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[Ceallaigh]

Really? I was dealing with a dude who thinks the Earth is flat and atoms (probably) are even real. There is no way to deal with that and the history of recent discovery has nothing to do with that kind of intransigence.

Seems to me that intransigence can be ascribed to both parties. Afterall, on what do you base your base your belief the earth is round? Images and eyewitness testimony? What about the millions of images and eyewitness testimonies regarding UFOs, extraterrestrial beings, bigfoot, ghosts etc?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Seems to me that intransigence can be ascribed to both parties. Afterall, on what do you base your base your belief the earth is round? Images and eyewitness testimony? What about the millions of images and eyewitness testimonies regarding UFOs, extraterrestrial beings, bigfoot, ghosts etc?

What is this game you're playing now? some sort of performative skepticism?

 

[jacks]

That's a good point, and I agree. but it doesn't really change anything.

The claim was that those scientists who witnessed x are few in number and in an elite position to evaluate the evidence. I agree with that since I have not (could not) do the work, myself. But I accept their witness that the observations have been made and calculations have been done as a credible witness. And I accept it because it is a live option for being disproven. I'm an idiot, but there are others that can disprove it, and they also agree.

Part of what makes Christian faith an act of faith is because, as things stand now, the witness of the apostles to the resurrection, and the Holy Spirit's witness to us, cannot be disproven. We'll see one day, perhaps, but such claims are not up for observation, experiment, verification. The distance of stars, however, is a live option for being disproven. There is a lot of faith involved with science, thats true, but it's a different kind because it's a community dealing with empirical, verifiable evidence.

So I think it is still the case that if one can accept the apostolic/Holy Spirit's witness, granting credulity to well worn scientific claims should be a no brainer.

Which is more worthy of being believed based on testimony? That which can neither be proven nor disproven or that which could be disproven, has been tested, and still stands? I say the latter. That doesn't mean the former is not worthy of credulity, but the latter is much easier to accept and should be a non-issue.

I don't think we disagree. I've personally have no problem with science or accepting verifiable evidence. (Realizing of course it may be wrong at times.) I was merely pointing out that I can think of basically 3 ways to know/believe something. One is through second hand information. What we read, hear, watch, etc. This is probably where we get most of our beliefs. (I believe there is a New York City, though I've never been there.) Another way is through logical deduction. (If A then B must follow.) The last way is through direct experience. Someone may tell me the stove isn't hot and it may not be turned on, but after I've burned myself I know better. My personal beliefs of the Gospels (and science) are a complex combination of all three and that is probably true for most people.

 

[Ceallaigh]

What is this game you're playing now? some sort of performative skepticism?

I was trying to make a point.

 

[d taylor]

You really are lost to reality aren't you?

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Interesting coming from a person who does not believe in The God, of The Bible. Good thing about reality, we will eventually see whose reality is real. Your godless one or the one i believe in that is described in The Bible.

 

[d taylor]

We definitely have very different approaches to scripture.

Those are great videos. I'm definitely impressed. I have been thinking about getting a telescope. I had one as a kid but would love to have something like your setup. What are you using?

I'm not sure of your point, though. Are those meant to show the picture of Jupiter is not a picture of Jupiter?

Those recording were made with a Nikon p1000 used with a tripod.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Those recording were made with a Nikon p1000 used with a tripod.

What were they demonstrating though?

 

[d taylor]

What were they demonstrating though?

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Show me an actual recording of Jupiter moving through the sky, where jupiter looks like the picture i posted from science. Which is a picture that science presents as the actual jupiter.

See these posters around here are always saying they are believing science because what science states is true, because sciences claims come from observation. I say really, really what are you observing.

 

[Ceallaigh]

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Show me an actual recording of Jupiter moving through the sky, where jupiter looks like the picture i posted from science. Which is a picture that science presents as the actual jupiter.

See these posters around here are always saying they are believing science because what science states is true, because sciences claims come from observation. I say really, really what are you observing.

To be perfectly honest, the resolution in those videos isn't very good. I looked at Saturn once though a more powerful telescope owned by my pastor, and it looked like the pictures I've seen.

