Studyman wrote:
How do you relate what you wrote with Jesus own word to us? Jn5:24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Rev. 22:
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
AS Paul also teaches.
Rom. 2:
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Jesus said it's the "doers" of His Sayings that shall stand, those who hear Him only, will fall.
A man either believes His inspired Word, or they don't.
Our good deeds show that we really do believe God. Jesus said Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Matt25: 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Our "good deeds" mean nothing if we live in transgression of God's Commandments, at least according to the Jesus of the Bible.
Matt. 7:
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (All "good deeds" by this world's religious standards)
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Our obedience to God, like Abraham's obedience to God, Caleb's, Joshua's, Zacharias, Simeon's, Anna's, show that we really do believe in Him, and not just one of the "many" religious franchises and sects which exist in the Lands God placed us in.
We are only made righteous by the shed blood of Jesus.
Absolutely. By God's grace, and the Blood of His Son, we are forgiven. So now what?
"shall we sin, because we are not under (penalty of) the law, but under grace? God forbid. (That means NO Bob)
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
So according to Scriptures, the Body of Christ is being taught that yes, they are under Grace. But SIN still brings death. Therefore, "Yield yourselves" to obey God, not the religious philosophies of this world God placed us in.
When we do this, our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees, or whichever religion of this world "many" have adopted.
There is no way we are able to pull ourselves up with our own boot straps.
This is true. We are all guilty of sin, and nothing "we" do can remove the sin. Only a pardon by a Higher power than us, can remove Sin.
This is why Paul is telling the Body of Christ to "Yield themselves" to Obey God and become servants of HIS Righteousness. Not our own. In this way we won't be like those "many" who
profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
The pharisees were law keepers. Keeping all the laws could not save even one soul.
This is one of many popular religious falsehoods being promoted by men who self-identify as "Christian". But it's deceptive. The Pharisees were not "Keepers of God's Laws, nor did they strive to walk in HIS Righteousness as did EVERY example of faith in the Bible.
The Pharisees were "children of the devil", at least according to the Jesus of the Bible. They "transgressed God's Commandments by their own traditions", not unlike many religions of this world today. They "taught for doctrines the commandments of men", not God as you imply. They didn't believe Moses and the Prophets. The had "the Oracles of God but didn't believe them". They were "Ignorant of God's Righteousness" and went about to create their own and refused to "Yield themselves" or as Paul says "Submit themselves" to the righteousness of God.
So your statement "The pharisees were law keepers", is deceptive in that you don't specify whose Law they kept. "The Pharisees were not keepers of God's Laws", but their own created laws. Just like Eve. The God of the Bible teaches "
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."
It's God's Mercy that saves us. But HE doesn't give His mercy to everyone. This seems like an important distinction to point out, that you omitted.
You seem to quote Paul only when you can use him to make a point. What about 2Cor3:6-11 or Eph2:15 or Col 2:16-17 or Gal 3 (the whole chapter)?
I don't play those games where you imply some of Paul's words contradict other of Paul's Words. Paul doesn't contradict his words I posted in 2 Cor. 3. Jesus is our High Priest, not the sons of Aaron. And I am thankful for the New Priesthood Covenant. Eph. 2, God's Laws did not cause the "Wall of Separation", the rebellious Pharisees, who "taught for doctrines the commandments of men" created the "Wall of Separation". This doesn't contradict Paul's words I posted. Paul is teaching the Body of Christ to "Beware" of the religious philosophies of this world, and not to let other religious men judge them for yielding themselves or submitting themselves to God's righteousness, which are "shadows" of things which are yet to be fulfilled.
These things are of the Body of Christ. Whereas, Xmas, Easter egg hunts, day of the dead, Hannukah, and "many" more of this worlds high days, are shadows of noting to come, but religious
philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
And Gal. 3 is also speaking to the Priesthood Covenant that was "ADDED" 430 years after "
that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
So I do quote Paul's words to make a point, in this case, that the Body of Christ of the Bible, "Press towards the mark of the high calling of God, which was in Christ Jesus", as opposed to simply furthering popular religious doctrines and traditions of the religions of this land that God placed us in. Like the Pharisees were doing.
What are the doctrines of men that you are accusing me of teaching?
I was speaking to whose Law created the partition Paul is speaking to, as my post says.
"It wasn't God, who was "Teaching for doctrine the Commandments of men". It was the children of the devil who had taken over God's Temple. They are the ones who were leading men astray,
who had created this barrier. Not God. As it is written;"
Eph. 2: 11.
