Christian Democrats?

[Speedwell]

That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be discussed. It would be the same thing as one of your family members pointing a gun at you and threatening to kill you just simply because they didn't want you around anymore. At least in my book. It's murder plain and simple.

What you would need is a law requiring a death certificate be issued for every zygote which fails to implant, and if the cause of that failure is unclear, a coroner's inquest.

 

[Allandavid]

Not sexually molesting women
Not treating people based on race
Not murdering babies

Those 3 would be at the top of my list!

Also, you mean denomination. A sect is a cult, something that falls outside of Christianity but may have a simialr apprence to it.

I’ve actually edited that post since you replied...just a heads up.

And I was using “sect” something like this...

“A sect is a subgroup of a religious, political, or philosophical belief system, usually an offshoot of a larger group.”

 

[Allandavid]

That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be discussed. It would be the same thing as one of your family members pointing a gun at you and threatening to kill you just simply because they didn't want you around anymore. At least in my book. It's murder plain and simple.

Fortunately, somewhere around 65% of your fellow citizens, not to mention your lawmakers, disagree with you...

 

[coffee4u]

I’ve actually edited that post since you replied...just a heads up.

And I was using “sect” something like this...

“A sect is a subgroup of a religious, political, or philosophical belief system, usually an offshoot of a larger group.”

Yes, but that is not how those of who are Christian use the word. Denomination is a perfectly good word and it means a recognized Christian church, but obviously between them there are differences. A sect would be something like Jehaviour Witnesses. But this is getting off the theme of this thread.

 

[April_Rose]

Fortunately, somewhere around 65% of your fellow citizens, not to mention your lawmakers, disagree with you...

You know chances are your parents had a right to abort you as well but yet they kept you alive,.. you should treasure it and consider it a gift as having a chance at life is far too often taken for granted.

 

[Allandavid]

Yes, but that is not how those of who are Christian use the word.

But you don’t have sole ownership of the language.

Denomination is a perfectly good word and it means a recognized Christian church, but obviously between them there are differences. A sect would be something like Jehaviour Witnesses. But this is getting off the theme of this thread.

Ummm...I presume you mean Jehovah’s Witnesses..? I’d be careful with that statement. It suggests that they aren’t a “recognised Christian church”. This site has rules about making judgements like that...

Yes, back to the topic of principles...

All of those 3 of yours are either approved by various Christian sects, or are purportedly approved by your god...

 

[Allandavid]

You know chances are your parents had a right to abort you as well but yet they kept you alive,.. you should treasure it and consider it a gift as having a chance at life is far too often taken for granted.

Bit of a non argument. If my mother had aborted, there’d be no such thing as ‘me’ in the first place.

 

[April_Rose]

Bit of a non argument. If my mother had aborted, there’d be no such thing as ‘me’ in the first place.

Yes and aren't you grateful for your life? The only way I could see an abortion taking place is if the mother and child were both going to die anyways and there would be no way of saving the child but there was a chance of saving the mother. If the roles were reversed however,.. any deserving mother would put her child before herself.

 

[Allandavid]

Yes and aren't you grateful for your life? The only way I could see an abortion taking place is if the mother and child were both going to die anyways and there would be no way of saving the child but there was a chance of saving the mother. If the roles were reversed however,.. any deserving mother would put her child before herself.

Yes, I’m glad I am experiencing life. But, had my mother chosen an abortion, I wouldn’t now be sitting.....somewhere?...feeling sorry for myself, or blaming her in some way. It’s a bit like a woman who decides to have no more children. Should she feel guilty over those ‘potential children’ that never came to fruition...?

 

[Darkhorse]

Ummm...I presume you mean Jehovah’s Witnesses..? I’d be careful with that statement. It suggests that they aren’t a “recognised Christian church”. This site has rules about making judgements like that...

The CF rules define certain religious groups (Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and others) as "non-Christian", since they do not adhere to the Nicene Creed. So it's perfectly OK to call such groups "non-Christian" here.

 

[April_Rose]

Yes, I’m glad I am experiencing life. But, had my mother chosen an abortion, I wouldn’t now be sitting.....somewhere?...feeling sorry for myself, or blaming her in some way. It’s a bit like a woman who decides to have no more children. Should she feel guilty over those ‘potential children’ that never came to fruition...?

No,.. because at least she didn't kill them.

 

[coffee4u]

But you don’t have sole ownership of the language.

No we don't, but its the word those of us who are part of that religion use.

