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WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Aug 12, 2020.

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  1. Root of Jesse

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    Where have I ever said anything such as "Saturday is not the Sabbath"? We acknowledge Saturday as the Sabbath that God rested in Genesis, and told the Hebrews they should rest as well. We keep the Sabbath by resting as God rested. We worship Jesus on Sunday.
    I think it's amazing that you have to go back almost 200 years to find this one cardinal, who by himself is not authoritative, to try to make your point. But he never says we shouldn't worship Jesus on Sunday.
     
  2. Root of Jesse

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    Not perfectly. But since I am retired, it makes it pretty simple to do so.
     
  3. Root of Jesse

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    To you, who reject the whole faith, maybe. To me, who accept the entire sacramental economy, it is.
    Quite honestly, we can only suppose who wrote any book of the Bible. But they do fit into the old Testament, because the New Testament started with the birth of Christ.
    It matters because you said that Catholics have somehow changed the 10 Commandments. I have proven that Catholics have not done so.
    That's not what history records. What history records is that human beings thought they knew better than Christ's institutional church. Humans were impatient because of perceived apostasy, which was not apostasy because the issues in question were not teachings of the Church, or changes in the teaching of the Church. Those humans were upset with something that was happening locally that wasn't done with the blessing of the legitimate authority of the Pope in Rome.
    Well, I have never made a graven image. But what is a graven image? Webster tells us "an object of worship carved usually from wood or stone; idol". So it is an object of worship. So, if we don't worship an image, it is not a 'graven image'. The next part goes on to explain that we should not bow down to any idol or serve them. I cannot speak for other Catholics, but I can say that the Church doesn't tell us to worship any image. The statues in a Church or in many peoples' homes are not idols or graven images. A graven image is an object of worship. Those statues are worship aides. They represent the person of whose likeness they are. So a statue of Mary or St. Francis of Assisi is a reminder of who they are and what they did in Salvation History, and that is what we honor, not the statue itself.
    Praying to Mary is what's known as intercessory prayer. Praying to the saints, ditto. But the saints are not dead, friend. There is no such thing as a dead saint. Only their bodies are dead.
    If you want to go into other topics, other than the OP, start another thread, and link me. Again, we don't hold only the Bible as the Word of God. And we trust Christ when he told the apostles that he would send the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in all truth. ALL TRUTH.
     
  4. pescador

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    What is "Christ's institutional church"? There is no mention of any such thing in the Bible.
     
  5. Root of Jesse

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    You must be forgetting where Christ told Peter "Upon this rock I will build my church." Matthew 16:18. This was His first mention of "church", therefore where he instituted it. He also prayed in John 17 that His church might be one as Jesus and the Father were one.
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi Jesse,

    Thanks for addressing this question. If you keep Gods seventh day Sabbath commandment from the 10 commandments then we have no argument. As posted earlier, your one of the very few people from any Sunday keeping Church's that I know that does so and not making up excuses not to if what you say is true. May I ask you why you practice Sabbath keeping when the Roman Catholic Church and other non Sabbath keeping Church's teach the Sabbath is replaced by Sunday keeping and if your Church teaches that the Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments is replaced now by Sunday why do you keep the Sabbath? Aren't you better off worshiping with those of like faith?

    Thanks for sharing your view.
     
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  7. Root of Jesse

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    I don't think the Church has replaced the Sabbath, at all. I have told you several times that we have not, regardless of what some Cardinal in the 19th century has to say. The Church worship's CHRIST on Sunday as an obligatory commitment. We worship Christ every day as an additional devotion. We also revere Saints on the calendar as additional devotions.
    The Catholic Church never says in it's teaching documents that the Sabbath has been replaced. It is just not obligatory to Christians.
    The Lord’s Day Replaced the Sabbath
     
  8. pescador

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    Everyone knows that Jesus said "Upon this rock I will build my church." He did NOT say I will found the Catholic church (which is just a denomination). In fact there is no mention anywhere in Scripture of "Catholic", "Pope", or "Cardinal". The Church is Christ's body of believers, it is not some formal institution.
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    It seems you disagree with the teachings of your own Church....