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
It was the Pharisees and corrupt Priests and scribes whose
"law of commandments contained in ordinances" created the Wall of Separation" that Jesus exposed in the flesh, not God's Laws..
You are preaching it was God's Laws that created the barrier. This is a deception.
You left out the best part verse 15: by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,
I didn't leave it out. I was showing who the scriptures say
created the laws and regulations which caused to "wall of separation".
You, the Pope, and most all of this world's religious franchises and religious sects, preach that Jesus set aside
God's Law which caused this separation. But if a man actually believes in the Jesus of the Bible, and follows Him, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by Every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God", they will find that it wasn't God's Law, but the "Commandments of men" Jesus said the Pharisees taught for doctrines, that was exposed and nailed to His Cross.
Funny how you are able to use one verse out of context to try to make a false point. Col 2:14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Jesus disarmed those of authority by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations by nailing the Law with its commands to the Cross.
Jesus was accused of transgressing God's Law. And put to death by those who said "We have a Law, and by our Law HE should die". Paul was judged guilty by the same Law and would have also been killed had he not fled to Rome.
To believe the Pope, and by extension, your religious philosophy in this matter, I would have to believe Jesus disarmed God, as the principality and powers who condemned Jesus to die. When it is clear that God's LAW never condemned Jesus to die. You are preaching that Jesus made a spectacle of God and His instruction in righteousness that Paul teaches the Body of Christ to "continue in". To believe your religious philosophy, I would have to believe that Jesus "Triumphed over God" by the cross.
While I believe Jesus disarmed those "children of the devil", who had taken over God's Temple, by exposing and setting aside the "Commandments of men" Jesus said those in authority taught for doctrines, I don't believe the popular religious philosophy that you are promoting, which teaches it was God's Law that caused the barrier between Jew and Gentile, or that God's Laws were against the men of this world. This belief is based on considering "Every" word of Paul and Jesus, not just a select verse here and there that men use to justify a particular religious philosophy they have adopted.
2Cor3: 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
Yes, we are no longer under the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", nor the "works of the law" required for forgiveness under this Priesthood. Our sins are forgiven under a New Priesthood. The deception is the preaching that when the Priesthood changed, God's definition of sin changed as well.
The scriptures don't teach this.
To believe we should love our fellow man as Jesus loves us is something wrong? Some have either misread what I believe or they are not comprehending. I strictly use God's Word to draw conclusions. We are not subject to the ritual laws of the old covenant. We are under the new covenant given to Israel and Judah and to all the people of the World through Jesus command.
In this religion you are promoting, was Jesus the Rock of Israel, who became flesh and lived among men? Are you subject to God's definition of HIS New Covenant, or have you created your own? The reason I ask, is because in God's Definition of HIS OWN New Covenant, there is only reference to 2 things.
#1. How God's Law is administered. Prior to "After those days" only the Levite Priest's had access to the Oracles of God, and the people only knew what these men taught. But After those days, we would all know Him, from the least to the greatest. Certainly everyone in this world that wants to read the Oracles of God have access to them. And of course they do, we are in God's New Covenant. But we still are required to believe His Words He places in our mind, and in our hearts.
#2. How sins were forgiven. Prior to "After those days" only a Levite Priest could provide for the forgiveness of sins, and that by sacrificial "works of the law". But after those days, the rock of Israel will provide for the forgiveness of our Sins Himself.
Certainly a New Ministry, and a changed Priesthood Covenant. But nothing here advocates for the rejection, disobedience and dishonor of God's Judgments or Commandments Jesus and EVERY man of faith in the entire Bible walked in.
But Jesus and Paul did warn about religious men, who come in Christ's Name, who would deceive "many" by their preaching.
Do you understand what you wrote, I certainly do not.
It wasn't God or His LAW that taught that repentant Gentiles
were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Paul said it was them "
by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;" This would be the Pharisees who had taken over the temple of God. They were the ones who created commandments contained in ordinances which created the wall of separation. Not God's Word.
Lev. 19:
34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Is that what Col 2 is telling us? I believe you should go back and do some more studying of those verses.
Actually that isn't the problem. I could separate 2 or 3 verses in Col. 2 from the rest of the Holy scriptures and study until I die, and never understand what it means.
This is why it's so important to turn away from all the "other voices" in the garden God placed us in, and obey the Jesus of the Bible, and be a "Doer" of His sayings and not a hearer only. "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God."
