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Can you explain in simple English what the SDA church defines as the correct way to keep the sabbath and obey the 4th commandment please list all relevant scriptures
Hi EJ and welcome nice to meet you and thanks for joining us :).

You sound remarkably like someone else I know or did know, or do you have another account or alias here?

In answer to your question as to how the Sabbath is kept from scripture well you have to first prayerfully read and understand what God's 4th commandment says, but from the scriptures this is what I have found...

HOW DO WE KEEP THE SABBATH?

WHAT DOES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT SAY?

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

WHAT DAY IS GOD'S SABBATH?

v10 The SEVENTH DAY of the week. (Saturday)

WHEN DOES THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK START?

GENESIS 1:4-5
[4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5], And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A day in God's time is the night (darkness) and the light make up one day. The DAY in God's WORD starts at SUNSET and ends the following SUNSET. So God's 4th Commandment Sabbath would start Friday at SUNSET and end Saturday at SUNSET.

ALL UNNECESSARY WORK TO BE DONE BEFORE FRIDAY SUNSET

EXODUS 16:22-23
[22], And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
[23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to the LORD: bake that which you will bake to day, and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD ON THE SABBATH?

MATTHEW 12:5-12
[5], Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day
[9], And when he was departed from there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man who had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

MARK 2:27, And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

WHAT IS LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

1. Remembering the creator and his creation (Exod 20:8-11)
2. Rest from all unnecessary work (Ecodus 20:10-11)
3. Doing good (Matt 12:12)
4. Prayer (Acts 16:13; Matt 21:13)
5. Worship the creator (Isaiah 58:13-14; Ex 34:14; 1KING 9:6; Rev 14:6-12)

Song, praise, bible study, helping others, preaching the gospel, resting, prayer, seeking God, remembering the creator and his creation. Walking in nature, going to church with like minded believers. (too many scriptures)

WHAT IS NOT LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

WORK; all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week and anything to do with work (Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 16:22-23; Matthew 21:13).

.............

There is no purpose in FOLLOWING any of God's Laws of course including the SABBATH if it is not done through faith that works by love because it is only as GOD writes his law to love on the heart in those who believe God's Word (Romans 13:8-10) that is Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12

Hope this is helpful
 
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The Sabbath is still Saturday and binding upon all Jews as per the everlasting Covenant God made with that nation. Gentiles are not bound to teh Sabbath. It is not found anywhere in the bible.

Not really dear friend. Perhaps you need a new bible?

Romans 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARD IN THE FLESH: [29], But HE IS A JEW, WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

You are free of course to believe as you wish. For me, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

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Hi EJ and welcome nice to meet you and thanks for joining us :).

You sound remarkably like someone else I know or did know, or do you have another account or alias here?

In answer to your question as to how the Sabbath is kept from scripture well you have to first prayerfully read and understand what God's 4th commandment says, but from the scriptures this is what I have found...

HOW DO WE KEEP THE SABBATH?

WHAT DOES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT SAY?

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

WHAT DAY IS GOD'S SABBATH?

v10 The SEVENTH DAY of the week. (Saturday)

WHEN DOES THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK START?

GENESIS 1:4-5
[4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5], And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A day in God's time is the night (darkness) and the light make up one day. The DAY in God's WORD starts at SUNSET and ends the following SUNSET. So God's 4th Commandment Sabbath would start Friday at SUNSET and end Saturday at SUNSET.

ALL UNNECESSARY WORK TO BE DONE BEFORE FRIDAY SUNSET

EXODUS 16:22-23
[22], And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
[23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to the LORD: bake that which you will bake to day, and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD ON THE SABBATH?

MATTHEW 12:5-12
[5], Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day
[9], And when he was departed from there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man who had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

MARK 2:27, And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

WHAT IS LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

1. Remembering the creator and his creation (Exod 20:8-11)
2. Rest from all unnecessary work (Ecodus 20:10-11)
3. Doing good (Matt 12:12)
4. Prayer (Acts 16:13; Matt 21:13)
5. Worship the creator (Isaiah 58:13-14; Ex 34:14; 1KING 9:6; Rev 14:6-12)

Song, praise, bible study, helping others, preaching the gospel, resting, prayer, seeking God, remembering the creator and his creation. Walking in nature, going to church with like minded believers. (too many scriptures)

WHAT IS NOT LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

WORK; all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week and anything to do with work (Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 16:22-23; Matthew 21:13).

