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Worshiped Jesus on Sunday.According to the scriptures all the Apostles and disciples kept Gods' Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment and worshiped God everyday.
ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 2:46-47 [46], And THEY CONTINUED DAILY WITH ONE ACCORD in the temple, AND BREAKING BREAD FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE, DID EAT THEIR MEAT WITH GLADNESS AND SINGLENESS OF HEART, [47], PRAISING GOD, AND HAVING FAVOR WITH ALL THE PEOPLE. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Please go back and review. I'm not going around in circles.Scripture is indeed God's Word and inspired by God and the standard of all doctrine whether a teaching is from God or not from God *2 TIMOTHY 3:16; 1 JOHN 4:1.
Well that is not true. Please post the link or the scripture perhaps I missed it? The OP is asking for scripture that proves that Sunday is "the Lords day". You have not provided any scripture proving Sunday is "the Lords day". The scriptures says that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day *MATTHEW 12:8. What scripture did you provide proving that Sunday or the first day of the week is the Lords day? - none. For me according to the scriptures, only Gods' Word is true *ROMANS 3:4 and we should believe and follow it *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29 and you or your friends have not provided any that proves that "the Lords day" is Sunday.
Our Traditions are not man-made. They are inspired by the Holy Spirit, and that, my friend, is Jesus' own words. Jesus told his apostles that he must die so that the Holy Spirit could come to guide them in all truth. The Holy Spirit tells us when we should worship Jesus.Well that is not true Jesse. The OP is simply asking for scripture that proves Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" because there is no scripture because Sunday worship is a man-made teachings and tradition that is not biblical. There is no scripture saying that God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday (or the first day of the week) as a Holy day.
Well, this is true. But we're not breaking any commandments by worshiping Christ on Sunday.I do not need to show you that worshiping JESUS on Sunday breaks any of God's commandment as that has never been my argument. We should worship God everyday of the week *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 2:46-47. God's 4th commandment however is one of God's 10 commandments that he commands his people to keep as a Holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and God as the creator of heaven and earth *EXODUS 20:8-11.
You're right, but your numbering changed from the original.According to the scriptures, there are 10 commandments in God's 10 commandments...
Yes. It's YOUR numbering that's wrong.EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote on the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
By your numbering system, which is not Biblical...DEUTERONOMY 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them on two tables of stone.
DEUTERONOMY 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke to you in the mount out of the middle of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them to me.
God's 4th commandment is in EXODUS 20:8-11
By declaring something good, it explicitly means God blessed it.Why would you say that? God declaring something is good is declaring something is good. Your claim was that when God says something is good means that he "blessed it". Which is not biblical as shown through the scriptures and the Hebrew word meanings previously shown. You stating that this is funny when only scripture has been provided does not really help your case. So no God's Word does not teach anywhere that God blessed everyday. God's Word only teaches that God "blessed" the "seventh day" at creation in GENESIS 2:1-3.
The problem with your logic is that there is more to the Word of God than the Bible (which, by the way, was compiled by the Catholic Church). The very contents of the Bible is a Sacred Tradition, which you disparage as tradition of men. The Doctrine of the Trinity is also part of that "tradition of men". Without the Catholic Church, you would not have the Bible.Indeed, time to leave the man made teachings and traditions of men and return back to the pure Word of God. I believe you all are my brothers and sisters and that God's people are in all churches living up to all the light that God has revealed to them. The hour is coming and now is however that God is calling his people wherever they may be OUT FROM FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS AND TRADITIONS OF MEN back to the pure words of GOD alone. God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 10:17; JOHN 4:23-24
The same can be said for all that you have posted.If your going to post other peoples work please post your source. All that is posted here is references to writings outside of the scriptures that is not biblical. Your challenge in this OP is to provide a single scripture that proves that "the Lords day" in REVELATION 1:10 is Sunday or the first day of the week. Let's be honest. You or anyone else here have not been able to provide a single scripture showing that Sunday is "the Lords day" have you? Yet through the scriptures alone Gods' Word (not mine) says that "the Lords day" is the Sabbath day *MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28. I have never argued that "the Lords day" is "the day of the Lords".
