so much John 14:15 1 John 5:3

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Can you quote where God broke the covenant, instead of the people which is what the Scripture states.

So now I'll ask it yet again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Yes, there is a New Covenant, based on better promises

Glad to see this..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So now I'll ask it yet again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Glad to see this..

How does that relates to the New Covenant where God plainly said the people broke, not He. The whole reason He made a New Covenant, established on better promises, still containing God’s law now written in the heart and mind.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

How does that relates to the New Covenant where God plainly said the people broke, not He. The whole reason He made a New Covenant, established on better promises, still containing God’s law now written in the heart and mind.

And so I will ask it even again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And so I will ask it even again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Yes, but what does that have to do with what is being discussed the New Covenant in Heb 8:6-10 where God said where the fault was and who broke the covenant and it wasn’t He. Why do you not believe this?

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this isthe covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Zech is about the prophey of the Shepards, its not the context of Heb 8:6-10 so not sure your point.

Prophecy of the Shepherds​

4 Thus says the Lord my God, “Feed the flock for slaughter, 5 whose owners slaughter them and feel no guilt; those who sell them say, ‘Blessed be the Lord, for I am rich’; and their shepherds do not pity them. 6 For I will no longer pity the inhabitants of the land,” says the Lord. “But indeed I will give everyone into his neighbor’s hand and into the hand of his king. They shall [b]attack the land, and I will not deliver them from their hand.”

7 So I fed the flock for slaughter, [c]in particular the poor of the flock. I took for myself two staffs: the one I called [d]Beauty, and the other I called [e]Bonds; and I fed the flock. 8 I [f]dismissed the three shepherds in one month. My soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9 Then I said, “I will not feed you. Let what is dying die, and what is perishing perish. Let those that are left eat each other’s flesh.” 10 And I took my staff, [g]Beauty, and cut it in two, that I might break the covenant which I had made with all the peoples. 11 So it was broken on that day. Thus the[h] poor of the flock, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the Lord. 12 Then I said to them, “If it is [i]agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.

13 And the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter. 14 Then I cut in two my other staff, [j]Bonds, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

15 And the Lord said to me, “Next, take for yourself the implements of a foolish shepherd. 16 For indeed I will raise up a shepherd in the land who will not care for those who are cut off, nor seek the young, nor heal those that are broken, nor feed those that still stand. But he will eat the flesh of the fat and tear their hooves in pieces.

17 “Woe to the worthless shepherd,
Who leaves the flock!
A sword shall be against his arm
And against his right eye;
His arm shall completely wither,
And his right eye shall be totally blinded.”

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

JEBofChristTheLord said:
And so I will ask it even again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Yes, but what does that have to do with what is being discussed the New Covenant in Heb 8:6-10 where God said where the fault was and who broke the covenant and it wasn’t He. Why do you not believe this?

Well, let's just bring forth Hebrews 8:6-10.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hebrews 8:6-9

It is not written in those verses, that the children of Israel broke the covenant. It is written that they "continued not in my covenant". That is not the same as breaking it. That covenant was made by God Himself, it contained a large number of promises by Him, and it therefore could not be broken by men and women, it was infinitely larger and more powerful than all of the men and women to which it applied and to which it could have been applied. Within that covenant was a promise to restore, and a promise to fleshly generations. And God broke that covenant. No one is born into it anymore, and neither can anyone be restored into it, anymore.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well, let's just bring forth Hebrews 8:6-10.


It is not written in those verses, that the children of Israel broke the covenant. It is written that they "continued not in my covenant". That is not the same as breaking it.

What? So someone not continuing in their agreement is not breaking it?? You might want to consult with an attorney, because I can assure you if one party does not continue in their agreement, its considered broken.

That covenant was made by God Himself, it contained a large number of promises by Him, and it therefore could not be broken by men and women, it was infinitely larger and more powerful than all of the men and women to which it applied and to which it could have been applied. Within that covenant was a promise to restore, and a promise to fleshly generations.

Where is this verse? The story of the golden calf proves otherwise

And God broke that covenant.

And this verse? Are we to believe you over God's own Testimony?

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

No one is born into it anymore, and neither can anyone be restored into it, anymore.

Heb 8:6-10 Gal 3:26-29 says something different. I certainly wouldn't want to remove myself from God's covenant Promise, but we are granted free will.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

So now I'll ask it yet again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Glad to see this..

In Zechariah chapter 11, God tells the prophet to act like a shepherd caring for a flock of sheep that are headed for destruction. This is a picture of how God had cared for His people, but they no longer wanted Him. They rejected His guidance and leadership. So, God gave them what they wanted—He stepped back and let them go their own way.

