Creationists: Explain your understanding of microevolution and macroevolution

[Astrid]

I'm missing your point there.

If God revealed himself to you
did that somehow include telling you
that ToE is wrong? If not, why mention it
in response to the fact that every relevant
fact on earth shows your chosen interpretation
cannot be correct?

If he told you that you are right, well,
that means God affirmed you are right,
incapable of being wrong.

Simple.

 

[Speedwell]

That argument is literally centuries old, and answered for centuries. Google it for an answer.

Yes, the answer is the arrogance of Evangelical Protestants. The question is, how did Christianity survive all those centuries without you?

 

[driewerf]

QV please: Top Science Mishaps Over The Past 10 Years

You mean like the [not enough lifeboats] Titanic? [hydrogen-filled] Hindenburg? [ignore the warnings] Challenger? [waive the safety checks] Deepwater Horizon? [let's get this into production] Florida Footbridge? [it's safe to go back home] L'Aquila?

I admire your very christian attitude to dance on the graves of many dead people.

 

[driewerf]

Theology:

1. Goddidit
2. Falldidit
3. Flooddidit

QV The Earth is not 6,000 years old.

 

[AV1611VET]

I admire your very christian attitude to dance on the graves of many dead people.

Oh, please ...

Save it for some scholar who brings up Numbers 31.

 

[AV1611VET]

QV The Earth is not 6,000 years old.

Where did I say it was?

 

[FredVB]

This is for creationists explaining their respective understanding. If you're a creationist, what do you think microevolution and macroevolution are exactly?

I think that there are gene pools, distinct from one another. Maybe genetic defects happen that contribute to some further variation but not enough that would permit such drift that would exclude all the original gene pool without all the genetic defects that would be involved killing off the gene pool for that possibility, which then could not happen. So it would allow speciation, from adequate variation possible already in the gene pool, and may be a little further variation, but not much further than that.

 

[Astrid]

I think that there are gene pools, distinct from one another. Maybe genetic defects happen that contribute to some further variation but not enough that would permit such drift that would exclude all the original gene pool without all the genetic defects that would be involved killing off the gene pool for that possibility, which then could not happen. So it would allow speciation, from adequate variation possible already in the gene pool, and may be a little further variation, but not much further than that.

Huh

 

[Mr Laurier]

You mean like the [not enough lifeboats] Titanic?

which was not [because they were long since left behind] a science decision. It was accountants all the way. Accountants decided that lifeboats were an expense. NOT ONE SCIENTIST WAS CONSULTED.

[hydrogen-filled] Hindenburg?

Again, not scientists. Engineers trying to appease politicians. National pride. Engineers agreeing with scientist, that it was too risky. But giving in to political pressure.

[ignore the warnings] Challenger?

The captain of HMS Challenger did not ignore any warnings. And the Challenger voyage successfully mapped the sea floor. The scientist on board were able to identify over a hundred new species of fish crab and worm, previously unknown.
What warnings did they ignore?

[waive the safety checks] Deepwater Horizon?

That was investors and CEOs. Again, NOT SCIENTISTS.

[let's get this into production] Florida Footbridge?

Huh? There are thousands of footbridges in Florida. None were built by scientists.
Scientists do not produce footbridges

[it's safe to go back home] L'Aquila?

Huh?
I'm not even able to translate this.

So why are you trying to blame scientists for events that had ziltch to do with them?

 

[Mr Laurier]

What changed their mind?

Political pressure. From politicians, who saw science as dangerous.

 

[Tinker Grey]

So why are you trying to blame scientists for events that had ziltch to do with them?

Because lying is all they have.

 

[Mr Laurier]

If it had been helium filled there would have been no fire, so probably none. As it stands, 36 people died when your Christian politicians came to the rescue.

Actually, in the 1930s, a large portion of American politicians were openly secular.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Politics didn't put hydrogen in vessel that was made for helium.

It did though.
The Nazis were so desperate to get their commercial zeppelins flying, they were willing to take a chance on using Hydrogen.
The engineers did try to add more safety measures. But this was not enough.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because lying is all they have.

Including L'Aquila, where scientists were put on trial?

 

[Mr Laurier]

So if the U.S. would have sold it to them ... against U.S. policy ... and they would have used it to break Article 198 of the Treaty of Versailles, then what?

Then zeppelin airships would be seen as a safe and effective way to travel. We might still be using them today.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Nazis were so desperate to get their commercial zeppelins flying, they were willing to take a chance on using Hydrogen.

What changed their minds?

 

[Astrid]

Because lying is all they have.

The more I see of it the shabbier they look.

I wonder how educated honest Christians feel.

 

[Astrid]

It did though.
The Nazis were so desperate to get their commercial zeppelins flying, they were willing to take a chance on using Hydrogen.
The engineers did try to add more safety measures. But this was not enough.

I guess it was kind of a freak accident but obviously
they knew it was risky.
People drive every day aware of the risk.
Those who are now maimed for life, if you
now said they could do it all over again, they
would never get in another car.

Worst I got was concussion and broken leg so
I'm still not clear on the risk.

 

[Mr Laurier]

What changed their minds?

The bad publicity following the Hindenburg disaster.

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess it was kind of a freak accident ...

So what made them quit flying them with hydrogen, if it was just a freak accident?