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    Catechism of the Catholic Church
    Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment

    SECTION TWO
    THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

    CHAPTER ONE
    "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"

    ARTICLE 3

    THE THIRD COMMANDMENT

    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work.90

    The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.91

    * I. THE SABBATH DAY

    2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD."92

    2169 In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."93

    2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord's day a memorial of Israel's liberation from bondage in Egypt: "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."94

    2171 God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.95 The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.

    2172 God's action is the model for human action. If God "rested and was refreshed" on the seventh day, man too ought to "rest" and should let others, especially the poor, "be refreshed."96 The sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.97

    2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."99 With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 "The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath."102

    II. THE LORD'S DAY

    This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.103

    The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

    2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

    We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106

    SUNDAY - FULFILLMENT OF THE SABBATH

    2175 SUNDAY IS EXPRESSLY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE SABBATH WHICH IT FOLLOWS CHRONOLOGICALLY EVERY WEEK; FOR CHRISTIANS ITS CEREMONIAL OBSERVANCE REPLACES THAT OF THE SABBATH. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107

    Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, NO LONGER KEEPING THE SABBATH, BUT THE LORD'S DAY, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108

    2176 THE CELEBRATION OF SUNDAY OBSERVES THE MORAL COMMANDMENT INSCRIBED BY NATURE IN THE HUMAN HEART TO RENDER TO GOD AN OUTWARD, VISIBLE, PUBLIC, AND REGULAR WORSHIP "AS A SIGN OF HIS UNIVERSAL BENEFICENCE TO ALL."109 SUNDAY WORSHIP FULFILLS THE MORAL COMMAND OF THE OLD COVENANT, TAKING UP ITS RHYTHM AND SPIRIT IN THE WEEKLY CELEBRATION OF THE CREATOR AND REDEEMER OF HIS PEOPLE.

    The Sunday Eucharist

    2177 The Sunday celebration of the Lord's Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church's life. "Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the FOREMOST HOLY DAY OF OBLIGATION IN THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH."110……

    A DAY OF GRACE AND REST FROM WORK

    2184 JUST AS GOD "RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH HE HAD DONE,"121 HUMAN LIFE HAS A RHYTHM OF WORK AND REST. THE INSTITUTION OF THE LORD'S DAY HELPS EVERYONE ENJOY ADEQUATE REST AND LEISURE TO CULTIVATE THEIR FAMILIAL, CULTURAL, SOCIAL, AND RELIGIOUS LIVES.122

    2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation (note this is not a reference to the Sabbath see next post for the Catholic definition of holy days of obligation), the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.123 Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.

    The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.124

    2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.

    2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

    2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."125

    IN BRIEF

    2189 "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).

    2190 THE SABBATH, WHICH REPRESENTED THE COMPLETION OF THE FIRST CREATION, HAS BEEN REPLACED BY SUNDAY WHICH RECALLS THE NEW CREATION INAUGURATED BY THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST.

    2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ's Resurrection on the "eighth day," Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord's Day (cf. SC 106).

    2192 "SUNDAY . . . IS TO BE OBSERVED AS THE FOREMOST HOLY DAY OF OBLIGATION (see next post on the definition of what that Holy days of obligation are) IN THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH" (CIC, can. 1246 § 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

    2193 "ON SUNDAYS AND OTHER HOLY DAYS OF OBLIGATION (see next post on the definition of what that Holy days of obligation are) THE FAITHFUL ARE BOUND . . . TO ABSTAIN FROM THOSE LABORS AND BUSINESS CONCERNS WHICH IMPEDE THE WORSHIP TO BE RENDERED TO GOD, THE JOY WHICH IS PROPER TO THE LORD'S DAY, OR THE PROPER RELAXATION OF MIND AND BODY" (CIC, can. 1247).

    2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their amilial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 § 3).

    2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day.