.............

There is no purpose in FOLLOWING any of God's Laws of course including the SABBATH if it is not done through faith that works by love because it is only as GOD writes his law to love on the heart in those who believe God's Word (Romans 13:8-10) that is Gods new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12

Hope this is helpful
Thank you
I have more questions for a later date
 
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Not the Mosaic with teh ten written in stone which minister death, but as Paul called it the Law of Christ. Those are the ones I obey to show that Jesus made me righteous! It is the 1008 commands of the New I boey!

( of the ten written in stone have been carried over. but the Sabbath was not! as Paul said:

Romans 14:4-7
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4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

First you say you are not under the law...then you say: "Not the Mosaic with the ten written in stone which minister death, but as Paul called it the Law of Christ. Those are the ones I obey to show that Jesus made me righteous! It is the 1008 commands of the New I obey!"...then you say: "9 of the ten written in stone have been carried over. but the Sabbath was not!"...so who IS cherry picking? Make up your mind! BTW, the quote from Paul above you posted is about fasting...
 
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Thiose are commands from the Father so do you keepo them or have found your own dance to by pass them but yet tell others they need to kepp the fathers commands?

No one can keep all the commandments, but that is not the point. I asked you a question and you interrogate me. Do YOU believe His commandments are different than His Father (or The Spirit since you say you are under the law of The Spirit)??? A divided house can NOT stand...
 
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Paul in Romans 8 called it teh law of the Spirit.

But in reality I am under Christ for salvation and righteousness and perfection. I guess I cannot answer specifically because I am not sure you mean by being under. I am not under th elaw for anything.

I obey the commands of teh New Testament as proof I am righteous and saved and holy etc.etc.etc. but I do not know what you mean by being under the law.

Do you not sin then? Sin is the transgression of the law. The wages of sin is death. Death is the CURSE of the Law (Paul's "ministration of death"). The CURSE has been taken away, not the Law. Yeshua became a CURSE for us when He hung on the tree.
 
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No it is not Scripture but the Word of "lovesGodsword " that calls all who believe "Gods Israel"
Well thank you for the compliments dear friend, but no I cannot take any credit for the scriptures shared with you in post # 257 linked and elsewhere, as they are God's Word not mine that says God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow God's Word in the new covenant and we are all now one in Christ in the new covenant promise. *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Romans 11:13-27; Hebrews 8:10-12. Sorry dear friend these are Gods' Word not mine but it seems you do not believe them because they disagree with your teachings? Of course you are free to believe as you wish. I prefer the bible so there can be no agreement with us here. So we will have to agree to disagree.
So you believe that right now "blindness in part" has happened to some of those who believe then. That is what is written in Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"

So let us translate this according to yuor definitions.

For I would not have you be ignorant of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to those who believe and follow Gods Word, until the fulness of the Gentiles (who are they?) be come in. and so all those who believe and follow Gods word shall be saved.

Shouldd we retranslate the rest of this chapter and substitute "those who believe and follow Gods Word" with all the personal pronouns that refer to Israel?
No. If they believed and followed God's Word then the would not be blind. These were "unbelieving ISRAEL" who were the branches that were broken off (cast out of God's ISRAEL) that Gentile believers can be grafted in. Read the scripture context your leaving out which is found in Romans 11:16-22.

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So you believe the new covenant is in effect then.

Let us look at the new Covenant God said He would make.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

So according to you:

All the house of Israel and Judah no wwhave the following:

1. the law of god is written in the hearts of the whole house of Israel and Judah.
2. god is their God and they are His people,
3. Everyone in the house of Judah and Israel knows the Lord from the least to the greatest.
4. God no longer remembers the sins of the whole house of Israel and Judah.

Glad to know you r belief then.

Absolutely dear friend, Truly truly JESUS says to us unless we are born again we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven *John 3:3-7. John says those who are born again do not practice sin in 1 John 3:6-9 and those who do have neither seen him or know him and are not being truthful in 1 John 2:3-4. This is God's new covenant promise from Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. God's salvation is from sin not to continue practicing sin *John 8:31-36.
 
