Creationists: Explain your understanding of microevolution and macroevolution

[AV1611VET]

Doesn't matter where or when they came from it was the microbial Eve.

Then microbial science is wrong.

 

[Direct Driver]

Demonstrate one (1) exception and you will
have a scientific revolution of the first order.

Proceed asap I want to get the Nobel myself.

Whenever I use the unsupported "opinions vary", I'm responding to a post that is also unsupported and simply a statement of opinion.

i.e. you first.

 

[Astrid]

Whenever I use the unsupported "opinions vary", I'm responding to a post that is also unsupported and simply a statement of opinion.

i.e. you first.

Unsupported?
How many examples do you need? Every creationist
post on CF is an example. Anything from AIG.
I can't list and deconstruct all of them.

All I want is one example of an honest informed anti
evolution post.
It would be Nobel stuff, as I said.

I suppose both our requests are equally impossible to
fill but for completely opposite reasons.

 

[Frank Robert]

Then microbial science is wrong.

It is not a theory that single celled organisms exist, our intestines are full of them.

 

[Direct Driver]

Unsupported?
How many examples do you need? Every creationist
post on CF is an example. Anything from AIG.
I can't list and deconstruct all of them.

All I want is one example of an honest informed anti
evolution post.
It would be Nobel stuff, as I said.

I suppose both our requests are equally impossible to
fill but for completely opposite reasons.

What do you mean by "anti-evolution"?

 

[Astrid]

What do you mean by "anti-evolution"?

Thats sloppy writing on my part.

I'm referring mainly to yecs who say ToE
is false. "Creationists "

 

[Direct Driver]

Thats sloppy writing on my part.

I'm referring mainly to yecs who say ToE
is false. "Creationists "

This is an example of how a lot of us Christians look at the whole thing. It's absurdly long, but It's all I have at this moment.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is an example of how a lot of us Christians look at the whole thing. It's absurdly long, but It's all I have at this moment.

I think Paul Bunyan was a Nephilim.

I can't prove it, of course, but then science can take a hike.

 

[Astrid]

This is an example of how a lot of us Christians look at the whole thing. It's absurdly long, but It's all I have at this moment.

Absurd and long isn't too appealing.
If you understand the main ideas you should
be able to summarize.

I stated that it is impossible to be well informed,
intellectually honest, and a creationist.

Same as for a flat earther, astrological, anti vaxxer, etc.

You asked for an example, I said, easy. All creationists.
Pick one.
If I may, you strike me as being entirely earnest.
No sign of dishonesty at all.
Informed, though, no. No more than I am about
basketball or hockey, or flying a Mig.

A video that tells me / you how you feel isn't so
relevant.
An example of an anti evolution person and statement
that you think is honest and true, that's what I am hoping for.

AND, believe it or not, if his words proved true,
it would be the most the most thrilling thing I
could imagine ever seeing with my living eyes.

Do you know of an honest and informed creationiet?

 

[Direct Driver]

Absurd and long isn't too appealing.
If you understand the main ideas you should
be able to summarize.

I stated that it is impossible to be well informed,
intellectually honest, and a creationist.

Same as for a flat earther, astrological, anti vaxxer, etc.

You asked for an example, I said, easy. All creationists.
Pick one.
If I may, you strike me as being entirely earnest.
No sign of dishonesty at all.
Informed, though, no. No more than I am about
basketball or hockey, or flying a Mig.

A video that tells me / you how you feel isn't so
relevant.
An example of an anti evolution person and statement
that you think is honest and true, that's what I am hoping for.

AND, believe it or not, if his words proved true,
it would be the most the most thrilling thing I
could imagine ever seeing with my living eyes.

Do you know of an honest and informed creationiet?

Make of it what you will. I'm done summarizing.

 

[Astrid]

Make of it what you will. I'm done summarizing.

And no example of a creationist with something
real to say.

 

[Direct Driver]

And no example of a creationist with something
real to say.

No. Rather, eventually I exit the endless argument loop and move on to other, more compelling stuff. Like I said in an earlier post, I've been sparring with people on this for several decades. There is no argument I've seen in this thread that I've not seen before and countered. But I've also learned that people are going to believe their particular respected authorities until reality shows them different, or God reveals himself to them, as he did me.

So you guys try to carry on without me. I said what needs to be said. That's why none of my posts since yesterday afternoon deal with the actual debate itself.

 

[Astrid]

No. Rather, eventually I exit the endless argument loop and move on to other, more compelling stuff. Like I said in an earlier post, I've been sparring with people on this for several decades. There is no argument I've seen in this thread that I've not seen before and countered. But I've also learned that people are going to believe their particular respected authorities until reality shows them different, or God reveals himself to them, as he did me.

So you guys try to carry on without me. I said what needs to be said. That's why none of my posts since yesterday afternoon deal with the actual debate itself.

Well, if God says you are Right, then I guess you
are infallible. Shouldda said that decades ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you know of an honest and informed creationiet?

I have a slew of challenge threads that show the opposite is just as true.

And I've been here long enough to know, that as soon as someone claims he's a six-day creationist, he'd better be well-informed on: biology, evolution, astronomy, geology, history, physics, zoology, cladistics, taxonomy, and thin-layer chromatography, or he's some kind of homeschooled religious nut.

 

[Direct Driver]

Well, if God says you are Right, then I guess you
are infallible. Shouldda said that decades ago.

To quote Jordan Peterson to Cathy Newsom, "No. That's not what I said."

 

[Speedwell]

No. Rather, eventually I exit the endless argument loop and move on to other, more compelling stuff. Like I said in an earlier post, I've been sparring with people on this for several decades. There is no argument I've seen in this thread that I've not seen before and countered. But I've also learned that people are going to believe their particular respected authorities until reality shows them different, or God reveals himself to them, as he did me.

Do you have any idea why God should reveal himself to billions but only reveal literal inerrancy (and creationism) to a select few? It seems cruel to tell billions that their faith in Christ will save them and then reveal only to a favored few Evangelical Protestants that faith in the literal inerrancy of Genesis is required as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

And no example of a creationist with something
real to say.

Here you go: My Apple Challenge

Let's see how ... (How did you put it?) ... intellectually honest you are.

Impress this science-can-take-a-hike creationist with your science and show me my question doesn't make sense.

Else ... well ... science can take a hike.

 

[Astrid]

To quote Jordan Peterson to Cathy Newsom, "No. That's not what I said."

Why make it a semantic game?

Ifn God says you are right then you are incapable of being
wrong, it's totally out of your hands.

Own it!

 

[Direct Driver]

Do you have any idea why God should reveal himself to billions but only reveal literal inerrancy (and creationism) to a select few? It seems cruel to tell billions that their faith in Christ will save them and then reveal only to a favored few Evangelical Protestants that faith in the literal inerrancy of Genesis is required as well.

That argument is literally centuries old, and answered for centuries. Google it for an answer.

 

[Direct Driver]

Why make it a semantic game?

Ifn God says you are right then you are incapable of being
wrong, it's totally out of your hands.

Own it!

I'm missing your point there.