The Apostles and disciples after the death of JESUS worshiped God everyday according to the scriptures in ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 2:46-47. That does not make everyday a holy day that God blessed and sets apart and commands us to keep as a holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and celebration of God as the creator now does it JESSE *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27; EXODUS 20:8-11?Worshiped Jesus on Sunday.
No need as I know that what you claimed earlier was not true and there is no link to where you have provided scripture proving "Sunday" is "the Lords day". That is why I asked you to provide the link. The OP is asking for scripture that proves that Sunday is "the Lords day". You have not provided any scripture proving Sunday is "the Lords day". The scriptures say that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day *MATTHEW 12:8. What scripture did you provide proving that Sunday or the first day of the week is the Lords day? - none. For me according to the scriptures, only Gods' Word is true *ROMANS 3:4 and we should believe and follow it *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29 and you or your friends have not provided any that proves that "the Lords day" is Sunday.Please go back and review. I'm not going around in circles.
I respectfully disagree. Please show me the scriptures that say God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day? If you cannot then all you have is a man-made teaching and tradition. JESUS warns us about following man made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God in MATTHEW 15:3-9.Our Traditions are not man-made.
A man-made tradition or teaching that lead us to depart from God's Word and break his commandments are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. According to the scriptures God's children do not practice sin, please see 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9.They are inspired by the Holy Spirit, and that, my friend, is Jesus' own words.
Indeed, although the Spirit is the Spirit of truth *JOHN 16:13 and it is God's Word that the Spirit works through and that we are saved by as we believe them *JOHN 17:17. God's Spirit does not disagree with Gods' Word.Jesus told his apostles that he must die so that the Holy Spirit could come to guide them in all truth.
Indeed and God's Spirit tells us when we should rest and do no work and commands us to keep the "seventh day" as a Holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of Heaven and earth in Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.The Holy Spirit tells us when we should worship Jesus.
We do not break God's commandments by worshiping God on any day of the week. We break God's commandments and commit sin by not doing what God asks us to do in the 10 Commandments *EXODUS 20:1-17; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.Well, this is true. But we're not breaking any commandments by worshiping Christ on Sunday.
Of course I am right as I have only provided scripture showing that there are 10 commandments in the 10 commandments and God's 4th commandment which is the Sabbath commandment is one of them. These are God's Word not mine and they have not been changed from the original. *EXODUS 20:8-11.You're right, but your numbering changed from the original.
I respectfully disagree and claim it is the Roman Catholic Church's numbering of the 10 commandments that is wrong and not biblical. Your welcome to prove your claims. Your statements in this regard is unsupported by evidence. You have already been provided scripture evidence showing that there are 10 commandments in EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13;DEUTERONOMY 10:4 and that God's 4th commandment is written in EXODUS 20:8-11. Even if that numbering system was wrong (which it isn't) it would only be a distraction as God's seventh day Sabbath is still one of God's 10 commandments and according to the scriptures if we knowingly break and one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.It's YOUR numbering that's wrong. By your numbering system, which is not Biblical...
Not according to the scriptures. God saying something is good in GENESIS 1 is not the same as God blessing the seventh day of creation but let me prove why. The Hebrew words used in GENESIS for good and bless or blessed have different meanings. For example the Hebrew word translated as "good" is טוב; ṭôb (H2896)By declaring something good, it explicitly means God blessed it.
There is no problem with my logic dear friend as I have only provided you with God's Word and God's Word is not my words but God's Word. In response you provide your words which are not God's Word but your words. According to the scriptures he who God sends speaks the Word of God and God does not give the Spirit by measure unto him *JOHN 3:34. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29. God is calling us dear friend to leave the teachings and traditions of men that break his commandments and seek him and return to him through his Word.The problem with your logic is that there is more to the Word of God than the Bible (which, by the way, was compiled by the Catholic Church). The very contents of the Bible is a Sacred Tradition, which you disparage as tradition of men. The Doctrine of the Trinity is also part of that "tradition of men". Without the Catholic Church, you would not have the Bible.
Not really dear friend. What is it that I have posted that is not my own work or that I have not provided references to when sharing other peoples work? Can you please show me in case I have missed something and need to provide a source. If I have only provided my own work or referenced others why do you claim I have not?The same can be said for all that you have posted.
