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Sure there is. The actual rhyme, reason, or logic for bringing up sun worship or paganism within the Church was only to show their origins. This was only touched on in post # 2 and was not the main purpose of the post. The main purpose of post # 2 however, was to clear up a few misconception people may have about Sunday worship entering the Roman empire and the early Church. The purpose of this post was never to teach that the Church teaches sun-worship. Only that some practices in the Church have their origins from paganism and sun-worship.I see, so there’s no actual rhyme, reason, or logic for bringing up sun worship or paganism, no intention to imply that the church and her beliefs and practices were actually influenced or changed by these things, only that, incidentally and by happenstance the church chose the day of the sun to rest and and worship rather than the day of Saturn to do so.
No one said anyone teaches idol worship in the Church. What was posted to you was how is a Church making a claim of teaching God's ten commandments yet making idols and putting them in a Church and allowing people to bow down to them when Gods' commandments say not to do this? This is only at best breaking God's commandments according to the scriptures.No one worships idols in the Catholic Church, certainly not according to any church teaching.
Why follow teachings and traditions that are not biblical that go against scripture like the veneration and praying to dead so called saints, or incorporating pagan icons into the Church and encouraging people to break God's "seventh day" Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments in favor of a man-made teaching and traditions that has led many to break the commandments of God?
Knowingly breaking anyone of God's 10 commandment is sin according to the scriptures and Jesus (not me) says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. So if Jesus says it then it certainly sounds like a deal breaker in my view. Let's be honest here as these words are not mine but Gods. Do you believe them? If not why?
Yet the Church continues making idols and people continue bowing down to them in the church which is against the scriptures. Gods' earthly temple of which was only a copy of the heavenly in the old covenant is not the church according to the scriptures.There was controversy surrounding graven images that was addressed centuries ago at council and it was recognized and acknowledged back then that the command against fashioning graven images was consistent with all the first commandments against worshipping anyone or anything but God alone, first above all else. The Jews had been influenced by paganism to fashion golden calves, for example, and then bow down before and worship them. That concept is totally foreign and objectionable within a Catholic church. The production of statues and paintings or icons is no different from the cherubim that God commissioned to be made for the ark of the covenant or Moses' bronze serpent; they're not objects of worship.
Then we have this in the Church today...
You cannot see anything wrong here dear friend?
FROM THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
Exodus 20:3-5 [3], You shall have no other gods before me. [4], You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. [5], You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me
Something to pray about I guess. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. I see the above as not believing and following Gods' word so must go with my conviction and belief to follow God's Word. I believe God is calling his people out from following these traditions back to worship Him in Spirit and in truth back to the pure Word of God. I believe there are many Godly people in the Roman Catholic Church and all Churches for that matter. God is calling all of us back to His Word.
The reason for the reformation was because the mother Church had departed the word of God in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God.And God is always calling His people to renewal and increased holiness-and chastising His people who's sins will be made known. The church will always consist of sinners and saints. We don't need to add more churches because of it tho. What we have here is the case of people reading and interpreting the Bible centuries after the fact and deciding, on that basis alone, God’s will for man, vs also considering the lived experience of the church He established. The practice of Sunday worship didn’t happen in a vacuum, nor did it consist of a sudden, blatant, about-face. Rather it was “inherited”, so to speak, by the church from early on. And Scripture can well be vague or silent on the topic; it was never intended to serve as some kind of exhaustive catechism which is why many beliefs and practices are not perfectly explicit in the Bible. And those early believers were not ignorant of the Old Testament, or the Old Covenant, or the "old way", nor was anyone then or later filled with evil intentions to corrupt church teachings or practice licentiousness. They were simply free, within boundaries, to live their relationship with God in a new way, the right way.
I do agree with you however in that this same Protestantism as we see today is no different to the mother Church it departed from so many years ago. This is why the scriptures teach that BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:8-12 and Revelation 18:1-5. I believe God has his people in every Church who are living up to all the knowledge of Gods Word that he has revealed to them and in times of ignorance God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word calls all men everywhere to believe and follow them *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; James 4:17.
God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling his people where ever they may be to come out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God. God's sheep will hear his Voice (the Word of God) and follow him. Those who will not hear will not follow *John 10:26-27.
Sent only in love and as a help.
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