 

[sjastro]

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Show me an actual recording of Jupiter moving through the sky, where jupiter looks like the picture i posted from science. Which is a picture that science presents as the actual jupiter.

See these posters around here are always saying they are believing science because what science states is true, because sciences claims come from observation. I say really, really what are you observing.

Do I need to remind you of a still image from a video that I took of Jupiter where you openly suggested I was engaging in fraud.
Here is image of Jupiter which was not taken by a scientist.

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It was taken by an amateur by the name of Damian Peach pictured here with the equipment used to take the image high up in the Andes in Chile which are ideal seeing conditions allowing high resolution imaging.

I should E-mail Damian and claim he is also engaging in fraud because some ignorant flat earther thinks his video of Jupiter using modest equipment and seeing conditions is somehow a benchmark which if exceeded is an indication the said image must be a phony.

 

[Estrid]

You might be surprised to hear that the extreme snowstorms and freezing winter weather you've been experiencing in northern parts of the US (and Europe) were caused by global warming and you can expect more of it.

Without going into details, global warming allows cold air to 'spill' out of Arctic regions and roll down towards the Equator. The result is you'll cook in summer with temperature increases and freeze in winter when the Polar Vortex breaks down.

Add in more intense hurricanes, rising sea levels and flooding rains and things could get very messy.

OB

So...what if the deeper cold and greater snowfall
leads to areas where more snow falls than melts?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I was trying to make a point.

Solipsism isn't a point. It's a tactic.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Solipsism isn't a point. It's a tactic.

I love it when I'm accused of doing something I don't even understand.

 

[rturner76]

Sounds terrifying. It's a good thing that God and not man is actually in control.

I do wonder about that because man seems to be making a right mess of God's perfect creation.

 

[Ceallaigh]

I do wonder about that because man seems to be making a right mess of God's perfect creation.

It's a fallen world. But God is still ultimately in charge.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I love it when I'm accused of doing something I don't even understand.

Solipsism is basically the philosophical (or rhetorical) equivalent of asking "but how do you know that?" over and over and over at each and every level of understanding.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Solipsism is basically the philosophical (or rhetorical) equivalent of asking "but how do you know that?" over and over and over at each and every level of understanding.

Solipsism:

1. the quality of being very self-centered or selfish.
"she herself elicits scant sympathy, such is her solipsism and lack of self-awareness"

2.PHILOSOPHY
the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.
"solipsism is an idealist thesis because ‘Only my mind exists’ entails ‘Only minds exist’"

What is an example of solipsism?
Solipsism is sometimes expressed as the view that “I am the only mind which exists,” or “My mental states are the only mental states.” However, the sole survivor of a nuclear holocaust might truly come to believe in either of these propositions without thereby being a solipsist.

 

[Occams Barber]

So...what if the deeper cold and greater snowfall
leads to areas where more snow falls than melts?

The more extreme winter weather is a temporary phenomenon caused by fluctuations in the winds circling the Arctic (the Polar Vortex). It usually lasts several days after which the weather returns to a more normal winter. Any snow will eventually melt as the season changes or the weather goes above freezing point.

There are very few places on Earth where more snow falls than, eventually, melts. Antarctica, Greenland or Iceland are the only places I can think of. In these places succeeding layers of snow pack down to form ice sheets. In Antarctica these sheets are kilometres thick.

If these ice sheets melt, we're in real trouble.
OB

 

[Estrid]

The more extreme winter weather is a temporary phenomenon caused by fluctuations in the winds circling the Arctic (the Polar Vortex). It usually lasts several days after which the weather returns to a more normal winter. Any snow will eventually melt as the season changes or the weather goes above freezing point.

There are very few places on Earth where more snow falls than, eventually, melts. Antarctica, Greenland or Iceland are the only places I can think of. In these places succeeding layers of snow pack down to form ice sheets. In Antarctica these sheets are kilometres thick.

If these ice sheets melt, we're in real trouble.
OB

If theres more evaporation, thus more cloud cover,
and more snowfall- isnt it assuming a bit much that its temporary?

 

[Estrid]

It's a fallen world. But God is still ultimately in charge.

So a saying goes.
I prefer not to just say things.