So Jesus' closest associates worshiped God every day but that doesn't make every day a holy day? "This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it." And yet, they remembered Jesus and His sacrifice for us on Sunday!The Apostles and disciples after the death of JESUS worshiped God everyday according to the scriptures in ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 2:46-47. That does not make everyday a holy day that God blessed and sets apart and commands us to keep as a holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and celebration of God as the creator now does it JESSE *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27; EXODUS 20:8-11?
Please review. I'm not going to explain it again, especially onto deaf ears.No need as I know that what you claimed earlier was not true and there is no link to where you have provided scripture proving "Sunday" is "the Lords day". That is why I asked you to provide the link. The OP is asking for scripture that proves that Sunday is "the Lords day". You have not provided any scripture proving Sunday is "the Lords day". The scriptures say that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day *MATTHEW 12:8. What scripture did you provide proving that Sunday or the first day of the week is the Lords day? - none. For me according to the scriptures, only Gods' Word is true *ROMANS 3:4 and we should believe and follow it *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29 and you or your friends have not provided any that proves that "the Lords day" is Sunday.
I have repeatedly stated that God's commandments have not been abolished. So you're disagreeing about nothing. See what I mean? Deaf. Ears.I respectfully disagree. Please show me the scriptures that say God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day? If you cannot then all you have is a man-made teaching and tradition. JESUS warns us about following man made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God in MATTHEW 15:3-9.
There is no such Sacred Tradition that breaks the Commandments or departs from His Word. Just keep in mind, His Word is not limited to Sacred Scripture. Again, deaf ears.A man-made tradition or teaching that lead us to depart from God's Word and break his commandments are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. According to the scriptures God's children do not practice sin, please see 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6-9.
You're right. And there is no Sacred Tradition which disagrees with God's Word.Indeed, although the Spirit is the Spirit of truth *JOHN 16:13 and it is God's Word that the Spirit works through and that we are saved by as we believe them *JOHN 17:17. God's Spirit does not disagree with Gods' Word.
Again, I agree that we should rest and do no work. In this way, we would be keeping the Holy rest. Then we can worship Christ on Sunday!Indeed and God's Spirit tells us when we should rest and do no work and commands us to keep the "seventh day" as a Holy day of rest as a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of Heaven and earth in Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.
So...we do not break God's commandments!We do not break God's commandments by worshiping God on any day of the week. We break God's commandments and commit sin by not doing what God asks us to do in the 10 Commandments *EXODUS 20:1-17; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.
Well, your numbering is not what it was for 1500 years, but otherwise, you're right.Of course I am right as I have only provided scripture showing that there are 10 commandments in the 10 commandments and God's 4th commandment which is the Sabbath commandment is one of them. These are God's Word not mine and they have not been changed from the original. *EXODUS 20:8-11.
Where is there any numbering of the 10 Commandments in Scripture? We number them this way because of Sacred Tradition. You renumbered them because of a man-made tradition.I respectfully disagree and claim it is the Roman Catholic Church's numbering of the 10 commandments that is wrong and not biblical. Your welcome to prove your claims. Your statements in this regard is unsupported by evidence. You have already been provided scripture evidence showing that there are 10 commandments in EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13;DEUTERONOMY 10:4 and that God's 4th commandment is written in EXODUS 20:8-11. Even if that numbering system was wrong (which it isn't) it would only be a distraction as God's seventh day Sabbath is still one of God's 10 commandments and according to the scriptures if we knowingly break and one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11.
The only problem with your logic is that it is not what the logic of legitimate authority shows to be true. But that's the nature of being a PROTESTant.Not according to the scriptures. God saying something is good in GENESIS 1 is not the same as God blessing the seventh day of creation but let me prove why. The Hebrew words used in GENESIS for good and bless or blessed have different meanings. For example the Hebrew word translated as "good" is טוב; ṭôb (H2896)
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H2896
Good; טוב; ṭôb From H2895; good (as an adjective) in the widest sense; used likewise as a noun, both in the masculine and the feminine, the singular and the plural (good, a good or good thing, a good man or woman; the good, goods or good things, good men or women), also as an adverb (well): - beautiful, best, better, bountiful, cheerful, at ease, X fair (word), (be in) favour, fine, glad, good (deed, -lier, liest, -ly, -ness, -s), graciously, joyful, kindly, kindness, liketh (best), loving, merry, X most, pleasant, + pleaseth, pleasure, precious, prosperity, ready, sweet, wealth, welfare, (be) well ([-favoured]).