Ummm...I presume you mean Jehovah’s Witnesses..? I’d be careful with that statement. It suggests that they aren’t a “recognised Christian church”. This site has rules about making judgements like that...

I do
and no they are not a recognized Christian church.
The main tenet of the Christian faith is the Jesus is God, any church that does not recognize that is a sect. This is not my opinion, that is how it is.

Yes, back to the topic of principles...

All of those 3 of yours are either approved by various Christian sects, or are purportedly approved by your god...

None of those are approved by God.
I don't control what other denominations or sects choose to believe, that is on them.

The CF rules define certain religious groups (Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and others) as "non-Christian", since they do not adhere to the Nicene Creed. So it's perfectly OK to call such groups "non-Christian" here.

Thank you.

I hadn't checked but that is what I had assumed the rules would say.
I used the JW's as they are one of the most well-known sect. Which is why I said in the first post that a sect has an appearance of Christianity but actually isn't Christianity while a denomination is a recognized church.

 

[Allandavid]

No we don't, but its the word those of us who are part of that religion use.




I do
and no they are not a recognized Christian church.
The main tenet of the Christian faith is the Jesus is God, any church that does not recognize that is a sect. This is not my opinion, that is how it is.





None of those are approved by God.
I don't control what other denominations or sects choose to believe, that is on them.


Thank you.

I hadn't checked but that is what I had assumed the rules would say.
I used the JW's as they are one of the most well-known sect. Which is why I said in the first post that a sect has an appearance of Christianity but actually isn't Christianity while a denomination is a recognized church.

I stand corrected about CF’s attitude about who is and isn’t a Christian...no more from me about that though...I get into enough trouble already when I discuss CF rules....
However, please be aware that, when I use the word ‘sect’ in this setting, I am referring to a ‘section’ (the two words have the same root) or a subgroup, or a subset. In that regard, all Christian churches are subgroups, or ‘sects’, of the original Rome-based religion. The Eastern Church is therefore a sect of the original, as are all of the Protestant churches. I see it simply as descriptive, rather than any slur...

 

[Allandavid]

No,.. because at least she didn't kill them.

But she ‘denied’ them a life, didn’t she...? So what’s the difference?

Look, I was the firstborn in my family. If my mother had made the decision as a young woman to have no children, there would be no ‘me’. If she had decided to terminate her first pregnancy, there would still have been no ‘me’. In effect, what’s the difference...?

 

[April_Rose]

But she ‘denied’ them a life, didn’t she...? So what’s the difference?

Look, I was the firstborn in my family. If my mother had made the decision as a young woman to have no children, there would be no ‘me’. If she had decided to terminate her first pregnancy, there would still have been no ‘me’. In effect, what’s the difference...?

In one instance you would exist but she would kill you, and in the other one you would never exist at all. I don't know how to explain it better than that.

 

[Allandavid]

In one instance you would exist but she would kill you, and in the other one you would never exist at all. I don't know how to explain it better than that.

No, ‘I’ wouldn’t have existed. A group of cells would have existed for a short time. The concept of an ‘I’ would not, did not, occur until I was born. Remember my question was ...what in effect is the difference? I would argue that an ovum that is never fertilised, or one that is fertilised and then terminated, the effect is exactly the same....ie, ‘I’ never existed...

 

[coffee4u]

I stand corrected about CF’s attitude about who is and isn’t a Christian...no more from me about that though...I get into enough trouble already when I discuss CF rules....
However, please be aware that, when I use the word ‘sect’ in this setting, I am referring to a ‘section’ (the two words have the same root) or a subgroup, or a subset. In that regard, all Christian churches are subgroups, or ‘sects’, of the original Rome-based religion. The Eastern Church is therefore a sect of the original, as are all of the Protestant churches. I see it simply as descriptive, rather than any slur...

Well you certainly can, and sect can mean section, but don't be surprised when people think you mean a cult.

 

[Andrewn]

Electing Trump will not make make abortion illegal. So, I'll shift gears, here. I have a serious question.

Obama was a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood. Do we know about Biden's relationship with political Islamists?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be discussed. It would be the same thing as one of your family members pointing a gun at you and threatening to kill you just simply because they didn't want you around anymore. At least in my book. It's murder plain and simple.

I didn't say it shouldn't be discussed and your analogy is way off.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Show me ONE person, from ANY religion, who completely adopts EVERY tenet of that religion’s doctrine...

How about the Pope and really there are many Catholics and Protestants.