    90 Ex 20:8-10; cf. Deut 5:12-15.
    91 Mk 2:27-28.
    92 Ex 31:15.
    93 Ex 20:11.
    94 Deut 5:15.
    95 Cf. Ex 31:16.
    96 Ex 31:17; cf. 23:12.
    97 Cf. Neh 13:15-22; 2 Chr 36:21.
    98 Cf. Mk 1:21; Jn 9:16.
    99 Mk 2:27.
    100 Cf. Mk 3:4.
    101 Cf. Mt 12:5; Jn 7:23.
    102 Mk 2:28.
    103 Ps 118:24.
    104 Cf. Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1.
    105 Cf. Mk 16:1; Mt 28:1.
    106 St. Justin, I Apol. 67G 6,429 and 432.
    107 Cf. 1 Cor 10:11.
    108 St. Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Magn. 9,1:SCh 10,88.
    109 St. Thomas Aquinas, STh II-II,122,4.
    110 CIC, can. 1246 § 1.
    111 CIC, can. 1246 § 2: "The conference of bishops can abolish certain holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday with prior approval of the Apostolic See."
    112 Cf. Acts 2:42-46; 1 Cor 11:17.
    113 Heb 10:25.
    114 Sermo de die dominica 2 et 6G 86/1,416C and 421C.
    115 CIC, can. 515 § 1.
    116 St. John Chrysostom, De incomprehensibili 3,6G 48,725.
    117 CIC, can. 1247.
    118 CIC, can. 1248 § 1.
    119 Cf. CIC, can. 1245.
    120 CIC, can. 1248 § 2.
    121 Gen 2:2.
    122 Cf. GS 67 § 3.
    123 Cf. CIC, can. 120.
    124 St. Augustine, De civ. Dei 19,19L 41,647.
    125 Heb 12:22-23.

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    Seems like a bit of a dilemma here as it seems you are disagreeing with your Church's teachings Jesse?
     
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  10. LoveGodsWord

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    WHAT ARE THE HOLY DAYS OF OBLIGATION BEING REFERRED TO IN THE PREVIOUS POST FROM THE CATHOLIC CATECHISM?

    It is not the Sabbath commandment...

    From CATHOLIC ANSWERS

    What Are the Holy Days of Obligation?

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains holy days of obligation this way:

    On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord’s Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.

    Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest.

    The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health [CCC 2185].

    The Code of Canon Law spells out when the holy days of obligation are on the Church’s universal calendar:

    Can. 1246 §1. Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. The following days must also be observed:
    • the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    • the Epiphany,
    • the Ascension,
    • the Body and Blood of Christ,
    • Holy Mary the Mother of God,
    • her Immaculate Conception,
    • her Assumption,
    • Saint Joseph,
    • Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles,
    • and All Saints.
    These ten are the exact holy days of obligation that are celebrated in Vatican City, but there is variation elsewhere (including in Italy). The reason is that the Code of Canon Law goes on to state:

    Can. 1246 §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.

    Thus different countries celebrate different holy days of obligation (apart from Sunday, which they all celebrate).

    The country with the fewest number of holy days of obligation seems to Hong Kong, which has only one: Christmas.

    Canada has two: Christmas and Mary, Mother of God.

    The United States, by contrast, has a fairly robust eight holy days of obligation, though two to three have been transferred to Sundays (depending on where you live).

    The details of how the holy days in the U.S. have evolved are found here.

    The details can be a little bewildering though, so here is a complete, up-to-date list of the holy days of obligation in the United States:
    • Mary, Mother of God (always celebrated January 1, but if this occurs on a Saturday or a Monday there is no obligation to go to Mass)
    • Epiphany (this has been permanently translated to the first Sunday after January 1)
    • Ascension (this is celebrated on different days depending on which ecclesiastical province you live in; a few provinces celebrate it on the traditional date, which is the Thursday of the sixth week of Easter, but most provinces in the U.S. have transferred it to the seventh Sunday of Easter.)
    • The Body and Blood of Christ (this has been permanently translated to the second Sunday after Pentecost)
    • Assumption of Mary (always celebrated August 15, but if this occurs on a Saturday or a Monday there is no obligation to go to Mass)
    • All Saints (always celebrated November 1, but if this occurs on a Saturday or a Monday there is no obligation to go to Mass)
    • Immaculate Conception of Mary (always celebrated December 8)
    • Christmas (always celebrated December 25)
    There is one other wrinkle to the holy days of obligation in the United States: the state of Hawaii.

    Hawaii is part of the United States, but it is located in a part of the world where most of the surrounding dioceses belong to the Conference of Bishops of the South Pacific (CEPAC).