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You will find out differently to your shame and sorrow.

Time will tell dear friend. Gods' Word are God's they are not mine. Of course you are free to believe as you wish and I do not judge you and you should not judge me *Romans 2:1-13 as we all answer only to God come judgement day for the words of God we accept or reject *John 12:47-48

But for the record :

Galatians 6:16
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Paul is asking a blessing upon two groups of believers here:

Thise who walk according to this rule and also to the Israel of God. The Israel of God has been, is and always will be the faithful remnant of Jews in all ages as Paul unambiguously declared in Romans 11.

Have a mwerry Christmas I will be vack on the 31st.

Actually no. Galatians 6:16 is talking to "believers" not "unbelievers". Gods Israel according to the new covenant scriptures *Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Romans 11:13-27; Hebrews 8:10-12 is defined as all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *John 10:26-27. Gentiles are now grafted in according to Romans 11:13-27. If we are now a part of Gods' Israel we have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12.

Keep well :wave:
 
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Your welcome EJ. May God bless you as you seek him through his Word. :wave:
Hi
Locally there is a fairly new radio station called Three ABN and occasionally I listen to it ( they have wonderful health programs) and I think I heard all of the following on various programs, so.......

More questions,
The Pope is the one who thinks to change times and laws (Dan 7:25) and changed the Old Testament Jewish Sabbath to Sunday,
is that correct?

No man has the authority to change God’s Word, not even a little.
Is that correct?

The Pope’s decree to change the day of worship to Sunday constitutes the mark of the beast, (Rev 13) and all who keep Sabbath on Sunday have that mark. Is that correct?

All those who keep the seventh day Sabbath completely as outlined in the Old Testament have the seal of God. (Rev 7)
Is that correct?

Some day soon, there will be a universal law requiring all to rest on Sunday and all work and commerce will be outlawed. If anyone does not abide by this law they will not be able to buy or sell. Ellen White first prophesied this sometime in the 1800s.
Is that correct?

That’s all for now
(PS we also have an EWTN radio station not far away I listen to occasionally, so I’m trying to understand it all and miss nothing but sometimes the messages are confusing. I don’t have a TV so I read a lot and occasionally listen as I drive. I have formed a conclusion, but I want to be open to correction if I’m proven wrong)
 
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Hi
Locally there is a fairly new radio station called Three ABN and occasionally I listen to it ( they have wonderful health programs) and I think I heard all of the following on various programs, so.......

More questions,
The Pope is the one who thinks to change times and laws (Dan 7:25) and changed the Old Testament Jewish Sabbath to Sunday,
is that correct?

No man has the authority to change God’s Word, not even a little.
Is that correct?

The Pope’s decree to change the day of worship to Sunday constitutes the mark of the beast, (Rev 13) and all who keep Sabbath on Sunday have that mark. Is that correct?

All those who keep the seventh day Sabbath completely as outlined in the Old Testament have the seal of God. (Rev 7)
Is that correct?

Some day soon, there will be a universal law requiring all to rest on Sunday and all work and commerce will be outlawed. If anyone does not abide by this law they will not be able to buy or sell. Ellen White first prophesied this sometime in the 1800s.
Is that correct?

That’s all for now
(PS we also have an EWTN radio station not far away I listen to occasionally, so I’m trying to understand it all and miss nothing but sometimes the messages are confusing. I don’t have a TV so I read a lot and occasionally listen as I drive. I have formed a conclusion, but I want to be open to correction if I’m proven wrong)
I would like to respond to both of your posts when I have a little more time. In the meantime, I would like to provide a great resource for you at AmazingFacts.com. There is a comprehensive media area you can watch online and search for just about any topic. The pastor Doug Bachelor, I have been listening to him for decades and I really like his style of preaching. He is more of an educator and talks to you instead of at you, everything backed up with scripture. I really receive a lot of blessings from his sermons both online and in person when I lived near his church. He recently completed a Revelation series found here Program Archives | Revelation Now it is one of the best series on the topic and answers a lot of questions you are asking here.

I hope this help, will write more later. God bless.
 