As shown above the Hebrew word for "good" does not mean to bless while the Hebrew word for "bless" is בּרך; bârak (H1288)
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H1288
Bless or blessed; בּרך; bârak; A primitive root; to kneel ; by implication to bless God (as an act of adoration), and (vice-versa) man (as a benefit); also (by euphemism) to curse (God or the king, as treason): - X abundantly, X altogether, X at all, blaspheme, bless, congratulate, curse, X greatly, X indeed, kneel (down), praise, salute, X still, thank.
GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And on the SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and SANCTIFIED IT: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
So no dear friend your not correct. God's Word does not teach anywhere that God blessed everyday. That statement is unbiblical. God's Word only teaches that God "blessed" the "seventh day" and set apart the "seventh day" as a Holy day of rest for all mankind at creation in GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27.
There is no problem with my logic dear friend as I have only provided you with God's Word and God's Word is not my words but God's Word. In response you provide your words which are not God's Word but your words. According to the scriptures he who God sends speaks the Word of God and God does not give the Spirit by measure unto him *JOHN 3:34. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29. God is calling us dear friend to leave the teachings and traditions of men that break his commandments and seek him and return to him through his Word.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
Hi Daniel nice to see you. Where in Romans 14 is it talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath?Romans 14
So Jesus' closest associates worshiped God every day but that doesn't make every day a holy day?
As posted earlier, there is no need as I know that what you claimed earlier was not true and there is no link to where you have provided scripture proving "Sunday" is "the Lords day". That is why I asked you to provide the link. The OP is asking for scripture that proves that Sunday is "the Lords day". You have not provided any scripture proving Sunday is "the Lords day". The scriptures say that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day *MATTHEW 12:8. What scripture did you provide proving that Sunday or the first day of the week is the Lords day? - none. For me according to the scriptures, only Gods' Word is true *ROMANS 3:4 and we should believe and follow it *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29 and you or your friends have not provided any that proves that "the Lords day" is Sunday.Please review. I'm not going to explain it again, especially onto deaf ears.
Most of Christianity does not keep God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. They follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church in this regard. If you agree with me then what are you arguing about. Do you keep God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments as a Holy day of rest *EXODUS 20:8-11, if so how?I have repeatedly stated that God's commandments have not been abolished. So you're disagreeing about nothing. See what I mean? Deaf.
Sure there is. That is what this thread is about. There is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day. Yet this is what many religious teachers today are teaching. It is not biblical and is a traditions and teaching of men that JESUS warns us about in MATTHEW 15:3-9 not to follow.There is no such Sacred Tradition that breaks the Commandments or departs from His Word.
Deaf ears according to the scriptures are to those who hear God's Word and reject it as it is written in ISAIAH 6:9-10 and repeated by JESUS in MATTHEW 13:14-16 and Paul in ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 28:25-27. If only Gods' Word is shared and we do not believe it when they are God's Words, are we hearing with our ears and seeing with our eyes? It is those who reject God's Word who close their eyes and ears who do not see and do not hear according to the scriptures. There is only the written Word and the spoken Word of God through the Spirit. If the spoken words does not agree with the written Word of God it is because it is not from God.Just keep in mind, His Word is not limited to Sacred Scripture. Again, deaf ears.
Right here... EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13 and DEUTERONOMY 10:4. It is not the numbering that is the issue here, it is not providing all the content of what is written in the 10 commandments that is the issue. Talking about numbering is only a distraction. There are ten full commandments in the ten commandments and God's 4th commandment which is the seventh day of the week is one of them *EXODUS 20:8-11. Leaving out God's Word from the 10 commandments is the issue here.Where is there any numbering of the 10 Commandments in Scripture?
Leaving out the Word of God from God's 10 commandments is not sacred tradition.We number them this way because of Sacred Tradition. You renumbered them because of a man-made tradition.
There is only one legitimate authority and that is the Word of God according to the scriptures. That is the nature of being Protestant. If it is not God's Word according to the scripture or contradicts the written Word, then, we do not believe and follow it as only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29. JESUS says in his words in MATTHEW 15:3-9 if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not following God.The only problem with your logic is that it is not what the logic of legitimate authority shows to be true. But that's the nature of being a PROTESTant.
