Salvation vs : service.

[BNR32FAN]

You just posted another lie.
Listen....you can't "reject Christ" and be saved.
You have to believe in Jesus to be saved.
Didn't you know?

"all that call on the name of Jesus (believe) shall be saved".

Not everyone who says to Me Lord Lord will enter Heaven only those who do the will of My Father may enter.

 

[Sidon]

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.KJV

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The Gospel is Paul teaching "born again".
Im not surprised you dont know this....

Also, yes, Romans 4:8 teaches what David saw prophetically.
That's true.
It came true, as all the prophecies do, or will.

 

[Sidon]

I don’t think I need to quote your “answers” to my questions. Everyone here has seen that they never actually answer the question because everyone here has experienced the same problem.

You feel then that lying about my answers is better then quoting them.
Yes, i agree.

Also,
your....."everyone here"......= Ligurian, and stset777.
The 3 forum hyper-legalists, as proven by every post that denies God's Grace and tries to flip it into self effort to stay saved.
JUDE has quite a bit to say about you 3., as does Paul, as do I.

You 3 make me smile, because of all the good you do for those who see how you think and notice what you teach, that so contradicts the Grace of God.

Thanks for continuing to being useful , in this regard.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What Paul teaches is not my opinion., it is in fact, the Gospel.
Its what i teach.

See, to be born again, is very specific., and once you are, you have become "in Christ".

Yes what Paul teaches is not what you teach tho.

 

[Sidon]

John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, He said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

Yes, Jesus lifted up Himself, even before He was talking to the "woman".
The "lifting up: started before He began to carry the Cross and before he was sentenced to be scourged by Pilate.

See, ...when Jesus said......>"not my will, but YOURS be done..." The Lifting up, was begun.
He even talks about it before that happened.... here.... John 12:32

 

[BNR32FAN]

You feel then that lying about my answers is better then quoting them.
Yes, i agree.

Also,
your....."everyone here"......= Ligurian, and stset777.
The 3 forum hyper-legalists, as proven by every post that denies God's Grace and tries to flip it into self effort to stay saved.
JUDE has quite a bit to say about you 3., as does Paul, as do I.

You 3 make me smile, because of all the good you do for those who see how you think and notice what you teach, that so contradicts the Grace of God.

Thanks for continuing to being useful , in this regard.

And yet your the only person refuting our theology in your threads while everyone is refuting your’s.

 

[Sidon]

Yes what Paul teaches is not what you teach tho.

Listen.
Before i came to this Forum.... the term "Pauline Theology" was not even in your brain cells.
I put it there.

What you need to do, is just begin to allow your heart to hear.
You dont allow this, because you are only concerned with arguing and trying to prove, what can't be proven.
If you can stop that carnality, then God can reveal to you, what you have not yet known.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You feel then that lying about my answers is better then quoting them.
Yes, i agree.

Also,
your....."everyone here"......= Ligurian, and stset777.
The 3 forum hyper-legalists, as proven by every post that denies God's Grace and tries to flip it into self effort to stay saved.
JUDE has quite a bit to say about you 3., as does Paul, as do I.

You 3 make me smile, because of all the good you do for those who see how you think and notice what you teach, that so contradicts the Grace of God.

Thanks for continuing to being useful , in this regard.

Look instead of me having to go back and copy & paste a bunch of posts let’s just settle this with one simple question. If a person who has been born again turns away from Christ and does not repent is he still saved?

 

[Sidon]

Not everyone who says yo Me Lord Lord will enter Heaven only those who do the will of My Father may enter.

To enter heaven.....is the same thing as being "Born again", into the Spirit of God.
All the born again, are already "One with God", in Christ".
You should try to realize where they are located.
They are located where the born again are located, Spiritually, as "Born again".
The Kingdom of God.
Where is that?
Right......
See it?

This is why the NT says the born again are "ONE with GOD" and "seated in heavenly places IN Christ".

 

[apollosdtr]

The sermon on the mount that is found in Matthew, has no Cross in it, has no Blood of Jesus shed in it, and has no "gift of Salvation" or "gift of Righteousness" in it offered to "all who will believe, and do the "work of God, that is to believe on Jesus whom God sent".

So, what does that mean?

It means you should seriously think about not quoting the people
who still keep the gospel preached before the cross. Matthew 28:18-20.

It means that the SOTM< has almost nothing to do with any of John's Letters, and absolutely nothing to do with the Cross of Christ or the eternal redemption found there as : John 3:16

Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament.

"Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament."
... still has followers who base their posts on John?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Listen.
Before i came to this Forum.... the term "Pauline Theology" was not even in your brain cells.
I put it there.

What you need to do, is just begin to allow your heart to hear.
You dont allow this, because you are only concerned with arguing and trying to prove, what can't be proven.
If you can stop that carnality, then God can reveal to you, what you have not yet known.

I agree that the term “Pauline theology” was not something I’ve ever heard of because all of the apostles taught the same theology. They all received the same teachings from the same teacher, God. Their theology was not different from one another so I don’t hold Paul’s theology above any of the other author’s of the scriptures because they are all equally inspired by God Himself.

 

[Sidon]

And yet your the only person refuting our theology in your threads while everyone is refuting your’s.

Actually, most agree.
and those are the believers, who understand the Grace of God as "the Gift of Righteousness".
If you ever become this same mind, then you will realize my Threads to be only teaching : "Pauline Theology".

 

[Sidon]

I agree that the term “Pauline theology” was not something I’ve ever heard of because all of the apostles taught the same theology.