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I would like to respond to both of your posts when I have a little more time. In the meantime, I would like to provide a great resource for you at AmazingFacts.com. There is a comprehensive media area you can watch online and search for just about any topic. The pastor Doug Bachelor, I have been listening to him for decades and I really like his style of preaching. He is more of an educator and talks to you instead of at you, everything backed up with scripture. I really receive a lot of blessings from his sermons both online and in person when I lived near his church. He recently completed a Revelation series found here Program Archives | Revelation Now it is one of the best series on the topic and answers a lot of questions you are asking here.

I hope this help, will write more later. God bless.

Hello
I believe the Bachelor guy preaches on Three ABN sometimes so I’m sure I heard him.
Thanks
 
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I believe the Bachelor guy preaches on Three ABN sometimes so I’m sure I heard him.
Thanks
Yes, Pastor Doug is on 3ABN fairly regularly. There are a lot of good speakers on 3ABN. I like Mark Finley, Ted C Wilson, Ben Carson was featured on 3 ABN which I always enjoy his story. What speakers are you enjoying so far?
 
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Yes, Pastor Doug is on 3ABN fairly regularly. There are a lot of good speakers on 3ABN. I like Mark Finley, Ted C Wilson, Ben Carson was featured on 3 ABN which I always enjoy his story. What speakers are you enjoying so far?
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I don’t listen all that much so I don’t remember names to well.
I like the health programs.
 
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I don’t listen all that much so I don’t remember names to well.
I like the health programs.
I'll have to check some of the heath programs out on 3 ABN. I have listened to several by Pastor Doug but haven't checked out the some of the others health programs yet on 3 ABN.

Also to answer your question about SDA and Sabbath, this is the official church statement and belief on Gods Sabbath:

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)
 
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Hi Locally there is a fairly new radio station called Three ABN and occasionally I listen to it ( they have wonderful health programs) and I think I heard all of the following on various programs, so.......
Hi EJM, yes I know of that radio station.
More questions, The Pope is the one who thinks to change times and laws (Dan 7:25) and changed the Old Testament Jewish Sabbath to Sunday, is that correct? No man has the authority to change God’s Word, not even a little. Is that correct?

Great questions EJM, to answer your question more fully, there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath that is not biblical. The reason being is that according to the very Words of JESUS, the Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27 and he is the Lord and creator of it *Mark 2:28; John 1:1-4; 14. There was no JEW, no Israel, no law and no Moses when God made the Sabbath on the "seventh day" of the creation week according to the scriptures in Genesis 2:1-3.

As to Daniel 7:25 which is talking about the "little horn" (Daniel 7:20). There is two phases to the fourth beast (Romans Empire) the horns represent rulers of the Roman (pagan) empire *Daniel 7:24 while the small one that is stouter and different to the others represents papal (religious) Rome or the Romans Catholic Church as we know it today. It is said in Daniel 7:25 that this power would speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The Christians during the apostolic era, from about 35 to 100 A.D., kept Sabbath on the designated seventh day of the week. For the first 300 years of Christian history, when the Roman emperors regarded themselves as gods, Christianity became an “illegal religion,” and God’s people were scattered abroad (Acts 8:1). Judaism, however, was regarded at that time as “legal,” as long as they obeyed Roman laws. Thus, during the apostolic era, Christians found it convenient to let the Roman authorities think of them as Jews, which gained them legitimacy with the Roman government.

However, when the Jews rebelled against Rome, the Romans put down their rebellion by destroying Jerusalem in A.D. 70 and again in A.D. 135. Obviously, the Roman government’s suppression of the Jews made it increasingly uncomfortable for Christians to be thought of as Jewish. At that time, Sunday was the rest day of the Roman Empire, whose religion was Mithraism, a form of sun worship. Since Sabbath observance is visible to others, some Christians in the early second century sought to distance themselves from Judaism by observing a different day, thus “blending in” to the society around them.

During the Empire-wide Christian persecutions under Nero, Maximin, Diocletian, and Galerius, Sabbath-keeping Christians were hunted down, tortured, and, for sport, often used for entertainment in the Colosseum.

When Emperor Constantine I—a pagan sun-worshipper—came to power in A.D. 313, he legalized Christianity and made the first Sunday-keeping law. His infamous Sunday enforcement law of March 7, A.D. 321, reads as follows:

“On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1.)