I'm going to stop wasting my time with you, brother.No, God did not make every day a Holy day according to the scriptures. According to the scriptures God only set aside, blessed and made the "seventh day" a "holy day of rest" for all mankind *GENESIS 2:1-3; MARK 2:27 and commands His people to keep it as a Holy day of rest in God's 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 of the ten commandments *EXODUS 20:1-17. According to the new covenant scriptures God's 10 commandments give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we knowingly break anyone of them according to JAMES 2:10-11 we stand guilty before God of sin. Those who knowingly practice sin according to scripture do not enter the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace *HEBREWS 10:26-31; ROMANS 6:23.
As posted earlier, there is no need as I know that what you claimed earlier was not true and there is no link to where you have provided scripture proving "Sunday" is "the Lords day". That is why I asked you to provide the link. The OP is asking for scripture that proves that Sunday is "the Lords day". You have not provided any scripture proving Sunday is "the Lords day". The scriptures say that Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day *MATTHEW 12:8. What scripture did you provide proving that Sunday or the first day of the week is the Lords day? - none. For me according to the scriptures, only Gods' Word is true *ROMANS 3:4 and we should believe and follow it *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29 and you or your friends have not provided any that proves that "the Lords day" is Sunday.
Most of Christianity does not keep God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. They follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church in this regard. If you agree with me then what are you arguing about. Do you keep God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments as a Holy day of rest *EXODUS 20:8-11, if so how?
Sure there is. That is what this thread is about. There is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day. Yet this is what many religious teachers today are teaching. It is not biblical and is a traditions and teaching of men that JESUS warns us about in MATTHEW 15:3-9 not to follow.
Deaf ears according to the scriptures are to those who hear God's Word and reject it as it is written in ISAIAH 6:9-10 and repeated by JESUS in MATTHEW 13:14-16 and Paul in ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 28:25-27. If only Gods' Word is shared and we do not believe it when they are God's Words, are we hearing with our ears and seeing with our eyes? It is those who reject God's Word who close their eyes and ears who do not see and do not hear according to the scriptures. There is only the written Word and the spoken Word of God through the Spirit. If the spoken words does not agree with the written Word of God it is because it is not from God.
Right here... EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13 and DEUTERONOMY 10:4. It is not the numbering that is the issue here, it is not providing all the content of what is written in the 10 commandments that is the issue. Talking about numbering is only a distraction. There are ten full commandments in the ten commandments and God's 4th commandment which is the seventh day of the week is one of them *EXODUS 20:8-11. Leaving out God's Word from the 10 commandments is the issue here.
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Leaving out the Word of God from God's 10 commandments is not sacred tradition.
There is only one legitimate authority and that is the Word of God according to the scriptures. That is the nature of being Protestant. If it is not God's Word according to the scripture or contradicts the written Word, then, we do not believe and follow it as only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29. JESUS says in his words in MATTHEW 15:3-9 if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not following God.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
I'm going to stop wasting my time with you, brother.
ALL of your accusations against the Catholic Church are false, thus you are breaking the commandment to not bear false witness. You should really try to understand before you go on to criticize.
It is your numbering system I am criticizing. And your understanding of what the commandments really say is not how the Church believes them to be understood.
From the Catholic Bible:
1 Then God spoke all these words:
2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3 You shall not have other gods beside me.
4You shall not make for yourself an idol or a likeness of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth;
5you shall not bow down before them or serve them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their ancestors’ wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation;
6 but showing love down to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7You shall not invoke the name of the LORD, your God, in vain. For the LORD will not leave unpunished anyone who invokes his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day—keep it holy.
9Six days you may labor and do all your work,
10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God. You shall not do any work, either you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your work animal, or the resident alien within your gates.
11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD has blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
12 Honor your father and your mother, that you may have a long life in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
13You shall not kill.
14You shall not commit adultery.
15You shall not steal.