    As a result, there is a special indult for Hawaii to regulate its liturgical days in accord with the surrounding dioceses. Therefore, since 1992, Hawaii has only had two holy days of obligation (besides Sundays), which are the Immaculate Concept (Dec. 8) and Christmas (Dec. 25).

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    As shown above the days "Holy days of obligation" from the Catholic Catechism have nothing to do with biblical Holy days from scripture. Something to pray about.

    Hope this is helpful
     
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    I could have posted much more. I probably have hundreds of quotes on file for this subject; but I didn't want to hog up a ton of bandwidth to make this simple point.
     
  12. LoveGodsWord

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    Yep there is a lot of info out there that can be posted. Thanks for your earlier post. It was very helpful HARK!
     
  13. LoveofTruth

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    Your interpretation is not right.

    When Paul uses the depression “the ministration is of death”, he is not speaking of the specific death penalties under the law. He is speaking specifically of the Ten Commandments in 2 Cor 3:7, when he says the ministration of death “written and engraved in stones”. These “stones” refer to the Ten Commandments (which include the sabbath”. This is so clear to the unbiased spiritual reader.

    2 Corinthians 3:7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:”

    notice he also says it “was” (past tense) glorious. He doesn’t say it still is. In fact he speaks of a more glorious ministration now in the spirit.

    Also the ministration Of death is referred to the law that will expose sin. The wages of sin is death and by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    paul said

    Romans 7:10. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.11. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.12. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.13. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.”

    so we see that sin was shown to be sin by the law And so I through the law and dead to the law as Paul said .

    consider

    Romans 3:20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”

    Romans 7:4. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”

    1 Timothy 1:5. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:6. From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;7. Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.8. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;9. Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,”

    Galatians 3:13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

    And consider your correction by aPaul’s words in Christ here;

    2 Corinthians 3:6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:13. And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.15. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
     
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    Sure it was right. Take some time and read what you were quoting from dear friend. If you did you would not have written what you did just now as you were provided the scripture contexts, the Greek word meanings, the application to other scripture using the same Greek words and further scripture proving that God's 10 commandments are not abolished showing that the application to 2 CORINTHIANS 3 was to the two covenants and the ministration of death and the letter the killeth that is abolished through the new ministration of faith and the Spirit under the new covenant. Please read what you are quoting from before replying dear friend. There is no where in the bible that says God's 10 commandments are abolished. That is a false teaching. What do you think 1 JOHN 2:3-4 means and MATTHEW 5:17-19? The new covenant scriptures state that the purpose of God's 10 commandments is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11; GALATIANS 3:22-25 and made free to walk in His Spirit *ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

    May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
     
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  15. pescador

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    I am SO HAPPY that I am not a Catholic!
     
  16. Root of Jesse

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    I n ever mentioned a denomination, and the Catholic Church is not a denomination. But there is mention of "Catholic" in Scripture. Christ instituted one Church (hence my use of the word institution), which would be universal, and therefore catholic. We also believe that Christ's prayer for unity was fulfilled and is fulfilled. We are all members of the Catholic Church, all trinitarian baptized Christians. How we respond to that call is our denomination. Also note that there is no mention of a Bible, the Trinity, and denominationalism in Scripture. But please follow here: We do not believe the Bible is the only Word of God.
     
  17. Root of Jesse

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    I don't see where that says anything about our Sunday worship replacing the Sabbath. 2175 explicitly states "SUNDAY IS EXPRESSLY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE SABBATH WHICH IT FOLLOWS CHRONOLOGICALLY EVERY WEEK; FOR CHRISTIANS ITS CEREMONIAL OBSERVANCE REPLACES THAT OF THE SABBATH." This only speaks of the ceremonial obsevance, worship. The commandment does not say we must worship on the Sabbath, it says we must keep it holy by not doing servile labor, and not requiring others to do so either.
     
  18. Root of Jesse

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    What is your beef? That we honor days such as the birth and death of Christ?
     
  19. Root of Jesse

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    None of which come from any authoritative source, I would wager....
     
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    To the bolded, we completely agree with you. But you have not shown how the Catholic Church has abolished any.
     
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