The Sunday law was latter officially confirmed by the Roman Papacy. The Council of Laodicea in A.D. 364 decreed,

“Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ” (Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 [Edinburgh, 1876] 316).

Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.”

Again, “The Catholic Church, … by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893).

“Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).

The Catholic Church claims that “the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923).

So this change was started gradually under pagan Rome (although pagan Rome did not change the Sabbath in Christianity) under Constantine first as a civil law (see post # 2 linked for historical records). When on March 7, 321, however, Roman Emperor Constantine I issued a civil decree making Sunday a day of rest

While established only in civil law rather than religious principle, the Church welcomed the development as a means by which Christians could the more easily attend Sunday worship and observe Christian rest. At Laodicea also, the Church encouraged Christians to make use of the day for Christian rest where possible, without ascribing to it any of the regulation of Mosaic Law, and indeed anathematizing Hebrew observance on the Sabbath. The civil law and its effects made possible a pattern in Church life that has been imitated throughout the centuries in many places and cultures, wherever possible. {Wiki}

In those early times the Church only included the Roman Catholic Church of the west and the Eastern Orthodox Church (EOC) ) which the Romans Catholic church eventually separated from (the EOC still keeps God's seventh day Sabbath today).

Anyhow some time latter we see the continued departure of the Roman Catholic Church from scripture in favor of man made teachings and traditions which led to the great reformation which much of Protestantism has its origin today. Hence the unbiblical claim to "Sunday" being "the Lords day" and the replacement of the true Christian Sabbath of God's 4th commandment being handed down to Christianity today.
The Pope’s decree to change the day of worship to Sunday constitutes the mark of the beast, (Rev 13) and all who keep Sabbath on Sunday have that mark. Is that correct?
No dear friend, That is a misconception and a falsehood. According to God's Word no one is held accountable to sin until they have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it in order to continue in known unrepentant sin *James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31; Hebrews 10:26-31. God's people according to the scriptures are in every church living up to all the light of God's Word he has revealed to them *John 10:16. The hour is coming and now is according to the scriptures that God's true people (where ever they may be) will worship Him in Spirit and in truth as God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling us all out from following man-made teachings that break the commandments of God back to his Word alone to worship Him according to his Word *Revelation 18:1-5. JESUS says those who knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. No one according to the scripture receives the "mark of the beast" until they have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it once Sunday worship becomes enforced on people *Revelation 13:15-18; Revelation 14:8-12. These Sunday laws are already on the books in the USA called "Blue Laws"
at the moment they are not enforced under prosecution but are dormant and can be re-enacted at any time.
All those who keep the seventh day Sabbath completely as outlined in the Old Testament have the seal of God. (Rev 7) Is that correct?
Correct. The seal of God represents God's Spirit who is given to those who worship God in Spirit and in truth (2 Corinthians 1:22; Hebrews 8:10-12; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 4:30; John 6:63; John 17:17; Revelations 7:3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-10; James 2:10-11)
Some day soon, there will be a universal law requiring all to rest on Sunday and all work and commerce will be outlawed. If anyone does not abide by this law they will not be able to buy or sell. Ellen White first prophesied this sometime in the 1800s. Is that correct?
This is based on the scriptures from the books of Danial and Revelation (beastsmark.com) *Revelation 13:15-18 and Revelation 14:6-12. As posted above no one according to the scripture receives the "mark of the beast" until they have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it once Sunday worship becomes enforced on people. These Sunday laws are already on the books in the USA called "Blue Laws" at the moment they are not enforced under prosecution but are dormant and can be re-enacted at any time.
That’s all for now (PS we also have an EWTN radio station not far away I listen to occasionally, so I’m trying to understand it all and miss nothing but sometimes the messages are confusing. I don’t have a TV so I read a lot and occasionally listen as I drive. I have formed a conclusion, but I want to be open to correction if I’m proven wrong)
Good for you EJM, always remember though to always prayerfully seek God's guidance asking him to be your guide and teacher according to his promises in *John 14:26; John 16:13; 1 John 2:27 etc. Also, if you are interested in the prophecies have a look at beastsmark.com. It is the Sabbath my time now so happy Sabbath

Hope this is helpful
 
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