16You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, his male or female slave, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Have you tried that link? If you look at it, it shows exactly what I pasted. Exodus 20:2-17 alongside Deuteronomy 5:6-21. So it is a lie to say that the Catholic church CHANGED the 10 Commandments. The truth is that the Reformationists changed the numbering. I was quibbling with your numbering, you're saying we changed the Bible...Actually, it was Reformationists who removed books because they didn't agree with the theology that was being presented.Hello dear friend,
I have only told you the truth. What is it you claim that I have shared with you that is not true? Why are you talking about Catholic bibles when I am talking about the Catholic Catechism? You are talking about things I am not talking about. Here you go. Here is a link that supports the pic in the previous post to the Vatican archives...
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Ten Commandments
Hope this is helpful
Have you tried that link? If you look at it, it shows exactly what I pasted. Exodus 20:2-17 alongside Deuteronomy 5:6-21. So it is a lie to say that the Catholic church CHANGED the 10 Commandments. The truth is that the Reformationists changed the numbering. I was quibbling with your numbering, you're saying we changed the Bible...Actually, it was Reformationists who removed books because they didn't agree with the theology that was being presented.
You didn't quote the Catechism, you showed an image. So that, alone is a misrepresentation-bearing false witness. If you want to cite the Catechism, READ IT! And provide a link. It is true that the Deuteronomy version doesn't print the entire thing, but it would be suggested that you go to the original, in the Bible. The Exodus version does quote everything.
One thing it does not say in either Exodus or Deuteronomy, it does not say we should worship God on the Sabbath. It does say we should not do any work. Also, when I asked you where the commandments are numbered, you provided that there are ten. But as to what is number 1,2, etc. is nowhere in Scripture.
You didn't quote the Catechism, you showed an image. So that, alone is a misrepresentation-bearing false witness. If you want to cite the Catechism, READ IT! And provide a link. It is true that the Deuteronomy version doesn't print the entire thing, but it would be suggested that you go to the original, in the Bible.
Y'all know about the Sabbath and The Law section, right? All Sabbatarian, all the time.
CLAIMS THAT PROTESTANTS DELETED BOOKS FROM THE BIBLE?
Protestants didn't delete any of the books from the bible. They just assigned a different status to some of the books. The Old Testament books they disagree with are called by Catholics deuterocanonical—the secondary canon—and by Protestants apocryphal, not part of the canon. To Catholics they're as theologically valid as anything else; to Protestants, they're supposedly valid for instruction and whatnot, but ‘inferior’ in authority to the primary canon. Yet many Bibles aimed at Protestant audiences include the apocrypha, so they're hardly deleted.
As for the criterion of discrimination: the ‘Old Testament’ is basically the Hebrew Bible, the Tanakh; but when Christians first developed an official canon, Jews didn't have one—the ‘official canon’ concept was kind of novel. When Jews did get around to settling on a canon, they considered roughly the same set of books, but accepted only ones written in Hebrew. The ‘Catholic’ canon also includes some scriptures from Jewish diaspora communities originally composed in other languages (generally or maybe universally Greek, the scholarly lingua franca of the Roman Empire). Protestants excluded the ‘Old Testament’ texts that weren't included by the Jews (so, disregarding compilation and translation choices, the standard Protestant OT is exactly the same material as the Tanakh).
So Protestants did not remove any books from the Bible at all. At the time of the Reformation, Protestants recognized as canonical books of the Bible the 39 Hebrew books recognized by the Jews and called by Christians the Old Testament, and the 27 Greek books universally accepted by Christians as the New Testament.
In dispute were 12 books or parts of books written in Greek and referred to by Protestants as the Apocrypha, because their origins were “hidden”, that is, unknown.
The fundamental difference is that the books of the Apocrypha is that there not in the Hebrew Bible. The books of the Apocrypha only exist in Greek; there are no Hebrew texts of these books. Obviously they do not belong to the Old Testament, but also, neither do they belong to the New Testament.
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Your welcome percador, thanks also for contributing to this thread.Very informative! Thanks.
No sir. It says "As commonly printed in Roman Catholic Catechisms. The problem is, the link you provided is to the one Catechism of the Catholic Church, which shows the entirety of Exodus 20:2-18, and the beginning of each commandment from Deuteronomy. You may not have noticed the '...'Not really dear friend, look at the picture I have provided it says "CATECHISM". That is what I was talking about and that is what was quoted. Why are you pretending I am talking about things I am not talking about?