Actually the "gospel of the Grace of God", came from Jesus to Paul.
He then taught it to the rest over time.
Had He taught it to Peter before Acts 10, then Peter would have known that the Gentiles could be saved, and not just the Jews.
However, by Acts 15, Paul had all the apostles understanding the Light of the Gospel of the Grace of God.

Peter was always the one that needed to be corrected.
Paul had to rebuke him harshly in public once, so that Peter got the message, clearly.

 

[Sidon]

Look instead of me having to go back and copy & paste a bunch of posts let’s just settle this with one simple question. If a person who has been born again turns away from Christ and does not repent is he still saved?

Only if the person is born again, and not just water baptized and religious.

See, if you are born again, you are always born again.
This can't be changed by behavior., as behavior didn't cause you to be born again, to begin with....

 

[BNR32FAN]

Listen.
Before i came to this Forum.... the term "Pauline Theology" was not even in your brain cells.
I put it there.

What you need to do, is just begin to allow your heart to hear.
You dont allow this, because you are only concerned with arguing and trying to prove, what can't be proven.
If you can stop that carnality, then God can reveal to you, what you have not yet known.

Hopefully you don’t think that I wasn’t quoting Paul years before you came to CF because I can quote hundreds of posts from Paul’s epistles years before you came to CF.

 

[Sidon]

It means you should seriously think about not quoting the people
who still keep the gospel preached before the cross. Matthew 28:18-20.

"Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament."
... still has followers who base their posts on John?

"""""""It means you should seriously think about not quoting the people
who still keep the gospel preached before the cross. Matthew 28:18-20.""""""

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This does not make any sense to anyone but you.
Listen, if there is no Cross, there is no Gospel to be given, that you are to BELIEVE.
All you had before the Cross was Moses Law and commandments.
The "Sermon on the Mouth" has no Christ on the Cross, so that isn't the "Gospel" that Paul teaches as "my Gospel", in the "Time of the Gentiles".


"""""""Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament."
... still has followers who base their posts on John?"""""

I base my posts/Threads on Christ as the Savior, and the Cross as the method.
= "the Gift of Salvation" and "the Gift of Righteousness".
"Justification by Faith.......Faith IS counted AS Righteousness"..
"Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as Righteousness".
Paul teaches that "Abraham is the father of our Faith".
All the apostles preached, "Christ on the Cross", as Salvation.
Its all the same "gospel", because it only Credits God on the Cross as THE WAY.
John 14:6

If you want water baptism or commandment keeping as how John the Baptist and Moses offered under the old covenant, = as what can't cause God to accept you, then go with them.

 

[Sidon]

Hopefully you don’t think that I wasn’t quoting Paul years before you came to CF.

"quoting" is not "rightly dividing".
Just look at your years of posts, as proof.
Or just look at your hundreds of posts to me on my Threads, as the factual evidence.

Recently i posted 2 Threads that detail the fact that Satan's dark lights, will be "ministers of Righteousness", with a twist.
The "twist"is to talk about salvation while subverting the Gospel of the Grace of God, with the theology of "works" and "self effort" at the same time.
This is how you recognize these dark lights, Bnr32fan.
Its their mark.

 

[apollosdtr]

Paul is the "apostle to the gentiles" in the "time of the Gentiles".
This isnt going to change to suit your unbelief or personal theology.

The Gospel in the "time of the Gentiles' is "the preaching of the Cross".
This is not going to change simply because you can't stand the reality that the apostle to the gentiles wrote all the doctrine for the NT Church and most of the NT as well.

[green added]
Galatians 2:7-9 Matthew 28:18-30

Matthew 7:28-9 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at His doctrine: For He taught them as [one] having authority, and not as the scribes.

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Dear Readers:
I follow the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven... which has a different
meaning for unbelief than what seems to be currently tossed at my head.

Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Says the person that teaches that we can reject Christ and we will still be saved. That’s the biggest “surely you will not die” deception I’ve ever heard of.

You just posted another lie.
Listen....you can't "reject Christ" and be saved.
You have to believe in Jesus to be saved.
Didn't you know?

"all that call on the name of Jesus (believe) shall be saved".

Look instead of me having to go back and copy & paste a bunch of posts let’s just settle this with one simple question. If a person who has been born again turns away from Christ and does not repent is he still saved?

Only if the person is born again, and not just water baptized and religious.

See, if you are born again, you are always born again.
This can't be changed by behavior., as behavior didn't cause you to be born again, to begin with....

So according to this discussion was I lying when I said that you teach that we can reject Christ and we will still be saved? You just contradicted yourself right here. You just said that a person can’t be saved if they reject Christ that they must believe then you went right back to saying that if a born again person rejects Christ he will be saved. You said that if your born again that can’t be changed by behavior. You’ve just contradicted yourself and proved that I’m not a liar right here.

 

[BNR32FAN]

"quoting" is not "rightly dividing".
Just look at your years of posts, as proof.
Or just look at your hundreds of posts to me on my Threads, as the factual evidence.

Recently i posted 2 Threads that detail the fact that Satan's dark lights, will be "ministers of Righteousness", with a twist.
The "twist"is to talk about salvation while subverting the Gospel of the Grace of God, with the theology of "works" and "self effort" at the same time.
This is how you recognize these dark lights, Bnr32fan.
Its their mark.

But I’ve ALWAYS maintained that our works cannot atone for our sins nor can they earn us our salvation. I’ve never once in my entire life said that we are saved by our works nor have I said that our works play any role in our salvation. So I challenge you to back up your false accusation of me preaching salvation by works with quotes of me teaching that. I’ve already quoted you teaching that we can sin all we want and still be saved even if we don’t repent. You’ve even openly admitted that several times.