Zechariah carried two staffs to show what God was doing. One staff was called Favor, meaning God’s kindness and protection. The other was called Union, showing the unity between the people. When Zechariah broke the staff called Favor, it meant that God was ending His special protection over the people. They had rejected Him, so He was letting them face the nations without His help.

Zechariah 11:10 says:
"And I took my staff, Favor, and cut it in two, that I might break the covenant which I had made with all the peoples."

This doesn’t refer to the Ten Commandments covenant given at Sinai. Instead, it points to the kind of covenant seen throughout the Old Testament—where God promised to protect and guide His people if they remained faithful. It is shown clearly in Deuteronomy 28:1-2:
"Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the Lord your God will set you high above all nations of the earth. And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, because you obey the voice of the Lord your God."

This kind of promise appears many times. In Exodus 19:5-6, before giving the law, God said:
"Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."

God also promised personal guidance. Isaiah 30:21 says:
"Your ears shall hear a word behind you, saying, ‘This is the way, walk in it,’ whenever you turn to the right hand or whenever you turn to the left."

Psalm 23 also reflects this care:
"The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still waters. He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness for His name’s sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for You are with me."

But when the people rejected God, He withdrew His care. Hosea 4:6 says:
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me."

Later in Zechariah 11:14, the prophet breaks the second staff, Union. That meant the people would be divided and no longer stand together:
"Then I cut in two my other staff, Union, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel."


The people didn’t value their shepherd. They paid him thirty pieces of silver, the price of a slave.
"So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said to me, ‘Throw it to the potter’—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter." — Zechariah 11:12–13

This was a prophecy pointing to Jesus, the good shepherd He too was rejected and betrayed for thirty pieces of silver, and that same money was thrown into the temple, just like Zechariah did.


God broke that covenant of protection because His people turned away from Him. But He didn’t leave things that way forever. Later, He made a new covenant through Jesus. At the Last Supper, Jesus said:
"This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you." — Luke 22:20

Jesus also said:
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." — John 10:11

Even though the old covenant of protection was broken, God opened a new and better way—through His Son. Those who follow Jesus, the good shepherd, are brought back under God’s care and become part of His people again.

God did say that the Ten Commandments are His covenant, and this truth has not changed. God said:

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone." — Deuteronomy 4:13 (NKJV)

This covenant, written by God Himself, remains the foundation of His will for His people JEWS AND GENTILES.

In Zechariah 11, the covenant that was broken was not the Ten Commandments. It was God’s protective relationship with His people—His willingness to guard, bless, and guide them as a nation as long as they listened to Him. When they rejected Him as their Shepherd, He stepped back and let them face the consequences. But this did not cancel His eternal covenant—the Ten Commandments.

Now, let’s look at Jesus. He never canceled the Ten Commandments. In fact, He taught them and brought them to their full meaning. Jesus said:

"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." — Matthew 5:17–18 (NKJV)

Then Jesus went on to teach how the commandments go even deeper—not just the letter, but the heart. For example, He taught that not only is murder wrong, but anger without cause is also a sin. Not only is adultery wrong, but looking with lust is already sin in the heart (Matthew 5:21–30).

Jesus summed up the Ten Commandments into two great principles:

"‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." — Matthew 22:37–40 (NKJV)

Jesus was not replacing the Ten Commandments—He was showing that love is the foundation of all of them. The first four teach us how to love God; the last six teach us how to love others.

So to answer plainly, No, the Ten Commandments have not changed or been cancelled. God’s covenant still stands. Jesus lived by them, taught them, and showed their full meaning. The new covenant Jesus brought did not erase the commandments—it wrote them on our hearts (see Jeremiah 31:33). Through Jesus, we receive forgiveness and the power to truly keep God's law—not just outwardly, but from the heart.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

God’s covenant still stands.

To which covenant do you refer?

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Zechariah 11:10 says:
"And I took my staff, Favor, and cut it in two, that I might break the covenant which I had made with all the peoples."

This doesn’t refer to the Ten Commandments covenant given at Sinai. Instead, it points to the kind of covenant seen throughout the Old Testament—where God promised to protect and guide His people if they remained faithful. It is shown clearly in Deuteronomy 28:1-2:

Ah, the multiple-covenant theory. Do you have anything from God which discusses multiple covenants in the Old Covenant Scripture?

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

What? So someone not continuing in their agreement is not breaking it?? You might want to consult with an attorney, because I can assure you if one party does not continue in their agreement, its considered broken.

You encourage me to consult a sinful human attorney, rather than believe what God has said?